Outright Heresy.

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  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

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  2. Torrentum

    Torrentum Guest

    Who will join me in praying a rosary-a-day for the entirety of the Synod?
    Much prayer needed.
    Much.
     
  3. Denise P

    Denise P Archangels

    I received an e-mail from a friend (since deleted) where you can sign up to adopt a Synod participant to pray for. I was given Ruben Gomez of Bolivia. Google "Adopt a Synod Father".
     
  4. Harper

    Harper Guest

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    Father's Day a few years back in a local parish, at the altar. Echoes of Cardinal Kasper.
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Perhaps some of them need adopted by an exorcist?
     
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

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    SEVENTH APPARITION - 2/7/46


    The Lady showed an wolf with sheep head which had two horns, an image which stood for heretical clergy , just like an wolf disguised in sheep clothing, they shall lead many faithful astray. The loss of Faith shall be most severe in Europe: " Europe must be on her guard, warn the peoples of Europe."

    The Lady said: " Be on guard, Europe... the East against the West." She held out three fingers and then five indicating the great war which would occur in Europe with the Eastern countries such as Russia and Muslims attacking Western European nations. And this World War III shall last 35 years.

    http://ourlady3.tripod.com/LadyofNations.htm

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  7. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Most people on the forum I would gather predict a short sharp chastisement. Maybe 3-7 years. I wonder if it may not be a slow grueling one that is decades long as this prophecy seems to indicate. We must wait and see. Then again maybe it has already begun.
     
  8. Sorry Padraig, I know this is serious but I laughed out loud when I read your comment!
     
  9. I will do my best in joining you Torrentum.
     
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  10. miker

    miker Powers

    I will. Thanks for the invitation to pray.
     
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  11. Advocate

    Advocate Angels

    Yes, I had thought about the Chaplet of The Holy Spirit, seems appropriate, I will join you.
     
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  12. Joe Crozier

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    This brought to mind a word that I did not understand well; concupiscence. ( I think thats how its spelled) The Catholic Catechism teaches us it is not sin in itself but is the tinder for sin and does no harm to those who do not consent to its drive. I see now how Protestant and Catholic teachings on this differ and how it relates to original sin. Baptism enables us to benefit from the redemptive sacrifice of Christ. Just because we are born with a fallen nature it does not mean we have to be prey to it. I had a neighbour, long dead now, whose youngest daughter seemed masculine from the start. Even as a wee girl she walked like a man and spoke in a deep gruff voice. She tried marriage but that did not last a year. She then became a very politically active lesbian. Who knows what happened. She was loved well as a child and brought up in the Catholic faith. Whatever happened she was still redeemed from the effects of original sin and then made her choices as an adult. I don't judge her far less condemn her but if Cardinal Kasper is saying that concupiscence is sin in itself and cannot be changed, then, as you say, he is a heretic. We all have a tendency to sin but we are not born murderers or liars or adulterers or thieves etc. These tendencies are either neglected or encouraged by those in whose charge our formation resides and those by whose power we allow ourselves to be seduced. At certain periods in our lives we are more vulnerable but we are nearly always able to ask "lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil." There is always a moment when we can choose either to look away or take a second look. That's all it takes to fall into mortal sin. Terryfying but true. We lose sight of the reward of eternal life that we are about to lose. We do not stay awake to this promise of gain or loss and we fall into the sleep of death. I may be wrong but I think I can hear Cardinal Kasper snoring. I hope someone can break his fall. And what a fall that will be. Its interesting that homosexually inclined Catholics are now calling for all Catholics to be reminded that sex is forbidden to all who are not married, not just them. So often we hear well intentioned people, including Catholics, saying of homosexuals "how hard it is for them....surely they deserve some relief...they cant help how they are...they don't have a choice" this is the heresy of Kasper. We dont make the rules. It is God's choice what rules apply to salvation. None of us has this choice. But we are free to reject or accept these rules. Satan decided it was better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven. He cannot exist by himself in this choice and so tries to drag others down with him to hell. It's hard for everyone but its our choice. Even the most desperate of addicts is graced with a moment of clarity. Their salvation or damnation can depend on how they respond in that moment. The Father saw the priodigal son while he was still at a great distance...he saw the movement of his heart and that was all it took for him to be saved and welcomed back with open arms. That is why we have to pray for poor sinners who have no one to pray for them. Otherwise they have no chance. Sometimes they reach the stage when they are so damaged they cannot pray for themselves. They have gone too far and only our prayers can form a bridge across the gulf they have created. Sorry for going on so long and I hope I am not wrong in my thinking. Please correct any errors I may have made and if what I have said is heresy I ask Padraig to delete this post. Perhaps I should not comment on things that I am not clear on.
     
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  13. Mac

    Mac "To Jesus, through Mary"

    Joe said...''That is why we have to pray for poor sinners who have no one to pray for them. Otherwise they have no chance. Sometimes they reach the stage when they are so damaged they cannot pray for themselves. They have gone too far and only our prayers can form a bridge across the gulf they have created.''
    Exactly Joe.(y)
     
  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There is an extraordinary Gospel at mass today given that the Synod just started. This can't be an accident.


    Gospel Mk 10:2-16
    The Pharisees approached Jesus and asked,
    "Is it lawful for a husband to divorce his wife?"
    They were testing him.
    He said to them in reply, "What did Moses command you?"
    They replied,
    "Moses permitted a husband to write a bill of divorce
    and dismiss her."
    But Jesus told them,
    "Because of the hardness of your hearts
    he wrote you this commandment.
    But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female.
    For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother
    and be joined to his wife,
    and the two shall become one flesh.
    So they are no longer two but one flesh.
    Therefore what God has joined together,
    no human being must separate."
    In the house the disciples again questioned Jesus about this.
    He said to them,
    "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another
    commits adultery against her;
    and if she divorces her husband and marries another,
    she commits adultery."

    And people were bringing children to him that he might touch them,
    but the disciples rebuked them.
    When Jesus saw this he became indignant and said to them,
    "Let the children come to me;
    do not prevent them, for the kingdom of God belongs to
    such as these.
    Amen, I say to you,
    whoever does not accept the kingdom of God like a child
    will not enter it."
    Then he embraced them and blessed them,
    placing his hands on them.

    The priest as mass in his homily made me uneasy by referring to marriage as an, 'Ideal'. Yet I could not think of anything wrong with what he was saying as I had never heard anyone refer to marriage as an, 'Ideal'.


    What then could be wrong with this? Then the thought came to me to ask if the ten commandments were , 'Ideals' to which we shoudl strive? No of course they were not. They are laws. You either keep them or you do not. We no not strive to not commit murder, or steal or worship faults as an, ''Ideal' but as a law.

    Jesus said Moses allowed divorce, 'Because you are so unteachable'. It seems to me that those who describe marriage as an, 'Ideal' are just that, unteachable. Hard of heart.

    We are in for very,very, heavy weather at this Synod, God help us.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/03/catholic-bishops-rome-synod-family

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  15. Joe Crozier

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    Of course it is no accident. Like every other Catholic Pope Francis knew what the readings would be on the start day. They should reassure doubters and detractors. Funny enough I had the same wary reaction to our priest too even though he said nothing wrong. The radar is finely tuned.
     
  16. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    We are headed for a synod showdown!!!

     
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  17. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I just wish the Pope would kick some butt!!!



    Get three coffins ready! One of the all time great lines in the Western genre;)

    I loved the part in the film, 'The Outlaw Josey Wales', were the old Indian says,

    ' I have noticed that. folks who don't get on with have a habit of winding up dead, Josey'.:D:D

     
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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Notice how Jesus describes those who support divorce as , 'Hard hearted',. I am tempted to write, 'But who is He to judge?' But well if He can't judge.?:)
     
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  19. Malachi

    Malachi Powers

    Ideal...
    Seems to be the word of the day. I went to mass last night back home in my parents in Belfast. This is precisely the term the priestused. I have interpreted it more benignly though as meaning this is the archetype, this is how it ought to be.
     
  20. Aloysius

    Concupiscence is an effect of original sin, in that we are "damaged goods". The Apostle tells us in Romans 7:

    . . . but I see in my members another principle at war with the law of my mind, taking me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Miserable one that I am! Who will deliver me from this mortal body? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Therefore, I myself, with my mind, serve the law of God but, with my flesh, the law of sin

    The Apostle also tells us that "where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more". For this reason we say in the Easter Vigil Liturgy in the Latin Rite - "Oh, Happy Fault". Yes, Adam sinned and we inherit that disorder but Christ, the new Adam, has saved us and raised us to a higher state than the prior one. Through Christ we are now not only sons of Adam but also sons of God and have an eternal inheritance.

    However, the effects of the disorder remain so that we might "work out our salvation in fear and trembling". Food is good but when it is to disordered it can cause harm and gluttony. So, we fast and give up a good for a greater good for a time, namely denial of the carnal appetites in order to aspire to the heavenly appetites. Sex is a gift from God within the bounds of holy matrimony. Sex outside of marriage is disordered and adulterous. Gay sex is an abomination (and a desolating abomination when rampant within the holy priesthood). When we have reached the point that we call good evil and evil good we have lost our conscious and it is in those times historically that God in his mercy corrects that conscious but allowing an evil (war, plague, persecution etc) so that a greater good may come of it, namely repentance and a metanoia and salvation.

    The word that you be looking for is propensity, meaning that we all certain have inclinations. These are not sins but we have them so that they may be overcome in grace and prayer and become what God has called us to be - great saints.
     
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