= Reading the Wiki piece didn't exactly fill me with confidence, for example the sentence about him saying that Mozart was both a Freemason and fully Catholic and the reference to him over-ruling the local priest by reinstating on the pastoral council a man who was living in a registered same sex union. A Google search threw up some rather disturbing results, not least the blessing of homosexual couples on St. Valentine's day in the Cathedral in Vienna. I also came across this interview on YouTube: He comes across as gentle, devout, self-effacing and spiritual. He is also very polished (wasn't exactly born in a stable). Astute and very diplomatic, proficient in a number of languages, I can see why he would be chosen to present the exhortation, especially if it contains something controversial like changing the 2000 year old Church practice of not giving the Eucharist to people in adulterous or homosexual unions.
First of all, thank you for this video. I have yet to watch it but I have never heard Cardinal Schonborn speak in English before and an interview of him with Nicky Gumbel is potentially a bit of a treat for me! Nicky Gumbel, although not a Catholic, has brought countless numbers to Christ. I sense, Dolours, a fear in your posts. A fear of losing something which is important to you. You are looking in everything for signs that what is about to happen will challenge some of your long held beliefs. But in doing that you are preventing yourself hearing and listening to the Holy Spirit which guides you and guides the Church. You are listening to all the negative views swirling round the internet which are fanned by the devil himself. Trust the Church in its guidance through the Holy Father. Jesus set up the Church and you will be safe if you follow Her. You will not be safe if you choose to follow those who think they know better than the Pope.
Two different points of view here... I suggest that we really should wait until the release of the document rather than following the internet speculations which have proliferated over recent months on sites whose editorial line is far from neutral towards Pope Francis. Expressing legitimate concerns is one thing, but being enticed by what the Pope called the 'hermeneutic of conspiracy' is another...and not free from danger, as I tried to point out here: http://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/pope-francis-hermeneutic-conspiracy-and-‘three-f’s’
Yeah. Uh huh. http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2016/04/how-to-read-exhortation-of-desolation.html
There is a fear, David, a fear that the Princes of our Church are copying St. Paul's approach of being all things to all people while playing down the requirement to hold fast to the truth even in the face of death. Jesus didn't mince his words when answering the gotcha question on divorce. What I'm reading from Catholics prepping for defending an anticipated relaxing of Church rules on the Eucharist is very troubling. When Catholics are being softened up for an apostolic exhortation with stuff like Jesus was addressing a particular set of people in a particular moment in time but things are different now, I start wondering whether this is what St. Paul meant when he warned us against accepting a different Gospel even if it were preached by an angel from Heaven. The main difference between then and now is that our bishops live in palaces and the Pope is head of a city state. Church teaching on sodomy and adultery was a hard sell then as now (granted, even the Romans didn't go as far as calling sodomy marriage, but it was common enough as was divorce and remarriage). Here's a treat for you since you're a fan of Mr. Gumbel It looks like the event that both he and the Cardinal attended was one organised by some kind of Catholic youth movement in Germany. Like the Cardinal, he's a smooth talker. It's all very uplifting and inspiring. The little warning bell for me is that this man who has been invited to peddle his message to young Catholics is an Anglican preacher, and the Anglicans have turned a la carte Christianity into a running buffet. Let's not forget that Mr. Gumbel is in full Communion with the Vicar who says it's possible that Jesus was the product of a one night stand with a Roman soldier. To Peter B: I don't believe for a minute, nor would I suggest that Pope Francis is the False Prophet. Cardinal Shonborn, on the other hand, leaves me feeling very troubled.....a smooth talker that you could say was bred for the office he holds and comes across as very devout more or less matches the profile. I'm suppressing my instincts and looking for the good, reminding myself that only God knows what's in a person's heart. At the same time, I can hear my late mother warning me "handsome is as handsome does". I have a feeling that the time is fast approaching where we won't be able to buy or sell (can you suggest an alternative to PayPal?). I'll be ok because there are plenty of priests that don't leave me wondering whether they actually believe the words of consecration, but what about the next generation? Will they be treated to sermons about St. Joseph being the foster father to the bastard son of a Roman soldier and that Jesus wasn't really God because he wasn't to know that the modern Church would be faced with different types of adultery and sodomy? How will they know the truth if Sacred Scripture is open to private interpretation and being in full communion with the Church isn't the same as professing to believe all that the Church teaches? Is claiming to have "a personal relationship with Jesus" to become the benchmark for the source and summit of our Faith? Worried doesn't even come close to describing my dread of what's about to be revealed in the Apostolic Exhortation.
I have learned from the school of hard knocks to not worry about what I cannot control. God is in charge of his plans. I think St. Padre Poo said it best "pray, trust and don't worry".
I'd stil lrathe wit till it comes Brian, it is not long now. Everything else feels like Shadow Boxing.
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/...no_forgiveness_if_there_is_no_repentance.aspx Cardinal Sarah: “There is no forgiveness if there is no repentance”
What goes on in the Vatican is a mystery really.But I do sense serious discontent in the ranks. This is another top Cardinal appearing to, well, be a grumbling and a rumbling. These people I belive tend to be very low key and understated in what they say and do. So, to me, this is the Vatican equivalent of full out roar. An angry roar.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/china-religion-catholics-wary-of-vatican-deal 'But there are signs that Rome may be willing to compromise. Pope Francis has publicly praised China and voiced the hope that he will visit the country. This warming in relations resulted last summer in the consecration of Joseph Zhang Yinlin as the Roman Catholic Bishop of Anyang. He had been nominated for this role by Beijing – and accepted by the Vatican.' Cardinal Zen Communist nominated Joseph Zhang Yinlin as the Roman Catholic Bishop of Anyang.
