"Francis has been totally orthodox..can only be faulted by faulty reading"

What have I 'defended', Mac? I merely posted a link taken from the site you posted so that people could look at what you appeared to be criticizing.

I continue to wait to see what is upsetting people.

 

Richard already pointed out that the new programme contains soft porn.

 

That is Richard's opinion. I'm sure the Vatican would strongly disagree, that's why I await some balanced opinion or access to what is upsetting people.

 

Hi Richard.....Maybe I'm missing something but I can't find any sexually explicit images in the guide. Can you explain which is the worst image in your opinion?

 

"The question is why he doesn’t he clarify” these ambiguous statements, "

More often than not he does..the media are not interested in printing this however. Mind you, sometimes just a little research brings the correct answers. So much better than reading bias reports.

"The Main Stream Media and blogs got over excited by Pope Francis’ brief statement on homosexuality distorting his words with the headlines, ‘Who am I to judge gays?’ What they failed to report was the Pope's explicit reference to the Catechism. ‘ Persona humana ’ when it states that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’

The CDF document ‘Persona humana

‘At the present time there are those who, basing themselves on observations in the psychological order, have begun to judge indulgently, and even to excuse completely, homosexual relations between certain people. This they do in opposition to the constant teaching of the Magisterium and to the moral sense of the Christian people."


The Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 2357-2359) categorically states that:

• Homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
• This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.
• They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.
• Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

• Pope Francis’ pastoral approach to persons with homosexuality is rooted in the following paragraph from ‘Persona humana’:
  
  ‘In the pastoral field, these homosexuals must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people. For according to the objective moral order, homosexual relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable finality. In Sacred Scripture they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting God.[18] This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of.

 

I'm asking the same question, David. I didn't see your post here.

 

Any media reporting on Elton's disappointment? Of course Pope Francis has affirmed traditional..Biblical..natural marriage, as well as his extremely strong remarks declaring same-sex "marriage" a diabolical effort of "the Father of Lies" to "destroy God’s plan … and deceive the children of God."

 

I need to add that it would be best if people now stop posting the same old refuted arguments. Keeping up with the news is good, but for goodness sake make sure the reporting isn't biased. Check out the sources used in a story. Yes the Pope had stated his concerns over and over regarding gay marriage and adoption. " ... gay “marriage” discriminates against children depriving them of "their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God." At stake, he said, was "the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts" and the "very survival of the human family, with Satan at work."

Now let's be honest... would the lovely Elton John be happy hearing the above? Is Francis still his hero? I think the answer will be a definite No... to both questions.

"While he was in the Philippines the Pope stated unequivocally that the family is being threatened by relativistic “powerful forces” that are looking to “disfigure God’s plan for creation” and to “redefine the very institution of marriage.” He denounced what he called the “ideological colonization of the family.” To cite the larger quotation reported by Catholic News Agency, the pope warned against increasing efforts “to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life,” and against “powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation and betray the very values which have inspired and shaped all that is best in your culture.” CNA

Obviously when the pope speaks of "powerful forces," he is meaning satanic ones.

 

The Pope has spoken often of sin.....those who’ve lost the sense of sin and those who’ve lost a sense of God’s mercy. "Both attitudes are harmful because they stop us from encountering the healing grace of God’s merciful forgiveness."

"Pope Francis refers to a fundamental problem that has been identified and considered by many popes since Venerable Pope Pius XII — the crisis of the loss of a sense of sin. Pope Francis says: “Pius XII, more than half a century ago, said that the tragedy of our age was that it had lost its sense of sin, the awareness of sin.”

"Pope Francis also shares Pope St. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI’s concern about the influence of relativism on our sense of sin: “Relativism wounds people too: All things seem equal; all things appear the same.” In a homily, Pope Francis has said the devil seeks to deaden our consciences so we can’t tell right from wrong, which is the hallmark of relativism:"

“The man ends up destroyed by the well-mannered method the devil uses, by the way the devil convinces him to do things, with relativism: NCR

Pope Francis constantly warns about the disastrous influence of this loss of the sense of sin in the Church. He distinguishes between sinners, who retain a deep sense of sin, and the corrupt, who have lost their sense of sin.

 

Hi Mac...I don't think it's called gossip when we are saying something positive about someone.

If the truth doesn't make us feel good then we need to examine our motives.

Blessings coming your way.

 

"You folks are in denial about the impact of the Pope's remarks."

Who do we blame for quoting him out of context then? First the media...and then the ones who take great delight in copying and pasting their words. Will it now stop?

"I would say Elton John has one in his wardrobe"

You obviously found it funny... No it isn't funny. Satan might be laughing at the way these out of context soundbites are spreading but God isn't laughing. He expects us to seek out the truth. How sad it would be if the so called traditionalists were the cause of a schism. :-(

God Bless Us And Save Us

 

Hi picadillo..what is a "Francis Amen Corner?"

 

Yes John, he was quoting from the CCC which was forgotten... or dare I say ignored? Quoting the Catechism isn't interesting news for some. Distorting the Pope's words is far more interesting!

 

From Christ's Church or Satan's?

 

"The amount of churchmen and do gooders falling over themselves to 'Accompany' you on your journey would be embarrassing ."

You think so? I welcome these types of persons to help me on my journey.

 

He means those of us who keep defending Pope Francis

But to be fair, picadillo's post did provoke some helpful subsequent posts.

 

Oh my goodness..better defending than attacking. I have to face the Lord one day so I wouldn't like that sin on my soul.

 

It's not my opinion. The images and themes speak for themselves. They are like something straight of the George Soros playbook for corrupting the youth. Absolutely disgusting and shameful. Still waiting for Pope Francis to issue a clarifying statement on whether Catholic parents must subject their children to this Communist indoctrination.

Also, is perfectly permissible for Catholics to criticize the Pope and the Vatican. This criticism does not equate to schism, as you seem to imply throughout this thread. The Church has had plenty of bad popes. I'm still holding out hope for Pope Francis though. If he takes concrete actions against the Freemason/Homosexual Lobby that has clearly infiltrated the Vatican, I will be the first to applaud him. If he stopped being so worried about finding political solutions to our problems and instead focused on Heaven's peace plan as given to Ida Peerdeman at the approved apparition of Our Lady of All Nations, I would be the first to applaud him. But we must deal with the reality we find ourselves in. So, I will continue to pray for him and keep my fingers crossed.

 

And where did you find this material, Richard? I'm rather surprised that lifesitenews hasn't published any of it if it is so bad. I'm also a bit confused by what you say here. You are talking about it being full of communist indoctrination but I thought it was supposed to be pornographic....

 

I'm sorry SH, but I disagree, if you mean by young age as before High School (usually around 14 years of age). I am asking genuinely, but have you any experience in teaching catechisis to children (I'm not including your own children)? Quite simply a program of that nature before high school is a waste of time and will only hold back a child in developing a love for Jesus and Mary. Most children I have encountered in my time teaching barely have a knowledge of Jesus and the basic principles of the Faith. They have no idea what a tabernacle is, how to pray a rosary, what the Ten Commandments are, how to go to confession, what constitutes a sin, and I could go on and on. The virtues and basic aspects of the faith need to be taught before any type of sex Ed program is introduced, and in a very practical and applicable in the real world sense, this is impossible. There is simply not enough class time. Parents may not be fulfilling their duty of instructing their children in the sexual aspects of the Catholic Faith (I dare say that they actually can't do it because most are ignorant themselves) but neither are they instructing them in the theological basics and showing them how to develop a relationship with Jesus and Mary through prayer and the Sacraments. Why would a teenager care if their sexual behavior was a sin if they have not developed a love of Jesus or even what the Eucharist actually is? They don't care, plain and simple. If there is no Love then there is no reason to sacrifice. In fact in my experience they smirk, slouch in their seats and exchange "can you believe this??" looks amoung themselves. The only ones who actually take this to heart are those whose parents have been involved in instructing them in the faith through their lives. A program of some kind might be valuable during high school, but I've experienced quite a few of these so-called sex Ed programs through the church and they're terrible. Without fail they are not designed to teach, but to ask questions and leave the answer open-ended so that there is no real clear-cut answer, which is what a teenager needs. I'm not saying to give up on such kids at all, I'm just stating that unless there is previous effective formation, such a program is worthless and a waste of time. The Vatican would better use its time and resources developing better catechisis for children than the watered down useless versions that are rampant in the dioceses across the USA. I recognize this is a world-wide board, so yes I understand this may be a US experience. I have no idea how catechisis works in other countries. I can only speak from my experience.