"Francis has been totally orthodox..can only be faulted by faulty reading"

Unfortunately, he is the first Pope to use the phrase 'gay' person.

And the first Pope to say Christians should apologise to 'gay' people.

So the Pope has taken the classic liberal position in this regard, in using the term gay person, which is why most people believe he has altered church teaching and hence he is the beloved of the 'gay sub-culture'.

There is no such thing as a 'gay' person. Gay is a social construct that attempts to justify homosexual activity.

Not one is born 'gay'. It is an identity that is embraced.

Gay is a fictitious identity seized upon by an individual to resolve painful emotional challenges. The man who recognizes that he has a homosexual problem and struggles to overcome it is not "gay." He is, simply, "homosexual."

Gay means a person who is defined by their attraction to the opposite sex and embraces the lifestyle. 'Gay' in this context must be the ultimate oxymoron since there can be fewer sadder creatures on God's earth than someone who practises this perversion.

I already have been in a discussion about this in an earlier thread so I am not interested in debating it again.

 

So where does the pope say to homsexuals to repent? Never.

 

I rest my case.

 

The links are readily available. Google is your friend. I'm not providing the links because some might find the material an occasion for sin.

Communism = militarized, politicized, compuslory atheism/satanism. One of the favorite methods enjoyed by "Communists" of all stripes through history is the use of sex to corrupt the societies they intend to infiltrate. This Sex Education Programme released by the Vatican is just further confirmation to many of us that the wolves that Benedict warned about are alive and well.

 

"So the Pope has taken the classic liberal position in this regard, in using the term gay person, which is why most people believe he has altered church teaching and hence he is the beloved of the 'gay sub-culture'."

First of all I don't think it matters whether we use the word 'homosexual' or 'gay' to describe a person who is attracted to the opposite sex. The original meaning of gay was.... joyful carefree etc. Around the 17th century the word began to be associated with immorality. According to an Oxford dictionary at that time it meant...."addicted to pleasures and dissipations. " In the 19th c the phrase "gay it" meant.. to have sex. A gay man was someone who slept with a lot of women...mainly prostitutes. later it also included men who had sex with other men. So I don't think homosexuals are doing them selves any favours by preferring to be called gay.

Why the Pope using the word 'gay' means he is changing the Church's age old teaching is a bit silly! And he certainly isn't the "beloved of the 'gay sub-culture'."

The Catechism tells us that most gay individuals face "a trial" due to their sexual orientation, and "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

Cardinal Ratzinger, while head of the CDF said the same in a 1986 letter to bishops on the pastoral care of homosexual persons, stressing that “it is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action.” Such treatment, he said, “deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs.”

 

Here's what we have been waiting for! Sin and the need for repentence! Sheesh!!!

Diabolical disorientation?


Pope Francis: Global Warming a ‘Sin,’ Man Can Atone by Recycling and ‘Car-Pooling’
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said, adding that “2015 was the warmest year on record, and 2016 will likely be warmer still.”

“This is leading to ever more severe droughts, floods, fires and extreme weather events. Climate change is also contributing to the heart-rending refugee crisis. The world’s poor, though least responsible for climate change, are most vulnerable and already suffering its impact,” he wrote.

Repeatedly citing the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, who has “courageously and prophetically continued to point out our sins against creation,” Francis made his own a new list of such environmental sins, which include pollution, global warming and deforestation.

For human beings to “destroy the biological diversity of God’s creation,” to “degrade the integrity of the earth by causing changes in its climate,” to “contaminate the earth’s waters, its land, its air, and its life–these are sins,” he wrote.

Summing up, the Pope stated that “to commit a crime against the natural world is a sin against ourselves and a sin against God.”

Lamenting “the devastation of the environment,” Francis said that “God gave us a bountiful garden, but we have turned it into a polluted wasteland of debris, desolation and filth.”

Specifically regarding a loss of biodiversity, the Pope suggested that now there are fewer species to give glory to God.

“We must not be indifferent or resigned to the loss of biodiversity and the destruction of ecosystems, often caused by our irresponsible and selfish behavior,” Francis said. “Because of us, thousands of species will no longer give glory to God by their very existence, nor convey their message to us. We have no such right.”

The Pope said that the World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation was instituted in order to give believers an opportunity to “reaffirm their personal vocation to be stewards of creation.” It also furnishes an occasion to thank God for the gift of creation, to implore his help for its protection and to beg “his pardon for the sins committed against the world in which we live.”

During this Jubilee Year, “let us learn to implore God’s mercy for those sins against creation that we have not hitherto acknowledged and confessed,” Francis said, while proposing that Christians need to undergo an “ecological conversion.”

Now is the time to “acknowledge our sins against creation,” the Pope said. “Inasmuch as we all generate small ecological damage,” we are called to acknowledge “our contribution, smaller or greater, to the disfigurement and destruction of creation.”

“Let us repent of the harm we are doing to our common home,” he added.

If our ecological conversion is real, Francis said, it will lead to concrete ways of thinking and acting that are more respectful of creation.

Among these are “avoiding the use of plastic and paper, reducing water consumption, separating refuse, cooking only what can reasonably be consumed, showing care for other living beings, using public transport or car-pooling, planting trees, turning off unnecessary lights, or any number of other practices.”

In his message, the Pope also applauded “a growing global political consensus” regarding the environment, praising the adoption of “Sustainable Development Goals” as well as last December’s Paris Agreement on climate change, “which set the demanding yet fundamental goal of halting the rise of the global temperature.”

Apparently the pontiff’s prayers have already been heard, since scientists are nowforecasting that 2017 will be a cooler year than 2016.

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'If our ecological conversion is real, Francis said,'

 

I shouldn't laugh , but honestly , what a joke.

 

This movie is recommended viewing in the new Vatican approved sex ed.

I wouldnt watch it. Very sinful... Christian movie review...http://www.pluggedin.com/movie-reviews/to-the-wonder




Here it is recommended....http://educazioneaffettiva.wpglauco...ploads/2016/07/Unit4_Full-Movies_Educator.pdf

 

I wish the edit option lasted a bit longer.
I see they only recommend watching a few minutes of this porn movie.

 

I suggest that you can become more informed by reading up on this topic on people who experience same sex attraction.

http://www.josephnicolosi.com/

http://www.josephnicolosi.com/articles/

https://couragerc.org/

 

See my thinking on alleged Global Warming here:

http://motheofgod.com/threads/fine-wine-and-global-warming.9607/#post-144015

When they start growing wine grapes in northern Ireland I might start to worry about it then.

 

“This is leading to ever more severe droughts, floods, fires and extreme weather events. Climate change is also contributing to the heart-rending refugee crisis. The world’s poor, though least responsible for climate change, are most vulnerable and already suffering its impact,” he wrote.

Yes how true that is...

Summing up, the Pope stated that “to commit a crime against the natural world is a sin against ourselves and a sin against God.” Specifically regarding a loss of biodiversity, the Pope suggested that now there are fewer species to give glory to God.

Pope Benedict XVI and Saint John Paul II further deepened the Church’s long engagement with ecology. Saint John Paul II reminded us that all of Creation reflects the love of the Creator and should be treasured. Pope Benedict XVI, known as “the Green Pope,” brought urgency to the question of how our Catholic principles should shape our climate future.

Lamenting “the devastation of the environment,” Francis said that “God gave us a bountiful garden, but we have turned it into a polluted wasteland of debris, desolation and filth.”

Pope Benedict......Angelus November 27, 2011"A second key area where you are called to make a contribution is in showing concern for the environment. This is not only because this country, more than many others, is likely to be seriously affected by climate change. You are called to care for creation not only as responsible citizens, but also as followers of Christ!"

Address to Reichstag September 22, 2011

I would say that the emergence of the ecological movement in German politics since the 1970s, while it has not exactly flung open the windows, nevertheless was and continues to be a cry for fresh air which must not be ignored or pushed aside, just because too much of it is seen to be irrational. Young people had come to realize that something is wrong in our relationship with nature, that matter is not just raw material for us to shape at will, but that the earth has a dignity of its own and that we must follow its directives. In saying this, I am clearly not promoting any particular political party — nothing could be further from my mind. If something is wrong in our relationship with reality, then we must all reflect seriously on the whole situation and we are all prompted to question the very foundations of our culture. Allow me to dwell a little longer on this point. The importance of ecology is no longer disputed. We must listen to the language of nature and we must answer accordingly."

"Can we remain indifferent before the problems associated with such realities as climate change, desertification, the deterioration and loss of productivity in vast agricultural areas, the pollution of rivers and aquifers, the loss of biodiversity … and the growing phenomenon of 'environmental refugees?'? (#4)"

"It is not hard to see that environmental degradation is often due to the lack of far-sighted official policies or to the pursuit of myopic economic interests, which then, tragically, become a serious threat to creation." Pope Benedict.

Statement by John Paul II
World Day of Peace Message
January 1, 1990
The gradual depletion of the ozone layer and the related ‘greenhouse effect’ has now reached crisis proportions as a consequence of industrial growth, massive urban concentrations and vastly increased energy needs. Industrial waste, the burning of fossil fuels, unrestricted deforestation, the use of certain types of herbicides, coolants and propellants: all of these are known to harm the atmosphere and environment. The resulting meteorological and atmospheric changes range from damage to health to the possible future submersion of low-lying lands. While in some cases the damage already done may well be irreversible, in many other cases it can still be halted. It is necessary, however, that the entire human community — individuals, States and international bodies — take seriously the responsibility that is theirs (#6).

I wish to repeat that the ecological crisis is a moral issue (#15, emphasis in original).

 

Don't worry Richard...there is nothing in the document to worry anyone. The worst in my opinion was the naked figures on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel.. lol.

 

"I suggest that you can become more informed by reading up on this topic on people who experience same sex attraction."

Why would I want to be more informed?

 

"So where does the pope say to homsexuals to repent? Never."

The Pope has more than once re-affirmed the teachings on homosexuality in the CCC.

‘At the present time there are those who, basing themselves on observations in the psychological order, have begun to judge indulgently, and even to excuse completely, homosexual relations between certain people. This they do in opposition to the constant teaching of the Magisterium and to the moral sense of the Christian people.

When he was Cardinal, Pope Francis described Argentina's SS laws as the "work of the devil "

There were ugly clashes for years outside his cathedral between Catholic protesters and gay rights activists, who had to be kept separate by a line of police. The President, openly taunted him, for what she called, his 'regressive attitudes.

"God’s mercy is poured out upon the repentant so that they can change and grow," Pope Francis has said. He added that "the gift of God’s mercy is highlighted and experienced in a special way in the sacrament of penance or reconciliation."

The Pope is speaking to all sinners....adulterers, thieves, gossipers, practicing homosexuals...murderers etc etc,

 

"When they start growing wine grapes in northern Ireland I might start to worry about it then."

They are getting bumper crops here in England, Garabandal!

 

Pope Francis: Go to confession for not recycling, repent of excess plastic and paper


September 1, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) — In his message for the celebration of World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation today, Pope Francis called on Catholics to go to confession for sins of not being respectful of creation, giving examples of examination of conscience such as “avoiding the use of plastic and paper,” “separating refuse” and “turning off unnecessary lights.” He called on Catholics to have an “ecological conversion.”

Recalling the year 2000 act of public repentance by Pope John Paul II for sins of “religious intolerance, as well as for injustice toward Jews, women, indigenous peoples, immigrants, the poor and the unborn,” Pope Francis suggested public repentance by the Church for environmental sins. “Let us repent of the harm we are doing to our common home,” he said.

The papal message takes as fact questionable climate change extremism as did his encyclical Laudato Si released in June 2015. In the message released today, Francis speaks of “devastation of the environment” and man-made “global warming” and “climate change.”

“God gave us a bountiful garden, but we have turned it into a polluted wasteland of ‘debris, desolation, and filth,’” he said. He warned of the “loss of biodiversity and the destruction of ecosystems, often caused by our irresponsible and selfish behavior.”

“Global warming continues, due in part to human activity: 2015 was the warmest year on record, and 2016 will likely be warmer still,” he wrote.

The Pope also proposed adding to the centuries-old tradition of the seven Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy an eighth in each list:

As a spiritual work of mercy, care for our common home calls for a “grateful contemplation of God’s world” (Laudato Si’, 214) which “allows us to discover in each thing a teaching which God wishes to hand on to us” (ibid., 85). As a corporal work of mercy, care for our common home requires “simple daily gestures which break with the logic of violence, exploitation and selfishness” and “makes itself felt in every action that seeks to build a better world” (ibid., 230-31).

Entitled “Show mercy to our common home,” the message employs traditional Catholic language regarding sin and applies it to “sins committed against the world in which we live.” “Examining our consciences, repentance and confession to our Father who is rich in mercy lead to a firm purpose of amendment,” the Pope says, "must translate into concrete ways of thinking and acting that are more respectful of creation.” For example, the Pope continues, “avoiding the use of plastic and paper, reducing water consumption, separating refuse, cooking only what can reasonably be consumed, showing care for other living beings, using public transport or car-pooling, planting trees, turning off unnecessary lights, or any number of other practices.”

“In the light of what is happening to our common home, may the present Jubilee of Mercy summon the Christian faithful “to profound interior conversion” (Laudato Si’, 217), sustained particularly by the sacrament of Penance,” Francis says. “During this Jubilee Year, let us learn to implore God’s mercy for those sins against creation that we have not hitherto acknowledged and confessed. Let us likewise commit ourselves to taking concrete steps towards ecological conversion, which requires a clear recognition of our responsibility to ourselves, our neighbors, creation, and the Creator (ibid., 10 and 229).”

See the full message from Pope Francis here.

 

"Also, is perfectly permissible for Catholics to criticize the Pope and the Vatican. This criticism does not equate to schism, as you seem to imply throughout this thread. The Church has had plenty of bad popes. I'm still holding out hope for Pope Francis though."

The following seems to be sound advice...."It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Unless a pope is actually engaging in evil deeds, silence is a better response to disagreement than speaking out. As we know when a critics arguments have been refuted he can feel rather foolish! Hopefully he can learn from his mistake by doing some careful research on the issue he is concerned about before putting his foot in it.

" So, I will continue to pray for him and keep my fingers crossed"

He is always asking for prayers...but please uncross your fingers and wrap them around the Rosary beads instead.

 

“God gave us a bountiful garden, but we have turned it into a polluted wasteland of ‘debris, desolation, and filth,’” he said. He warned of the “loss of biodiversity and the destruction of ecosystems, often caused by our irresponsible and selfish behavior.”

Hi Mac....This is nothing new. The previous popes also lamented the state of the planet. " World peace, John Paul warned, was threatened not only by arms, conflict, and injustice, but by “a lack of due respect for nature.”

John Paul II Spoke about "the relationship between human activity and the whole of creation. When man turns his back on the Creator's plan, he provokes a disorder which has inevitable repercussions on the rest of the created order. If man is not at peace with God, then earth itself cannot be at peace: "Therefore the land mourns and all who dwell in it languish, and also the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and even the fish of the sea are taken away" (Hos 4:3).

..".....the earth is ultimately a common heritage, the fruits of which are for the benefit of all. In the words of the Second Vatican Council, "God destined the earth and all it contains for the use of every individual and all peoples" (Gaudium et Spes, 69). This has direct consequences for the problem at hand. It is manifestly unjust that a privileged few should continue to accumulate excess goods, squandering available resources, while masses of people are living in conditions of misery at the very lowest level of subsistence. Today, the dramatic threat of ecological breakdown is teaching us the extent to which greed and selfishness - both individual and collective - are contrary to the order of creation, an order which is characterized by mutual interdependence."

John Paul II "In 1979, I proclaimed Saint Francis of Assisi as the heavenly Patron of those who promote ecology (cf. Apostolic Letter Inter Sanctos: AAS 71 [1979], 1509f.). He offers Christians an example of genuine and deep respect for the integrity of creation. As a friend of the poor who was loved by God's creatures, Saint Francis invited all of creation - animals, plants, natural forces, even Brother Sun and Sister Moon - to give honour and praise to the Lord. The poor man of Assisi gives us striking witness that when we are at peace with God we are better able to devote ourselves to building up that peace with all creation which is inseparable from peace among all peoples."

"It is my hope that the inspiration of Saint Francis will help us to keep ever alive a sense of "fraternity" with all those good and beautiful things which Almighty God has created. And may he remind us of our serious obligation to respect and watch over them with care, in light of that greater and higher fraternity that exists within the human family." John Paul II Vatican

I reckon he's right then..Polluting the atmosphere, the earth and the waters is a sin. His predecessors also warned us that .. "When we mistreat nature, we also mistreat human beings. "

I'm guilty too.