I am no expert of everything you describe re Russia and its Gov. So maybe you are correct or not. I don’t know. However the one error you did state above is: “when the seers say when Communism comes again.” Why is that in error? The “seers” didn’t say it. The Blessed Mother DID! She, as God is are 1000% NOT Liars. EVER! They are COMPLETE TRUTH ALWAYS! WE just don’t always understand the truth. Or sometimes to quote a famous movie line: “Can’t handle the TRUTH.” Time will crystallize the TRUTH! Peace Be with you!!
I stand corrected for my oversight. John you are 100% correct. I should have said the seers relayed the message from our Most Blessed Mother. The bigger picture I was trying to impart is that it won't be Russia per se that will be holding the Communist flag but, rather, China who is are more prototypically Communist with their centralized economy. That's all I was trying to say. Russia in the guise of the Soviet Union did all those rotten atheistic things e.g. making the Catholic Mass illegal and more during the time from Stalin to Brezhnev/Andropov, et. al but those days are gone now and another evil character, China, will make the move.
Ok. We shall see. I’m sure very soon. Prayers! May God and our Blessed Mother Guide and protect us in these unprecedented & challenging times ahead. Peace!
You are forgetting the most important thing , BOTH Fatima & Garabandal, mention " Russia", so it is not some "political" regime who's in or out, Mary names Russia as needing conversion, so there must be a reason for their conversion.
The "arrangement" of Medvedev's so called "presidency" was to keep Putin in charge. M's authority was really in title only to make things appear that Putin could relinquish power which he never did. And any attempt by the Oligarchs for replacement power, after their rise to get what they could while they could after Gorbachev's glasnost exposed the weakness of the Communist economy resulted in Putin's use of the well practiced tactics of his KGB days to control such influence and has put back more Communist type "order". Putin's neighbors and former states under control of the Soviet Union are currently scared to death of what may come against them, "again", due to the threatening nature of the forces on their borders by the "statesman with such democratic principles" - not, in control. I would assume then that "when communism comes again" has meaning for those European countries (and elsewhere where it was also experienced) that were formerly under the control by Russian Marxist Communism, in one way or another, may come under the iron fist again, even if only for a shorter period of time, IF/WHEN Russia invades Europe. Chinese Communism was just an adjustment of Russian Marxist Communism for their own nature and culture. It too may have seemed to have eased due to their greater openness to the world in trade, etc., but the latest speech given by that leader certainly could send chills up the spine of those held captive. So this state of citizen control, now so often referred to by the elitists who basically want a kind of that same Russian Marxism as "socialism". It all points to a one world order with the main characters of today vying for control ..... with a new kind of universalist type of religion....and which has its origin of design in Russian Marxist Communism. I think it will be the Russian people themselves who will rise up to show Russia as THE example for the True Faith....more than likely due to internal suffering there that is to come in force.....as emphasized in certain well known prophecies. In the end Russia will be converted....after spreading their evil everywhere.....and we must still pray for that.
Glenn, In the book, She Went in Haste to the Mountain the author included the questions Fr. Laffineur asked Conchita. The following is one of the questions along with Conchita's answer, —Did the Most Holy Virgin or Jesus say anything about the conversion of Russia? —In a locution with Jesus, the only one that I have had with Him up to the present, He told me that Russia would be converted. Also in this book is a locution that Conchita had with Jesus confirms that it is Conchita who asks Jesus if Russia will be converted. I am not 100% certain but I don't believe that the Blessed Mother or Jesus stated Russia themselves in this context. Jesus stated that the Miracle is, "To convert the whole world", Russia included. http://stjosephpublications.com/ The following is a definition of communism from bing, Communism, which can be thought of as capitalism's opposite, says that in a capitalist society, the working class (the proletariat) is exploited by the ruling class (the bourgeoisie). I think that it is quite possible that communism in it's purest form, anti-capitalism, has returned already and has in fact spread around the world. I believe that the following article from 10/15/2011 is evidence of this, 'Occupy' anti-capitalism protests spread around the world https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/16/occupy-protests-europe-london-assange In addition, Pope Francis who has been referred to as an anti-capitalist Pope was elected approximately 18 months after this anti-capitalism movement began. From the following article, “Inequality is the root of social ills ... as long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world’s problems or, for that matter, to any problems.” Yes, it sure sounds like a declaration of war: The anticapitalist Pope Francis versus America’s self-destructive amoral capitalism. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/1...anticapitalism-will-save-the-world-2014-11-13 I think that we are seeing the Occupy Wall Street (Anti-Captialist) Movement "morphed" around the world right now in the form of various protests. I also think that Catalonia seeking their independence from Spain is an extension of this. I came across the following article from 1/24/2012 which was posted on a thread on MOG. In this article, George Soros may have predicted(?) what is occurring around the world at the moment. Soros states that economic meltdown is a result of evil in the world and we know that he may be funding many of the protest movements that we are witnessing currently, scary. http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/0...-clampdowns-possible-total-economic-collapse/ http://motheofgod.com/threads/soros...owns-possible-total-collapse.6334/#post-65268 The reason why our human solutions are not working is because many people have turned their backs on God. As long as evil exists in the world, peace doesn't really have a chance. IMHO, Pope Francis is failing to remind the world of this but now I diverge. My point is communism has returned and it has spread around the world, imho. PS- The Clinton Foundation is another example of this failed idea of the rich helping the poor. PPS- You are correct though Garabandal and Fatima both mention Russia. The Garabandal seers were told that before the Warning, "The Pope will go to Russia, to Moscow..."
Mrs. [Christine] Bocabeille then asked Mari Loli: "If you are not allowed to tell me the exact year [of the Warning], perhaps you could tell me approximately when it will happen." "Yes, it will be at that time when the world will most need it." "When is that?" "When Russia will unexpectedly and suddenly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world. God does not want this to happen so quickly. In any case the Warning will come when you will see that Holy Mass cannot be celebrated freely anymore; then it will be that the world will most need the intervention of God." Albrecht Weber Garabandal-Der Zeigefinger Gottes Conchita's Aunt Antonia testified to having heard the visionaries say in ecstasy that "if we don't amend our ways, Russia will take possession of the whole world." Ramon Perez GARABANDAL — EL PUEBLO HABLA online: Garabandal's prophecy about communism Garabandal. Communism. Russia
Now, I am back from my trip to Garabandal. It was again very nice and peaceful days, which I could experience. I do not know a more peaceful place in the world. One has the feeling that in this place the clock has stood still for centuries. I often sat for hours in the small church and had time to think about God and the world. Since this year there are 2 new statues in the church. One of Mother Teresa and the other of Padre Pio. Below these saints the relics are kept in a golden vessel. I've set you some pictures.
How true the last part of this quote is -- God is patient with us & gives adequate time to change. God is sovereign and nothing happens outside of His Divine Will.
Sam, I think it will only be truly clear after the Warning occurs. It is interesting to note that in the quote that you posted from Mari Loli, imho, it appears that the Warning will occur when the, "Holy Mass cannot be celebrated freely anymore" and God does not want Russia to overwhelm a great part of the free world so quickly. The following may provide more clarity, Mari Loli seems to have been the first to speak about it when in 1967, she provided information to a Mexican priest, Father Gustavo Morelos. Three years later, the same information, in the possession of Maria Saraco, had been written down and confirmed by Mari Loli with her own signature. It reads as follows: In spite of continuing to see the Virgin, [during the first night of screams] we saw a great multitude of people who were suffering intensely and screaming in terror. The Blessed Virgin explained to us that this great tribulation, which was not even the Chastisement, would come because a time would arrive when the Church would appear to be on the point of perishing. It would pass through a terrible trial. We asked the Virgin what this great trial was called and she told us it was "communism." [SHE WENT IN HASTE TO THE MOUNTAIN by Eusebio Garcia de Pesquera, O.F.M. Cap.] On September 29, 1978, Father Francis Benac, S.J., interviewed Mari Loli at her home in Massachusetts. Here are some of the questions and answers pertinent to our subject. FATHER BENAC: Did the Blessed Virgin speak of communism? MARI LOLI: Our Lady spoke several times about communism. I don't remember how many times, but she said that a time would come when it would seem that communism had mastered or engulfed the whole world. I think it was then that she told us that priests would have difficulty saying Mass, and talking about God and divine things. FR. BENAC: Did Our Lady ever speak of people being put to death? LOLI: What Our Lady said was that priests would have to go into hiding but I didn't see whether they were being killed or not. She didn't exactly say they would be killed, but I'm sure they would be martyred. FR. BENAC: Your mother told me that one night you were upstairs with your father and that you cried and cried for one hour. Afterwards your father said to her: "I have just seen the most touching sight. Loli was crying the whole time while saying, 'Oh, it's going to be like that? People are going to suffer like that? Oh, make me suffer!'" Do you remember what you said at the time? LOLI: It was all related to communism and what is going to happen in the Church and to the people because all these things are to have repercussions amongst the people. When the Church suffers confusion, the people are going to suffer too. Some priests who are communists will create such confusion that people will not know right from wrong.[THE CALL OF GARABANDAL, Apr-Jun 1984.] Unfortunately, I do believe that Russia is going to "invade" Western Europe in some form or another and I also believe that the Vatican is going to be attacked. I think it is difficult to determine if Russia will come to the aid of Europe and/or the Vatican; or take an available opportunity to attempt to conquer them (maybe both of these, one after the other). In addition to what I stated in my other post, the reason why I feel that what we are seeing today could in fact be the return of communism discussed at Garabandal is that there are no other prophecies which speak of Russia mastering or engulfing the whole world but there are approved prophecies which state that there will be "civil war" on almost a world-wide scale and Muslims causing great trouble for the Church & Europe in general. Time will tell.
Glenn, let me throw out this hypothetical. It is well known that a small number of NDE survivors and those few, genuine, seers who are shown the “future” often misinterpret this “future” as definitive and w/o change. They misinterpret that what God has shown them is just one out of an infinite number of possible outcomes, those outcomes directly dependent on the degree/extent mankind has converted away from sin and evil. Is it possible that Conchita may have interpreted Russia as being the nexus from which “communism comes once again” because in the early 1960s, Communist Russia was at its atheistic heights. Since Perestroika, the Russian Orthodox church and the majority Russian Orthodox population have been celebrating a new Springtime of faith. Let me interject by discriminating the Russian people from Putin. Although Putin acts devout and expresses total devotion to the Virgin, I’m convinced this is a circus act. Although Putin is an antichrist candidate, I’m not sure the same can be said of the Russian people who pack Sunday services and are far more devoutly Christian than their American counterparts. Atheism is a hallmark of Communism ( Communism is not just an economic theory). Considering the large scale conversion of the Russian population back to Christianity, I’m proposing that Russia can no longer be responsible as the country from which “communism comes once again”? Conchita was shown Russia as part of the atheistic Soviet empire. That empire no longer exists. For this reason, I believe it is Communist China from which “communism comes once again”. Your thoughts?
Signals already being sent?? Russia might be about to invade Europe. Here's how America should respond Between Sept. 14-20, the Russian armed forces will conduct a major exercise, ZAPAD 2017. Employing forces from various Russian commands, the exercise will test the military's ability to conduct a combined arms offensive. That's exactly the kind of operation Russia would use to invade Europe. While there's nothing new in the Russians carrying out a military exercise, this situation is different due to the scale and location of the forces involved. Russia claims under 10,000 personnel will be involved but as many as 100,000 Russian soldiers are actually expected to deploy. Their number will include armored and artillery units, and strike fighter aircraft. As interesting, instead of training in Russia, the forces will conduct their exercises in Belarus. That geographic choice is designed to send a specific message to NATO. After all, bordering NATO member Poland, Belarus offers ZAPAD forces the means to rapidly strike into the heart of NATO. Joining that threat is the Russian fortress-oblast of Kaliningrad, where reservists have been called up. Look closely at a map of northern part of eastern Europe, on the shores of the Baltic Sea, and you'll see Kaliningrad — it's a pocket of Russia that doesn't touch Russia, but is instead tucked between Poland and Lithuania. Kaliningrad would be a crucial breaching and supply point for any invasion. As my map below shows (the red lines exemplify offensive lines), were Russia to invade Poland via Kaliningrad and Belarus, it could encircle Polish forces on that country's eastern front. The Russians know this and probably believe that they could reach Warsaw before a serious NATO counter-offensive began. While Poland's competent and aggressive military would not yield, it would struggle to withstand a Russian surprise attack by itself. That said, Poland isn't the only NATO state threatened by ZAPAD; the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania face even greater vulnerability. For a start, Putin has long believed those nations are destined to be feudal states of a new Russian empire. And again, the matching of ZAPAD forces in Belarus to Kaliningrad proves the danger. Invading the Baltics, Putin could use forces in Kaliningrad and Belarus to block Polish/NATO counter-offensives, as launchpads for a two-front invasion of Lithuania, and as distractions for simultaneous invasions of Latvia and Estonia. Putin might gamble that if his forces seized significant territory in short order, NATO would sue for peace. His intent would be a limited victory that divided NATO between those pushing for military response, and those, like Germany, who would probably assess a counter-offensive as too risky. Another complication is that NATO's force disposition against a Russian surprise attack remains weak. While NATO would intercept Russian communications in the immediate buildup to an attack, if those orders were sent from Moscow on short notice, there wouldn't be much NATO could do. In addition, as I've explained, NATO's rapid reaction forces in Europe are patently incapable of defeating a Russian invasion. This is a symptom of Europe's pathetic defense investment, and its consequences in rendering that continent one of largely impotent militaries. Putin also loves the fact that many EU populations oppose their government's support for NATO article 5 treaty obligations. Remember, where Germany leads, other NATO states like Italy and Spain might follow. MORE: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...es-how-america-should-respond/article/2633054
Once again I must interject and correct again. Here, once again you state: “is it possible that Conchita May have interpreted Russia as the nexus in which Communism comes again.” Answer: NO. WHY? Because Conchita and Mari Loli didn’t interpret it. Often Conchita will tell you when asked: “I don’t know. That’s what the Virgin said.” Blessed Mother At Fatima and Garabandal as Glenn has stated here and several others as well have posted- THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY SAID RUSSIA re Communism coming again. Not the seers! Mary doesn’t err or lie EVER! Do I/we fully understand it? No. But we will. Soon enough. Peace!
Or a "return" to something like this....but everywhere that the "socialists" take complete control for all purposes to be a type of worldwide Communism that eliminates true religion's influence??: Mexico’s Forgotten Pain: The Persecution of Catholics and the Cristero War Mexico is a nation with a very strong Catholic identity, yet for over 70 years during the 20th century the Catholic Church was actually outlawed: not allowed to own property, run schools, convents or monasteries, have more than a certain number of priests (and no foreign priests), nor defend itself publicly or in the courts. It was hardly allowed to exist. According to historian Jim Tuck, “This was not separation of church and state: it was complete subordination of church to state”. Following 1940, enforcement of these restrictions gradually lessened, but it was not until 1992 that the Church was restored as a legal entity in Mexico. During the period of the strictest enforcement of these draconian laws beginning with the rule of President Calles in the late 1920s, Mexicans were often imprisoned for wearing religious items, saying “Adios” in public (which literally means “with God”), or even questioning the laws. Public worship was a crime punishable by hanging or firing squad. (In fact, this week – May 21 – was the feast day of 25 Mexican saints and martyrs who remained true to their faith during these turbulent years and were canonized by Pope John Paul II in 2000. Another 13 martyrs were canonized by Pope Benedict XVI in 2005, including young José Luis Sánchez del Río. Perhaps the most well-known modern Mexican martyr, however, is Blessed Fr. Miguel Pro, beatified by Pope John Paul II in 1988.) For a nation that was 95% Catholic, this was a crisis of unimaginable proportions. Yet modern Mexico – and the world – has largely forgotten the suffering that took place in the years 1926-1929. Known as the Cristero War or Cristero Rebellion (La Cristiada in Spanish), this period was, according to historian Donald Mabry, “a virulent anticlericalism [attack on the Church] that has seldom been surpassed in any other country”. With such a severe restriction of their liberties, the Mexican people were forced to react. After a decree that required the registration of priests and the confiscation of church property, the Catholic bishops of Mexico made the decision to close the churches and go underground. It was during this time that armed rebellion first broke out against the government. “Mexico rose in arms to shouts of ‘Viva Cristo Rey!'” writes historian Jürgen Buchenau. “Thus began the Cristero Rebellion, which eventually grew to 50,000 soldiers, or a force almost as large as the federal army.” https://catholicgene.wordpress.com/...ersecution-of-catholics-and-the-cristero-war/ When President Calles came into power, he wanted to bring Mexico’s population to belong to a Socialist state. He would insist that the Church was poisoning the minds of the people and that its teachings were a threat to the Revolutionary mentality which it stood for. Calles wanted to ensure that all citizens were going to be educated under the government’s dictatorship and secular mindset. He wanted to ensure that only the government would have the freedom to form the minds of its citizens and insisted that the church was poisoning the minds of the people. http://www.catholicworldreport.com/2012/06/01/the-story-martyrs-and-lessons-of-the-cristero-war/
I believe that Putin is the greatest protector of Christianity in the world today, but perhaps he only becomes a Christian at the end of his life, like Constantine who protected Christianity and was baptized only before he died
Luan, please provide concrete examples that back up your assertions. The facts behind Putin's KGB and post KGB history run counter to what you say. Ex: during the breakup of the Soviet Union, Putin, with his cronies, stole tens of millions of rubles in assets that were formerly under the ownership of the USSR. Putin is known as one of the riches oligarchs in the world. In addition, Part 1 of last weeks Frontline series on PBS describe the numerous assassinations of competitors to Putin's leadership, as well as journalists and others hoping for a democratic Russia. It is no secret these assassinations all point directly directly to Putin who does not seem to be all that concerned. Part 2 of that Frontline series begins this week (can't recall which day). Before you anoint Putin as a saint, I would highly recommend watching Part 2 and watching Part 1 online.
hello friend, maybe you're right, but Father Paul Kramer mentioned that Putin supports the consecration of Russia, do you think this would be a mistake? Father Paul Kramer refers to Putin as a protector of Christianity.
I might add to your rebuttal,that not only Mary talked about Russia, BUT Our Lord also spoke to Conchita about them ! On July 20,1963 Conchita left the Church saying that she had had an intimate conversation with Our Lord. Priest asked her to relate the circumstances in writing. Then the girl took a piece of paper and a pencil, and wrote these lines spontaneously with great ease. I was making my thanksgiving and praying for things. He answered me… And I said to Him: “Why is the miracle coming? To convert many people? “ He answered: “To convert the whole world.” “Will Russia be converted? “{ ” It also will be converted, and so everyone will love Our Hearts. “ Locution on July 20,1963 “Conchita;s Diary-7 ( I'm pretty sure he knows what's going to happen,and to whom )
