Messages from Heaven- Ned Dougherty's NDE visions of the future

Could very well be. We are not praying and sacrificing in vain.

 

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m praying that God's cleaning house in America will end up moving to the Church because all of this is interconnected and God's ways are not out ways. But I could be terribly wrong. So...Like you I just keep with "pray hope and don't worry" and await His Triumph.

 

Well the Church has the supreme role of guiding every culture. When it is so derelict in its duty it naturally follows that the world's cultures go haywire. It follows then that when we notice the material culture around us so corrupted and in need of a turn around, that can only happen via a direct indulgence by God, for those who have suffered through the corruption and remained faithful, and that cannot depend on imperfect men but uses those of good will (also imperfect; Trump being one) to carry out the necessary re-regulation via the action of the Holy Spirit. So all that is corrupt in this defective world can only be renewed through the Holy Spirit. But the Church is not only material like cultures may be and so it has to have another kind of purification for its purpose of leadership to the culture. The Church then must come under a more severe purification for its purpose before it can retake its proper relation to the culture. That's my take on it anyway.

 

Yes. I agree. Excellent response to my observations. I guess what I am thinking is this: if as it appears to be, the “white hats” are following the money and gathering intel on the corrupt practices if the elite—especially the pedophilia and the horrible human trafficking—and those money trails flow in any way through the Vatican and all these compromised churchmen are exposed—then they will be trapped in the net along with all the other bad actors and our good and faithful cardinals and Bishops and clerics will move in to begin restoration. God moves in mysterious ways I am watching it and astonished at the scope of what is going on.

 

If these things flow through the Vatican and this is revealed to the world without doubt, consider the persecution that will result for many Catholics but especially the clergy. I suspect that a great many will have no choice but to go into seclusion and be hidden among us, even in our homes as the institution of the Church as we know it crumbles and her wealth and power is eroded.
Look now at how many use the pedophile priest mantra to condemn the Church and the faithful.

 

"In this world, Christ will reign. Jesus will return in glory to bring all creation back to the full splendor of His new earthly paradise. The sinful city will now have vanished, and thus all creation will open itself with joy to receive the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, come down out of heaven, the permanent dwelling place of God with men.
'I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the former heaven and the former earth had passed away and the sea was no more. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned to meet her husband.'
"Beloved children, today you are contemplating me in the splendor of my Immaculate Conception; allow yourselves to be drawn by the enchantment of your heavenly Mother, and follow me in the wake of my sweet fragrance, in order to go with me to meet the Holy City, which will come down out of heave, at the end of the painful purification and of the great tribulation in which you are living in these last times." (MMP, #483)

All is in God's Divine plan. We are asked to pray, fast and be faithful. We know who wins in the end!

 

Offered for your discernment - the Bride and the Groom:

 

Yes Don. You could be right but we were and are a remnant church for several years. We will protect our priests and be holier and stronger for the eradication of corruption. Malachi Martin talks at length about this. He was prescient.

 

Thanks for sharing Lynn. Heaven is surely speaking to these times and those who have their lamps lit will benefit from it all.

 

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March 2, 2018 @ 5:30pm

St. Ambrose Church, West Hollywood, California

St Michael Archangel


Lo and Behold!

I bring to the people of the United States of America a Special Warning!

As you all know, your country is going through great changes, but few of you know that these great changes are being brought about by the Father in Heaven through the intervention of His Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of the world. Most of you do know that the Lord, Jesus Christ is indeed the one and only Redeemer, who the Father has charged to save the world in these End Times; and the Redeemer's journey here on Earth in these times is felt by many of you who are the powerful prayerful warriors who have answered the call to see humanity through these End Times.

Many of the changes that are being brought about within your country are intended to bring God's children closer again to the Father in Heaven and the Redeemer. Little did you know that the political events resulting in changes in your legislation and laws are slowly but surely bringing your country back within the fold of the Father in Heaven, His Son, Your Heavenly Mother, and all the Angels and Saints in Heaven, who are also praying powerfully now for your country.

The nature of my warning is that all of you must be aware that satan's minions are casting about in fright of the events that are taking place to their detriment as well as to the detriment of the evil one, the master of the minions of the new world order, and of the secret and occult societies that have been secretly and stealthily leading your country down an evil path to world domination, fueled by the forces of satan.

Most powerfully now they are about to react violently and savagely, because for the first time in their grip on humanity they are recognizing the winds of change that are blowing their evil way, and they are now reacting in fear that their centuries' old plans for world domination are beginning to unravel.

They will not take this inevitable defeat lightly. Among their sinister plans, they are calling for the assassinations of your leaders who stand in their way; they are fomenting anger and hatred among the people of your country, many of whom are blind to what is actually happening; they are fomenting wars, leading to world wars that they have been planning for decades now, particularly a third world war which they will utilize as a distraction and a deception that is intended to turn your leaders and their energies to focus on land wars, so that they can avoid the spiritual war which the evil one and his minions know that they will loose. The thought terrifies them that they should lose power and control to the people of your country, resulting in peace and prosperity for the people at the expense of the powerful elites who have been controlling you for decades now.

You must take the necessary steps now to protect your children from the events that the evil one and his minions are planning. You may have recognized that the dark forces are focusing on young adults and children, attempting to sway their hearts and their minds away from the Father in Heaven and away from His Son as their Redeemer by promising the young people solutions that may seem beneficial at first, but that are ultimately to the detriment of the young as well as the older citizens. The evil one is cunning in his ability to appeal to young and impressionable minds, so he and his minions are attempting to brainwash and mind-control the young people to the point that they will be turning the young against their parents and grandparents, just as they have been fomenting hate among the people over the color of their skin, or their religion, or their core beliefs.

The beliefs and values that you must instill in your children are the same as most of you were traditionally taught, but the evil one has been introducing new and occult ways for your children to follow so that they become enslaved to the ways of their new world order. Do not let this happen!

During these end times, you must all turn to your family members and friends, particularly the children, and it is your responsibility to teach them the values that you cherished in your youth, for the evil one will be attacking you and your children unmercifully in these times to lure your children away from you and to further divide the families and the generations.

Make a concerted effort now individually and collectively through your family and friends, through your prayer groups, through your churches, places of learning, and institutions to defeat the mind-control attempts by the evil one and to instill the power of the Holy Spirit in all that you meet and to all that you reach.

This plan is crucial now that you follow the influence of the Holy Spirit and now more than ever before that you bring all of your family together and recognize that the fight is not among all of you with your opposing views on what ultimately will be less important and even frivolous views, the fight now is between the Father in Heaven and His Son the Redeemer against the forces of the evil one and the minions who are attempting to perform his work to create a new world order, a draconian plan of enslavement over all of you with the evil one and his minions as the global elites, who believe that they should be above and in charge of all of you.

Be careful as you proceed for the times now are going to become increasingly more dangerous for your leaders who are now directly in harm's way of the evil one who will stop at nothing to assert his power and control over all of you.

But his efforts are for naught for the Father in Heaven through His Son the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ shall overcome and force the evil one and his minions into the eternal pit of damnation. For so it is written in the Word of God, just as it is written that there shall be a New Heaven and a New Earth.

Thanks be to God!

Message ended 5:56pm

 

This part of Ned's message reminds me of what my husband and I were discussing last night. We talked about how a lot of conservative voices are being silenced in social media and YouTube---more than usual. My husband believes that the liberals are starting to get nervous because they sense their power and control slipping. In their desperation, they are silencing the voices of truth and reason that can topple their agenda. Their censorship is all about fear. And I have a suspicion that this is just the beginning. The road ahead will be long, lonely, and mostly uphill for those of us with conservative values and morals.

 

Yes Pray4peace. I believe you are right. Lots and lots of Rosaries needed.

 

Reporting an unusual pc attack: Friday, March 2, we had a bomb cyclone windstorm. During the windstorm I heard my pc make a cracking noise and it went off. I turned it back on, and it cracked again. During that time, I lost Firefox. I must have tried off and on for 5 hours to reinstall Firefox and kept getting some stupid message that I must turn off Firefox first. Really? I was in a place where I was desperate and had to use Google which I KNOW monitors material. My son came over after Mass on Sunday and in less than 5 minutes had my Firefox back on. This reminded me of the youtube screenings. And I use holy water around my computer daily.

 

Yes, P4P, things hidden before seem to be coming forth out of a kind of desperation. At the time of the crucifixion Satan first felt his power in this world weakening....it changed his own reality.....and that continued with each follower of Christ who gave his/her life, in one way or another, for Christ. There's been a "matching" going on. Otherwise he wouldn't be so in need of souls.....when he gets them then they no longer will be able to lessen his power. So he now, with all of the blood and suffering by the faithful in the world, feels closer to that total diminishment of control. And with the devotion of the Flame of Love now, with its purpose of blinding Satan, when its effects of grace over all humanity are felt by him, his minions also become confused, desperate and crazed.....why we're seeing so many public acts of that diabolical disorientation every day now.

 

Message to Ned Dougherty

May 2, 2018 @ 12:45pm

Southampton Pines, East Quogue, New York

Jesus of Nazareth



I come to you today as Jesus of Nazareth to celebrate my earthly life among God's children who have lived here on this planet since the Father in Heaven breathed life into the souls of all who have been created to inhabit this world. Since then humanity has been on a journey, individually and collectively, a journey of self-discovery and growth that is the plan of the Father in Heaven to share His creation with all of you, my brothers and sisters living here on Earth.



Since the beginning of time, the Father's creations, who chose to challenge His Authority over all that is created, have been rebelling like petulant children against the Father in Heaven, and they have reached out to infect humanity with their careless neglect of honoring the Father as their Creator.

These fallen angels in these times are your enemies both in mind and body, as well as in spirit and soul and now at a time in the timeline of humanity when the Father in Heaven wants to bring so many of you back home and within His eternal fold, the fallen angels are working overtime to disrupt the plan of the Father in Heaven.




In these times, you now find yourselves in between the goodness of the Father in Heaven and the evil of the fallen angels. Your journey is simply now a journey to discover the goodness in humanity that is of God and to discern the evil in humanity that has been created by the fallen angels who are attempting to destroy God's plan for all of you.




In this regard, you know Me as Jesus of Nazareth who visited upon humanity over 2,000 years ago to bring the Truth of the Father to all of God's children. I walked among you then my brothers and sisters and I walk among you today, not in the flesh as then, but in the spirit as of now, for I am here to lead and guide you to return to the Father's heavenly home.




In this regard, the time is now short for all of humanity to return to the Father in Heaven, for now is a time of correction, a correction that is necessary for the entire Universe to experience to bring the Universe in alignment with the plans of the Father for all of God's children to live in celebration of the Father in Heaven as Lord and Saviour as opposed to the life that most of you are leading now which shows little regard for your origin or for your role here on Earth.




The Father in Heaven imbued every living soul with an individual mission in this earthly life, and it is the intention of the Father in Heaven that all of God's children manifest the goodness with which they were imbued by the Creator in ways that would be shared ten-fold across the rest of humanity. The existence of God's children here on Earth has been threatened by the evil ones, the fallen angels who have been thwarting the plan of the Father.




Now the Father had chosen to bring about the Great Transformation, a great correction that will align all of God's children with His purpose and design, as opposed to the evil taint that humanity now experiences from the dark energies of the evil ones.




Your Father in Heaven has imbued each and every one of you with a free will to move forward in this earthly life, but your free will was designed for you to pursue God's plan and mission for you, not for you to pursue an earthly life of materialism and greed to the extent that you have lost your way as to your purpose in life.




In the Great Transformation, it will become clear to you what your Father in Heaven will be expecting from you as the world proceeds through the final stages of the end times. You will have the opportunity to exercise your free will with a renewed understanding of what it is that the Father in Heaven is expecting of you, or you can choose otherwise.




However, those of you who have always looked toward the Father in Heaven for your salvation will have a renewed strength to pursue the right course that the Father has always planned for you.




Those of you who recognize and revere the Father in Heaven will have a renewed understanding following the Great Transformation of what it is that you must do to achieve your final reward.




In the end of this earthly life you will be rewarded with the Beatific Vision of the Father in Heaven, of the Son as Redeemer, of Your Heavenly Mother, of all the angels and saints, and of all of God's children who will finally and forever return to the Heavenly Fold of Your Father in Heaven, Your Creator.




Thanks be to God!



Message ended 1:07pm

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GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!!

 

Long but to the point!





Jun 1, 2018 - Our Lady of La Salette

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June 1, 2018 @ 4:00pm

At "The Rock", Shrine of Our Lady of the Island, Eastport, NY



Notre Dame de La Salette



I come to you today as Notre Dame de La Salette, your Lady of La Salette who appeared to you on the mountain of La Salette and delivered to you a message that continued the messages that I had conveyed to the children of La Salette on September 19, 1846, one hundred years before the date of your birth.

(See Messages from La Salette: November 1-2, 2005).

I had chosen to continue my messages of La Salette through you because I had chosen you then as I have chosen you now to convey very important messages to my children throughout the world.

Today I have led you to another of the holy and hallowed places in your world that I have chosen for those of you who receive my messages to find solace and peace in a world that seems to be left with little of either. From the mountain of La Salette to this Shrine, be assured that my messages are especially important when conveyed from these holy and hallowed places.

So I have led you here today to this holy shrine as Your Heavenly Mother because of the importance of today's message to the children of the Father in Heaven and of My Son, Your Redeemer.

A half-century ago, the fruition of the sinister work of a secretive consilium was presented to the faithful through my Son's Church in Rome. This secretive consilium fostered upon the Church a novus order by the same secret and occult societies that have been promulgating a new world order upon the peoples of the world.

The evilness of these secret and occult societies that have infiltrated My Son's Church, as well as many and most of the governments and institutions of the world, is the work of the evil one who has insinuated himself in the affairs of mankind to the detriment of all of God's children.

The evil one, satan, has been successful so far, due to many of his minions who willingly submit themselves to the satanic rites of satan or lucifer, who give these minions great powers and control over the peoples of the world as well as giving these minions great wealth to achieve their satanic goals. As a result, all of mankind's institutions, both the church and the governments, have been corrupted and infested by the evil one.

Nearly fifty years ago, the novus order was introduced to the children of My Son's Church and the results of this new order are evident in what has transpired in the past fifty years in My Son's Church, as well as among the peoples of the world.

The evil one's greatest success has been his ability to destroy the fabric of the family unit as it has been ordained by the Father in Heaven in the Original Plan for mankind. The family was ordained by the Father in Heaven to provide a proper and pious structure for God's civilization to grow and prosper, just as the Father in Heaven had created for your world.

In the past fifty years, the family and its meaning to humanity have become blurred intentionally by the evil one to create chaos and confusion where there once was order and sanity. Today, the effects of the novus order and the new world order are evident to those of you who recognize and understand that the Father in Heaven has intended the family unit to be a reflection of the Holy Family itself.

In the past fifty years, there has been a degrading and destruction of not only the family unit but of the morals and values of humanity itself. This defaming and destruction of humanity by the so-called progressives and liberals have caused great damage and destruction to the society in which you now find yourselves.

Those of you who have lived through the past fifty years and have been able to observe and reflect upon what has happened to the family, to the people, and to society, need no convincing that something has gone terribly wrong in the past fifty years that has brought mankind to the lowest level in which you now find yourselves.

Unfortunately, your children and those of you from younger generations have been brainwashed and programmed by the evil one and his minions through the now godless educational systems as well as through your institutions of higher learning, the mainstream media, and your sources of entertainment, so that those of you who are younger have no foundation in the morals and values that were instilled in those of you from older generations.

So now what we have in your world in relation to My Son's Church and the ability of my Son's Church to be an effective influence on God's children is misdirection from the highest levels of My Son's Church in the formation and promulgation of the Church's teaching to all of God's children.

As I had warned at La Salette, the Church failed to answer my call then, and today the Church fails to respond to my continuing messages to my sons and daughters throughout the world. As it was then, it is now; the Church infiltrated by the evil one's secret and occult societies, including freemasonry, as I warned then and as I am warning now. Many of you are aware of these warnings and can now reflect on how the Church has lost its way, because my warnings were not heeded, then or now.

I must call upon all of God's children now, to those of you who desire to follow the Father's mission for you in these End Times, to reflect on the journey that My Son's Church has taken in the past fifty years and to discern what the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is expecting from you in these End Times to restore My Son's Church to its rightful place in guiding all of you through these End Times.

I must strongly tell you that the most important step that you must take is to recognize that the sacred and traditional Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist must be restored to its former place as the most valuable Sacrament that My Son and Redeemer has provided to humanity during these past 2,000 years.

The proper reception of the Holy Eucharist by all of the Redeemer's followers must be recognized by the faithful and restored to its proper place by My Son's Priests who have an individual responsibility in their mission to convey to the people the importance of the proper reception of the Holy Eucharist to all of God's children who are baptized in His Holy Roman Catholic Church.

It is also incumbent upon the Church itself to restore the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist to the position that was always intended by the Redeemer of humanity. However, I must tell you the restoration of the proper order of the Holy Eucharist must start now with the faithful of My Son's Church. It will be restored from the bottom up rather from the top down, for it is the faithful remnant of My Son's Church who will be the strongest influence in returning my Son's Church to what has always been intended by the Redeemer.

The proper reception and veneration of the Holy Eucharist is most important in restoring My Son's Church to its proper place in these End Times and the faithful followers must pray powerfully to restore the Holy Eucharist and the Church itself to where God intended it to be in these End Times.

The forces of evil that have infiltrated My Son's Church have also infiltrated many of your governments and institutions in your world. The evil that is now consuming you is obvious and evident to you in all of your daily lives.

For the children and the younger generations, it may not be as obvious. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the elders to communicate with your children to turn the tide of the evil that is permeating your world. In this regard, you must pray powerfully and communicate with your family members and friends that it is time now in these perilous end times to turn the tide and restore My Son's Church to its rightful position of leadership and strength during these final times.

During these End Times, you must rejoice in the knowledge that you are sharing in my suffering as well as in the suffering of your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, so that when the Great Transformation takes place resulting in a New Heaven and a New Earth, you may also truly rejoice with Your Heavenly Mother and My Son, the Redeemer, because in the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph.

Thanks be to God!

Message ended 4:45pm

 

I am convinced this message 6/1/2018 posted above from Ned is not of God. This alleged message is putting down a valid Mass as being evil and not of God.

Following is another alleged message on the same subject that is sound in faith and reveals the wrong thinking of some on the Novus Ordo Mass. www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org

07/25/07 My son, ponder these words. Ask my Holy Spirit to interpret the meaning for you. Isaias 55:8,9,11. For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts. So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth. It shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it. Matthew 16:19. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. My people, who were these words addressed to? Peter, my apostle and to his successors. These words were not addressed to lay people, religious, or even individual priests. Today in my church, many factions are questioning the authority of the Holy Father. I ask you: do you have the power to loose and bind? These words do not apply to you. If you are in rebellion, calumniating, or causing others to question the authority of my vicar, you are in rebellion against me. You will be held responsible for those you lead astray, if you do not repent. By your words and actions, you are persecuting me. You are led by your own pride, not by my Holy Spirit. For I am meek and humble of heart. Are your actions, thoughts, and words leading my people to me or away from me? Beware,the serpent is sly and can lead you astray. If my pope was truly teaching false doctrine, my spirit would lead and purify my church. This schism over the validity of the mass must stop. It is a stumbling block and a serious offense to my sacred heart, my Mother’s Immaculate heart, and to the Holy Trinity. For it is only my sacrifice which appeases my Father’s justice.

My sacrifice of the mass is a renewal daily of my atonement on Calvary.Who are you to stifle my spirit? If a validly ordained priest, speaks the words of consecration established by my church, I AM PRESENT. It is a valid consecration. If you question the validity of my masses, after the Holy Father has explicitly guided you, are you any different than Martin Luther or any of the protestant reformers? Remember, Satan wants to destroy belief in my mass. He does not care which method he uses. By questioning the validity of the Novo Ordo Mass, you are causing people to leave my church and deny my presence in the Eucharist. You will be held responsible for all the souls, which you have caused to be led astray. I am a God of humility. It is my humility which has brought about your salvation. My desire is for all to be saved. I will go to whatever lengths, to save a soul. The loss of one soul to hell, causes much sorrow and grief in my sacred heart. For I told you, there is much joy over one sinner who repents. Who are you to judge the workings of my spirit? My people, the Tridentine Mass brings great honor and glory to my Father, myself, and the Holy Spirit. Please Ponder on this: There is much evil in your world. How do you know the Novo Order Mass, was not inspired by my spirit? I knew there would be sacrilegious communions, lack of reverence in my churches, and lack of belief in my presence in the Eucharist. But I will do anything for the salvation of souls. I will humiliate myself to great extremes to save my people. I will sacrifice my honor and glory to save my people and bring my presence to my people. What will you do for the salvation of souls? Since the introduction of the Novo Ordo Mass, many protestants and others have entered my church, who otherwise would not have. Many conversions and Eucharistic miracles have occurred with both rites of my mass. For the most important thing to me, is to share my presence and to save the souls of my people. With the mass said in the vernacular languages, many souls have learned to love me and have come back to the shepherd of their souls. If you continue to fight over the validity of the mass, do you even care about souls? For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. I receive honor and glory, not from the praise of men, but through the salvation of souls.For truly I say to you, my divine purpose, is to deliver my people from sin and death and bring them to my Father in heaven. What is your purpose, you who call on my name? Follow the visible head of my church, your Holy Father and you follow me. Follow not your Holy Father and you do not follow me, but you persecute me. These are the words of the Lord.

 

I don't know for certain about several private revelations, but I won't manufacture new words that were not given as evidence that doesn't exist. There is nowhere stated that the new order of things created an "invalid" Mass....esp. since the main thrust in this was to emphasize the lack of preparation for the Eucharist and the proper respect for this most important of the sacraments, continuing to this day. One wouldn't be ordered to make proper understanding of this reception of the Eucharist if it was no longer valid. The fact of the infiltration into the Church itself of the cults, including the heavy influence of Masonry, is, as she says, now fully realized by the faithful remnant....to the point of acknowledging in so many places the fact of Satanic "masses" with evidence of such even within the Vatican walls themselves. This dual identity by the clergy was emphasized years ago by Fr. Gobbi who said the Roman clergy especially were known to carry their card of ordination validity in one pocket while carrying the Masonic membership in the other!! What has taken place in the world by this same evil source, Satanic type influences extending to families, morality, et al has had its parallel influence into those leading or misleading the people, esp. realized by the "elders" who know from their early years a totally different respect for the holy things then, compared to the disappearance of most all of that today w/o the youth fully comprehending the same grave difference.

This lack of respect over the years (that prophesied less and less attention will be given to the Eucharist) has only increased due, as so many agree, to the habits established for the lack of preparation for the Holy Sacrament and this too is due to those who accepted too easily the changes that fostered this lack of leadership which, as she states, are esp. those "who have an individual responsibility in their mission to convey to the people the importance of the proper reception of the Holy Eucharist to all of God's children". IOW, a dereliction of duty to which they will be held accountable and why we must pray for the priests. Of course this Eucharist, the same as ever since it was instituted, as she also says, would have no such need of proper teaching for its holy reception if it were not valid to this day and going forward! And she mentions another aspect that now is also pretty much accepted of the reality of the Church today....at the top....that such renewal will come from the bottom up.....not top down; from her faithful remnant. And this has been seen, esp. in the continuing devotions such as Eucharistic Adoration, the rosary, and more from those who themselves carry on the faithfulness as the example of the continuing living Church. They are the evangelizers for the youth....those mentioned "elders" who must teach those who have been neglected. It is obvious that we're there now, looking forward still to the promised coming in the New Heaven and New Earth since, finally, as also promised her Immaculate Heart will triumph. Don't see any heresy within such obvious facts of just where we have arrived throughout these several decades to where we are today. And we haven't arrived at such a state of things without Satan's infiltration into the Church, its misled habits and teachings, as well as his material world, where he is prince and has power.

 

The fact is, the Novus Ordo mass is not the problem, as I have attended many of masses said by good/holy priests said in the vernacular that were reverent and holy. One can blame the new mass on all the problems in the church as Ned's alleged message reveals, or one can put the blame where it lies, with bad clergy. Ned's alleged message made the Novus Ordo mass out as evil and for this reason, I contend his messages as false. God would not permit a valid council to produce and evil liturgy as Ned's message seems to indicate.