Prophesy - GSWYL

Some good points you make, however, one thing in prophecy needs to be made certain. That is, any alleged prophecy cannot contradict scripture or church teaching, which most Protestant alleged message do. This is the first and most important point if/when a person wants to sort out true prophecy from false prophecy. This weeds out 90+ percent of alleged prophecy.

Once a person discerns what is given, is not contrary to scripture or church teaching then one can look at others area of the alleged messenger, such as lack of humility, looking for attention and saying things clear out of the prophetic consensus from both approved and alleged prophecy. There is several IMHO that fall into this category. This is the criteria that I used to dismiss LTTW and Charlie Johnson after reading them for over a year. I don't embrace anything on the surface but study them over allot of time before I feel comfortable following them. Others may have other criteria that they use to reject or follow alleged messages and I sense for most it is easier to stick with only Church approved messages. Nothing wrong with this. However, I would warn anyone to not despise alleged prophecy if nothing in it is contrary to scripture and church teaching, lest you may be working against the spirit of God. Best to pray for discernment whether one follows prophecy or rejects it.

 

As Verne's messages in GSWYL go, he had no intention of ever making a book of them. He was told by our Lord to write them down and that is what he did. It was years later, after his holy friend Cletus read them that Cletus felt called to have Verne's messages put in a book. Cletus was inspired to call the book of Verne's messages, God Speaks Will You Listen. As I mentioned in a post above, putting these messages into a Word document and from there to the printers, became humanly impossible and required divine intervention by having each and every message prayed over, lest the computer crashed. Cletus knew the devil did not want these messages to be put into a book.

With all the message in the book, Verne did not want one message to be included in the book. It was the one on the Consecration of Russia. Verne, like most Catholics at the time and even today, believed the consecration done by Pope John Paul to the "world" sufficed, as did EWTN and many other Catholic resources. Cletus insisted that it be included with all his other messages and so it was. Following is part of that message:

9-21-07 My son, while my people argue over the validity of the consecration of Russia, many souls are going to hell. Do not allow yourself to be caught in Satan’s trap. The consecration has not taken place. It will take place. The message of Fatima was primarily concerned with repentance and the salvation of souls. The consecration of Russia is amessage addressed to the Pope and bishops of the world. Pray my Holy Spirit will give the Holy Father the strength and wisdom to overcome the forces fighting against him. My son, I am gong to tell you why the consecration of Russia has not yet taken place. My church was not purified of the evil forces hiding among the clergy. Remember the Pope and bishops of the world are required to make the consecration. In the past, there were to many Bishops who were rebellious against the Holy Father for the consecration to havetaken place. My Holy Spirit has led the holy Father to purify my house. Once my church is purified and my house is in order, you will see the consecration of Russia done. As you have read, my son told Sister Lucy it would be done late. Now read Isaias 55:8 , 11. For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth. It shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.

Do not presume in your pride to know the mind of God. Do not cause division among my people by arguing over the consecration of Russia. It is a deceptive trick of Satan to prevent my people from focusing on your mission: the salvation of souls. Again, I will repeat myself for you. Your mission is to lead souls to my son Jesus Christ for salvation, not cause souls to leave my church because of your proud and argumentative spirit. I the Lord will hold you accountable for your actions, words and thoughts, which cause another to stumble. The consecration will take place in my time, not yours or Satan’s. I receive no honor and glory from your pride but only from your humility. Be a part of my son’s army and my daughter Mary’s army. Fulfill your mission. Let those whose mission it is towork for the consecration of Russia, fulfill their mission. It is not your mission. Do not cause schism or division, but love and unity among my people. I repeat myself to stop the confusion among my people. If you do my will, I will protect and guide you no matter what takes place. For I am the same living God of the Bible who is your Father today and forever. I love you my people. Return to the Father’s fold through the graces of my son Jesus Christ, the power of my Holy Spirit, and the intercession of my daughter Mary. These are words from Almighty God to my people. Amen​

 

Wasn't the GSWYL messenger involved with the occult? Please remember occult activity can leave a lasting mark/weakness in someone, even after spiritual healing. Having that in the background of a messenger makes me nervous. Also, the message above goes against what Sister Lucia herself said about the consecration by JPII. Go to Spirit Daily and read the articles on this by Michael Brown. Pope Benedict said the consecration was accepted too.

Not getting the blessing of the local bishop, who is the shepherd in every diocese, seems to be prideful. A "holy priest" cannot give approval in the name of the Church, and should know his place. If a priest told someone to publish and spread messages from God he was talking "above his pay grade". God would not cut his shepherds out of the loop. Bishops have punished/restricted some saints from speaking/working, like St. Faustina and St. Padre Pio, but in the end God's will prevailed and they became even holier because of their obedience. Their trial and obedience was in God's plan all along!

I know a woman who runs a health food store and sells people pills and potions to take when they are sick. She says doctors keep people from knowing about health food-store cures because it will put them out of business. She says the FDA works with Big Pharma and you can't trust their trials. I worry about really sick people wasting their time and getting sicker because they ignore real medicine and buy her stuff. Messengers who will not submit themselves to the Church are like people who sell untested products. I do not need to read all these messages to know they should be discerned by someone in authority first.

 

Interesting comparisons. Unapproved apparitions or locutions carry real danger. Ignoring tested medicines from an MD for natural remedies is also not a good idea. My husband’s cousin is very big into all natural herbs and “chi” therapies. Very new age. However when he got Lyme disease he went as fast as he could to an MD for the right antibiotic!!

 

Yes, Verne was in the occult before his conversion to Catholicism. Yes, it leaves a lasting mark, but not a weakness in his case or in many of the cases in scripture where people were healed by Jesus and demons departed. I did not know Verne personally, when I first read the book GSWYL. Before I knew his story, I had read the book and re-read it may times to let many messages sink in and compare to other messengers, like Father Gobbi and others who spoke on related topics such as the Era of Peace, the Antichrist, the False Prophet etc....
I believe what makes Verne's messages more extraordinary is that he had just entered the Catholic Church, after getting married to a Catholic lady and knew little about anything in Catholicism prior to receiving these messages. This is profound..... as those who have studied the faith for years could not have come up with the profound messages in GSWYL and speak to these subjects without being at odds with Church teaching or scripture as found in his messages. God speaks to whom he wills.

Yes, the consecration of the world by Pope John Paul was accepted by heaven, but it did not fulfill the specific request by our Lady of Fatima for the consecration of Russia and both he and Father Amorth, who headed the consecration and was there through it all, knew it to not have complied with our Lady of Fatima's request. Anyone can see there has been no era of peace since 1984, which was told to be the effect once it does happen. Facts don't lie. That being said, it did not go without God's mercy in delaying the chastisements that would have already taken place. JPII consecration was accepted and it bought us more time by God's mercy.

Again, an imprimatur is not required for a book to be published on alleged messages. Garabandal and Medjugorje are just two examples of this, where dozens of alleged messages were spoken. It is enough that no priest, theologian and monks who have studied the book GSWYL found anything in them contrary to our faith. You may not like it, so you don't have to read it. However, whomsoever does read it will not find any error's in it either and that I am sure of. Every person on the MOG forum who has complained about this book has never read it completely, which says allot as well. If they did, they would have surely pointed out any theological error in matters of faith or morals. There is no "submission" requirements by the Church to print a book on the faith. Surely you know this. Scripture and Church teachings has been tested and those who study it and have read the book God Speaks Will You Listen can attest that nothing in it is contrary to scripture. If you want to try and prove me wrong....please do so... as you seem to think you are very educated in both. If you can do this, I will have Padraig remove this thread from his MOG web site. So take up the challenge.....go for it. I am convinced as others are that it is truly words from heaven.

 

I don't see any comparison to ignoring untested medications. We are not scientists, but we profess to be educated Christians and educated Christians should know their teachings in the area of faith and morals. God give all baptized this grace to know and discern his teachings and if in doubt, we have scripture and the catechism to enlighten ones confusion. So if, you find something in the Catholic Catechism or Scripture that is at odds with anything in the book God Speaks Will You Listen, let me know and as I have said, I will have Padraig remove this thread from the MOG and make a few naysayers happy. But until then, I stand behind this book and everything it is telling us about our moment in history, including the era of the antichrist and false prophet, as well as the era of peace living in the divine will.

 

For those wanting a deeper education on these times and what has been spoken about them, I highly recommend Father Joseph Iannuzzi, OSJ book with Imprimi Potest, called The Triumph of God's Kingdom in The Millennium And End Times. Much of what Verne's messages speak to are covered in this book as well and it is really a reaffirmation of the prophetic consensus of out times. Following is what one person's follow-up to the book found on Amazon said about it....

Just what is the Millennium and is it an acceptable part of Roman Catholic teaching? What follows is a brief summary of Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi's landmark book. The book clears up two points that are very relevant to the current dialog among Christians regarding the end times - Jesus does not come in the flesh to usher in the Millennium, nor does the Rapture begin the Millennium.
Fr. Iannuzzi asks the question: "Did the Apostolic Fathers ever mention an 'era of peace' or an intermediary reign of Christ on earth?" (p. 10). He shows unequivocally that the answer is yes. The first half of the book is a rather difficult, slow read, since Fr. has to prove that the Fathers of the Church did in fact leave a legacy of writings that gives a specifically Catholic understanding of the Millennium.
He shows that the proper concept of the Millennium is consistent with Catholic teaching, and can be traced back to the earliest Church Fathers. This view is derived solely from Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. No visionaries or private revelations are cited (making this book unique in Catholic circles among books that discuss the end times).
To summarize very briefly, there will be two tribulations, two triumphs, two remnants and two kingdoms. One set of these events occurs at the beginning of the Millennium, and the other at its end.
Fr. Iannuzzi makes no predictions as to actual dates and times.
However, in salvation history, four thousand years preceded Christ, and two thousand years have followed upon his birth. The next thousand years would be the seventh thousand, or the seventh day, the Sabbath day rest. Hence this period may very well be the millennial period. After the end of the seventh day, comes the eighth or eternal day of God's everlasting kingdom. However, we do not know for sure if the thousand years is to be taken literally, nor for sure when it will begin.
In scripture, the Day of the Lord refers to the whole seventh day, or the whole thousand-year period. The Millennium is the period of peace which marks the peak of this Day. The defeat of Antichrist will herald the beginning of the Millennium, or thousand year spiritual reign of Christ. The binding of Satan for a thousand years is also at the beginning of the Millennium.
The reign of Jesus during the Millennium will be a Eucharistic reign.
Jesus will not come in the flesh to begin the Millennium, but will come in spirit and power. To say that Jesus will come in the flesh for the thousand years is the heresy of Millenarianism. To say that He will come in the flesh for a thousand years and establish a 'sensual' kingdom of carnal banquets is the heresy of Chiliasm.
The end of the Millennium is marked by the final defeat of Satan (Gog, Magog period). The Rapture or gathering up with Christ refers to the final judgement, and will be at the end of the millennial period, not at its beginning.
The end of the seventh day is the end of time, and the beginning of eternity, or the eighth day of eternal rest, the eternal kingdom of God.
Thus there are then two separate tribulations, one at the beginning of the day (Antichrist), and one at the end of the day (Satan), the 'great' tribulation. There are two remnants, the Christian survivors of each of the two tribulations. There are two triumphs - the first triumph heralds the Temporal Kingdom and the second triumph heralds the Eternal Kingdom.
The book goes into detail about the characteristics of these two Kingdoms, the information coming from the same sources he uses throughout: Scripture, Church Fathers and Doctors, and the Magisterium.

 

From the book www.godspeakswillyou.listen.org

10-05-07 My son I want you to do the following things for your Lord and Master:
1. Trust in me only for 100% of your family’s needs: physical and spiritual.
2. Study my word. It will be your means of survival. Stop studying the things of this world.
3. Live your life like mine and my Mother Mary. Make all your activities a witness to others of my divine life residing in your soul.
4. Do not believe the lies of Satan. Quote my word to him. He cannot stand the truth. Memorize especially the 10 commandments and the two great commandments.
5. Continue to go to confession and receive the Holy Eucharist.
6. Let your whole life be a life of prayer. While at work, with your family, and studying my words. Allow me to be a part of all your activities.

You have been blessed and given the graces to endure the trials, temptations and deception to come your way. My peace be with you. Remember, your family has been entrusted by my Father, to my mother Mary for your care and protection. I am always with you and will never leave you now or in eternity. I will warn you once more. Let go of your attachment to worldly goods, for great changes are coming to your family and all my faithful. It will seem as if the ungodly do prosper. For the ungodly will only prosper by taking the mark of the beast to their eternal damnation. My faithful will receive all their needs from God Almighty. Remember my message to you from 4/07. Elijah and the widow of Sareptha survived for 3 1/2 years only by my divine grace and intervention. So it will be with you and your family.

To answer a question for you: all who take the mark of the beast are forever cast into hell. This is what my word states. This will occur because mankind will be warned not to follow Satan and the antichrist. By rejecting the warning, you are rejecting God’s mercy and incurring his divine justice. Never before in history has a generation received such graces. Only at the general judgment is an ungodly soul aware of his sin committed against my commandments. But the warning will occur where every soul will experience a preview of their judgment if it had occurred at that instant. Then each soul will be given an opportunity to repent. Mercy will stop for many because all flesh will truly know I exist.

After the warning, by accepting the mark of the beast, you will be condemned to hell because you have rejected my mercy in its fullest expression. My son, I give you a private prophecy. Share it at my leading. The Antichrist is rising to power as I speak to you. He is hidden until revealed according to my Father’s will. Many natural disasters have and will continue to occur. Then you will experience the warning. After the warning, rejecting my mercy will cause you to take the mark of the beast. You will then experience the abomination of desolation and a fierce persecution of my faithful Catholics by: lukewarm Catholics, Protestants who are apostate and the followers of the Antichrist. After my two witnesses battle the forces of Satan, you will see my two witnesses killed and taken up into heaven. Woe to those who are alive during those days. Without my mercy, no flesh would survive. My Father’s wrath will be unleashed on the ungodly and sinner. I will then, with the brightness of my coming, cast the Antichrist and his followers into hell forever.

As a result, the world will experience 3 days of darkness and my creation purified of evil. Nature and my people will be healed. Then my son, the era of peace will take place where my faithful will be resurrected and rewarded in the first resurrection. My faithful will receive glorified bodies. Those who survive the days of tribulation will be able to live out their lives in peace. Once this era of peace is over, Satan will attack my New Jerusalem, the church, as the Prince of Gog inEzekiel 38, 39. The length of time of the era of peace has not been revealed to mankind.

 

Fatima,

"To answer a question for you: all who take the mark of the beast are forever cast into hell. This is what my word states. This will occur because mankind will be warned not to follow Satan and the antichrist. By rejecting the warning, you are rejecting God’s mercy and incurring his divine justice. Never before in history has a generation received such graces. Only at the general judgment is an ungodly soul aware of his sin committed against my commandments."

This does not seem to be correct w/r/t the Church's view of the particular and the general judgment. Right after you die, I think, you see your life and your sins and how they you helped or hurt others. in the particular judgment. At the general/Last Judgment, all people and all history is reviewed and we receive our new and eternal bodies. So at death we will see how we have offended God and his commandments.

 

Hog.
Wash.

We will receive glorified bodies at the end of time. Not before. Also, they will be immortal and not be capable of pain:

http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Prayer/Prayer_057.htm

"This means that the glorified body will not only be Immortal, because it will never die again, it will also Not be subject to pain. Why not? Because death and bodily pain are the consequences of sin. On the day of resurrection, our glorified bodies would experience the reward for patience endurance of bodily pain on earth. This reward is, to say the least, a painless eternity."


A reminder to those still reading this thread, that despite claims to the contrary there are indeed items in the messages that range from puzzling, to mildly concerning, to out and out contrary to Church teachings and traditions. A very partial list discussed so far:

- These messages say the Christina Gallagher is a legitimate seer (!)

- These messages also speak approvingly of Garabandal, problematic for some, but they also contradict Christina Gallagher (WW3) in some aspects.

- Messages claim that all baptised are "spiritual babies" and consequently God will not lose any that are His and will take the home while still in the state of grace.

- Messages teach that we will receive glorified bodies before the final persecution of the Church.

- Messenger was a witch who
admitted consecrated himself to a demon (!). Has not submitted to proper ecclesiastical authority.


Fatima - believe them if you will, but don't keep stating that they are in line with the doctrine and tradition of the Church. They have been shown to be no such thing.

All - be cautioned, these messages have grave concerns for the faithful.

 

Best rule of thumb for unapproved apparitions or restricted or condemned apparitions is to stay FAR AWAY. If Verne is legit then God will sort it out. In the mean time I give it a wide berth.

 

Frodo ...

To your first point: "We will receive glorified bodies at the end of time. Not before. Also, they will be immortal and not be capable of pain": The Church has never defined that "we will ONLY receive glorified bodies at the last judgment. It has defined that all humans will receive a body at the general judgment to burn and add to ones pain in hell if one died apart of God's grace or to be glorified in and through our bodies in heaven for all eternity. However, we know with certainty that #1> Adam and Eve were created with glorified bodies. Death, as we heard in last Sunday's readings was not of God's plan. Once Adam and Eve sinned, death came to the once glorified body, which was until then living in the Divine Will. Secondly, we know the Blessed Mother who was conceived in the Divine Will and died in the Divine Will also lives in a glorified body. So we know from this that it was always God's plan for us to live in the Divine Will with a glorified body.

#2>, We know through the writings (36 volumes) of Luisa Piccaretta that it is God's will for us today to live once again in the Divine Will. It was sin that removed the gift of having glorified bodies. After the great tribulation is through, who is to say that those who survived through the grace of God, won't be the ones who were open to living in the Divine Will? Those who after the Warning repented had said yes to God's will, but lacking in the formation of the one true faith. We clearly see in Rev: 20:4 that the martyred saints live with Jesus on earth for 1000 years (a figurative time) during the era of peace. Why would they not be the ones, in glorified bodies, to instruct the faithful left on earth as Verne's message states? Nothing in church teaching or scripture contradicts this possibility.

This brings me to the next point. In Verne's messages in the book www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org He was given four messages that spoke of the glorified bodies that you reject (5-14-07, 6-27-07, 10-5-07, 10-23-07). The first two are clearly within Catholic explicit teaching, as they refer to all saints receiving glorified bodies after the last judgment or the general judgment. Now we have Verne's 10-5-07 message: After my two witnesses battle the forces of Satan, you will see my two witnesses killed and taken up into heaven. Woe to those who are alive during those days. Without my mercy, no flesh would survive. My Father’s wrath will be unleashed on the ungodly and sinner. I will then, with the brightness of my coming, cast the antichrist and his followers into hell forever (Revelations 20:1-5). As a result, the world will experience 3 days of darkness and my creation purified of evil. Nature and my people will be healed. Then my son, the era of peace will take place where my faithful will be resurrected and rewarded in the first resurrection. My faithful will receive glorified bodies. Those who survive the days of tribulation will be able to live out their lives in peace. Once this era of peace is over, Satan will attack my New Jerusalem, the church, as the Prince of Gog inEzekiel 38, 39. The length of time of the era of peace has not been revealed to mankind.

Who are My Faithful in Verne's message?

Two weeks after the previous message, speaking about glorified bodies, Verne gets more clarification that it is God's saints who received these glorified bodies and not necessarily those who survived the reign of the Antichrist. Message 10-23-07: This first resurrection occurs in the era of peace. My saints will be resurrected and receive glorified bodies and walk among my people, teaching and instructing the Catholic faith.

Who are My Saints in Verne's message? Now we turn to scripture for the answer. Rev: 20:4 And I saw seats, and they sat upon them: and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his mark on their foreheads or their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. There you have it. It seems highly probable to me that it is those martyrs during the time of the Antichrist and False Prophet who return in glorified bodies to evangelize those who survived the great period. Nothing contrary to scripture or church teaching in this! Verne's messages on the glorified bodies may well be ground breaking revelation in this regard. Needless to say, according to scripture these "saints" that Verne was given in his message are with Jesus for the era of peace that scripture speaks of as 1000 years, while Jesus returns in spirit to be with us his people on earlth. Also, we see that Frodo's claim that these - "Messages teach that we will receive glorified bodies before the final persecution of the Church" is blatanly false. Clearly Verne's messages teach that these glorified bodies come after the fall of the Antichrist, but before the end of the world, or the 1000 years that scripture speaks of when Satan is loosed one more time before he is defeated and thrown into hell for all eternity.

What I have just provide shows Frodo's confusion when he stated, "A reminder to those still reading this thread, that despite claims to the contrary there are indeed items in the messages that range from puzzling, to mildly concerning, to out and out contrary to Church teachings and traditions. A very partial list discussed so far". Nothing in Verne's messages goes against Church teaching or scripture and any objective person will acknowledge this.

Frodo also assumes he understands what " spiritual babies" is referring to in Verne's messages when he said: " Messages claim that all baptised are "spiritual babies" and consequently God will not lose any that are His and will take the home while still in the state of grace". Verne's messages did not speak of "all baptized are spiritual babies" (another lie). Verne's messages spoke of spiritual babies in referring to those who after the Warning accept Christ, but many have not been taught the faith well enough to survive the period of the Antichrist and False Prophet that follows. Jesus say's many of these spiritual babies will be taken home so as to not loose their souls during this period. A merciful God desires the salvation of all.

Now on to Fodo's other confusions/lies. He said: These messages say the Christina Gallagher is a legitimate seer (!) - These messages also speak approvingly of Garabandal, problematic for some, but they also contradict Christina Gallagher (WW3) in some aspects. Verne's messages did not mention Garabandal another lie (although I and Saints Padre Pio, Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa all believe in Garabandal). His messages say nothing about a WW3 and that is another lie.

Verne's messages did not endorse Christina, but part of a message did mentioned her House of Prayer as follows: My messenger Christina Gallagher has a mission to establish my Mother's houses of prayer. Those who are trying to fulfill her mission for her, are stumbling blocks and need to repent of their sin, for you are interrupting my work. I don't know much about Christina, but I do know some good and holy Catholics who have prayed in these 'house of prayers' and I am sure God is pleased with that.

And to Frodo's last complaint. A very unmerciful complaint against how Verne was raised outside the Catholic faith as follows: - Messenger was a witch who admitted consecrated himself to a demon (!). Yes, prior to his conversion to Catholicism in joining the Church and marrying his wife he was in the occult. St. Paul murdered Christians and found God's mercy. St. Augustine was a into all kinds of fornication and grave sins and found God's mercy. But some how Frodo doesn't think God has the desire or the ability to bring someone out of the occult and into his grace. Well, this speaks allot about Frodo and his contempt for Verne and his messages in the book www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org

I have asked for anyone to show where they can find even one error in matters of our Catholic doctrine or scripture in Verne's messages and this is what I get. Lies and contempt for a man of God who came into the Church not asking to be a messenger of God and not creating a book to promote himself, but it was his good and holy friend Cletus who felt called by God to put Verne's messages into a book, which Cletus then paid for and gave out 20,000 books free of charge to anyone who wanted to read on God Speaks Will You Listen

 

Fatima,

You say this from the messages,

"We clearly see in Rev: 20:4 that the martyred saints live with Jesus on earth for 1000 years (a figurative time) during the era of peace. Why would they not be the ones, in glorified bodies, to instruct the faithful left on earth as Verne's message states? Nothing in church teaching or scripture contradicts this possibility."

Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about the resurrection of the body,

999 How? Christ is raised with his own body: "See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself";551 but he did not return to an earthly life. So, in him, "all of them will rise again with their own bodies which they now bear," but Christ "will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body," into a "spiritual body"552

1001 When? Definitively "at the last day," "at the end of the world."555 Indeed, the resurrection of the dead is closely associated with Christ's Parousia. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven, with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. and the dead in Christ will rise first.556

The Catechism itself contradicts your claim.

The writings of Luisa Piccaretta are not a universally accepted statement of Catholic faith and doctrine. You cannot use them to prove your points. They are still being examined, there is no Church authorized English translation, and the archbishop of Trani says any study of Luisa be done in communion with the local ordinary (EWTN expert answers column end of 2017).

And if Verne says God calls Christina Gallagher "my messenger," then he is accepting her as authentic. But the archbishop of Tuam says,
"In summary the ‘House of Prayer’ has no Church approval and the work does not enjoy the confidence of the diocesan authorities." (EWTN expert answers, latest report.)

If you do not accept the word of the Catechism, you are not in obedience to the Catholic Church. Please do not accuse people who point this out as being liars! You said if anyone pointed out a problem you would ask Padraig to close the thread. You should honestly do that.

 

This thread is yet another example of why this website is great. This is why. I don't believe the author received these messages from God, but I also believe a Bishop's immediate approval is not essential to constitute the legitimacy of the message.

 

Christi, What you are speaking to from the CCC 1001 deals with the Church teaching on the final resurrection at the end of the world and not the period after the reign of the Antichrist and False prophet, which is what I was speaking to. The Era of Peace that Rev 20:1-10 is speaking to. The Church does not definitively speak to the scripture passage, but a consensus of Catholic prophecy does.

Verne's messages also spoke about the period at the end of the world that you speak of from the CCC 552, 556 at the general judgement . 6/27/07 In the beginning, my Father created Adam and Eve with a body and soul. But sin brought death into the world. At death, your body and soul are separated. I myself experienced this, but at my resurrection, I received a glorified body. To this day I am true-God and true-man. I have a glorified body and a soul. This is my promise to my faithful. I will raise you up in the last day. At the last judgment, all of mankind will be resurrected and be reunited both body and soul. My word tells you that you will be judged by those deeds you did in the body. Some will have glorified bodies like mine and my Mother’s and other’s will have the bodies of those condemned to eternal damnation.If you do not have my life within you during this life, you will not have my life within you at the last judgment. I will say to you, I NEVER KNEW YOU. I will not recognize my life within you and neither will my Father.

The catechism does not contradict my claim as you say, because you are not speaking to the period or era of peace after the reign of the Antichrist and False Prophet (Revelations 20:1-10) , rather you are quoting what the Church teaches about the last judgement at the end of the world.

It is not only Luisa who speaks of the Kingdom of the Divine Will, but fits well within the prophetic consensus of Catholic prophecy. Father Gobbi's blue book messages, with double imprimatur (which you are looking for), speaks often of this period of the Divine Will and the period of the Era of Peace, again, which Revelations 20 speak too and the Church does not authoritatively speak to. The points that I spoke of that Frodo made up were lies, so don't give him credit where it is not due. If you don't believe me, then go to the search option on www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org and find me where GSWYL speaks of Garabandal, where GSWYL say's all baptized are "spiritual babies: which he claimed it said, or where it spoke of WW3 as he claimed. If we are to have a rational discussion on the end times, then one has to speak on the same subject and not assume the Church has spoken on these areas authoritatively, because they have not always done so and they won't till after the fact. But, there is a consensus of private Catholic prophecy in the past 100 years that have spoken to this and that is where Verne's messages give substance to the debate. Some have imprimatur as some suggest is necessary, but that does not sway their thoughts, even if it has imprimatur.

I accept every word of the Catholic Catechism, which you speak of and am 100% in line with all the Church speaks of authoritatively. I just happen to believe scripture when it teaches Amos 3:7 "For surely the Lord God does nothing without reveling his messages through his prophets". This he is doing and has done since creation. This is how God said he would speak to us in the Old Testament and the New Testament and the Church is not opposed to private prophecy, but very slow to speak to it, as in Garabandal and Medjugorje and numerous others.

 

But do you not see a definite danger here, Fatima? A danger of going where the Protestants go, in equating a favorite, beloved ministry, person, author, or speaker claiming inspiration with God Himself? Why do you think there are so many Protestant sects? A great many of them sprang up overnight, with an individual claiming divine authority, claiming a message, claiming to be a prophet, or in possession of some hidden, newly restored knowlege (Luther, Mary Baker Eddy, various Pentecostal movements). That is scary. And easier than one might think. The Catholic Church is a beautiful, brilliant, Holy safety net, umbrella, fortress, and haven. If She in her authority has not spoken on a message, it is best not to insist that the alleged seer is authentic.

 

garcia, danger? Of course there will be false prophets, Jesus warned us of that. But, the only danger in prophecy is when one is looking at it outside of Church teaching and scripture. Prophecy is how God chose to speak to the prophets in the old testament and how Jesus said he would speak to his faithful to the end of time. For instance, Protestants are looking for Jesus to return in the flesh and walk with them. This is the error/heresy of millenarianism. Some Catholics look at Jesus return only at the end of the world immediately after the Antichrist. This is an error as well, because they leave out Revelations 19 and 20, which speak of a period or era of peace where Jesus returns for 1000 years with saints who were martyred during the reign of the Antichrist and after the era of peace Satan is loosed one more time at the end of the world to do battle with the faithful in Christ (Rev: 20 1-5). The official church teachings are mostly silent on this period, but a consensus of Catholic messages, including those with imprimatur, speak of the reign of the Antichrist in a very near future, defeated, thrown into hell with the False Prophet and the era of peace spoken of in Revelations 20 begins. Many Catholics also reject the fulfillment of the Lords Prayer, where "his will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven", which Catholic messengers call the era of the Divine Will, the 1000 years of peace where Jesus returns in spirit in his Eucharistic reign and the Era of Peace, which both scripture and our Lady of Fatima spoke of. The danger you speak of is in not understanding what the prophetic consensus has been in Catholic eschatology in the past century or more. Many if not most are still stuck in old Catholic thinking, believing that Jesus only returns at the end of the world to judge it immediately after the era of the Antichrist.

 

garcia,

As one who spent over thirteen active years in the Charismatic Renewal and exercised the gift of prophecy (in submission to the leaders of the specific prayer group to which I belonged), I have seen both encouragement and confusion result in relation to this gift in my area of New York. So too, near the time of Babylonian Exile, Jeremiah went up against the false prophet, Hananiah. It is not always clear in the years surrounding any particular prophet or prophecy, whether it is authentic or not. Though Jeremiah is now looked upon as one of the greats, at the time of his conflict with Hananiah, it was the latter who was initially favored. Today, the mechanisms of the Church are not geared toward quick appraisals and it's only when sufficient "noise" is made, that the Church would even bother to do so. Akita is the one exception I can think of.

The prophecies of Fatima, Garabandal, and Medjugorje, will soon reach the end of their rope in regard to the determination of their fulfillment/authenticity. I think GSWYL falls into the same time frame. I advice patience. If GSWYL has helped deepen any of MOG's members in their commitment to loving God and growing in holiness, let it be so. We all agree the Storm is upon us. The particulars of Our Lady's Triumph will be realized soon enough. In the meantime...

As far as Protestantism is concerned, it is not quite the same animal. It is its adherence to sola scriptura that is the chief cause for its perpetual splintering.

Let us lean on the two Hearts, pray, and love both truth and one another.

1 Cor 13:8 Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect; 10 but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away.

Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!

 

On Pride www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org

10/28/06
My child you must come before me with humility or I cannot use you. Is there any reason for you to be proud? This is an area where you need much work. There are two examples of humility for you to follow myself and my Blessed Mother. How was I humble? I am your creator and the author of all life. I am God almighty. Yet I humbled myself because of my love for you and all humanity. Please contemplate the following. I am the creator of all that is seen and unseen. Yet I am who am alive both now and forever chose to limit myself and be born as a human being, subjecting myself to the physical laws of your world. Think of humility. Where do you have reason for pride oh man? Then I humbled myself and allowed you my creation to persecute me, crucify me and experience death for you, who am eternal to show my love for you.

This is your example of humility. Read Philippians 2:5-11. If I your Lord and master humbled myself for your salvation, what right have you my creation to be prideful? Yet you have a free will. Beware pride has been the downfall of many including my angels before you.You think you are so intelligent as modern man. I might ask you some questions. If you can do any of the following you might have a reason to stand in my presence. Where were you when I formed the stars and your planet earth? Where were you when I designed the atoms and molecules of the universe? When I designed the genetics of your body? Who created the laws of the universe that keeps your planet revolving around the sun? Who provided the raw materials for you to grow food and make things like your cars and homes? Everything you are and have I created. You oh man cannot create. Can you create something out of nothing? The answers to these questions are no. Therefore, you have no reason for pride in my sight. All the evils in your world come from pride. Ecclesiasticus10:14,15. By rejecting my laws and committing sin, you are telling your God you know more than I do. Beware of pride.

If I your God was humble, what excuse do you have for pride. I can only work through you if you submit to my will and humble yourself. God resisteth the proud and giveth grace to the humble. James 4:6. If you are proud, you block my graces to you and cannot hear my voice. As the days get darker, only those who hear my voice will have peace in their hearts. Contemplate my humility often. My love is so great for you that I humbled myself even further. I gave you my body, blood, soul and divinity present in the Eucharist, knowing many would commit sacrileges against me. If after truly contemplating these things, you are still proud, then you need to fall on your knees and beg for my mercy. For it is my love, mercy and humility for my children that allows this sinful generation in which you live to escape my chastisement everyday. You should have been punished long ago. Now my child, contemplate my humility often and you will obtain victory over your sin of pride. Remember my words in John15:5 “I am the vine: you the branches. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing". My peace be with you.

 

More on Pride and the Divine Will, which we can all share in.

04/18/18
Verne, I want you to write and meditate on these words:
1. "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me". Revelations 3:20.
2. Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.” John 14:23.
3. What agreement has the temple of god with idols? For we are the temple of the living God. as God said, “I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore come out from them and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty. Since we have these promises, let us cleanse ourselves form every defilement of body and spirit and make holiness perfect in the fear of God". 2 Corinthians 6:16-7:1.

Each soul in sanctifying grace is the temple of the Holy Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is the fulfillment of the Divine Will: to live and dwell in the soul of every person. Your free will either says: Yes or No, to the Divine Will. The Divine Will cannot dwell in the midst of mortal sin. Your temple must be holy for the indwelling of the Divine Will. But as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct; since its is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy”. I Peter 1:16, and strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. Hebrews 12:14. Remember in Mark 11:15-17 and John 2:15-17, with holy zeal, I cast the money changers from my Father’s temple. This fulfilled Psalms 69:9, For zeal for thy house has consumed me. I also said, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations? But you have made it a den of robbers.” Mark 11:17.

Verne, I am asking you through confession and repentance to allow me to cast out the money changers in your life. The sins of pride, lying, gossiping, lust, detraction, and calumny are abominations in my sight. You must surrender your temple completely to my Divine Will or you will not obtain victory over these sins. Your pride prevents you, from living in my divine will. For the scripture states: The beginning of man’s pride is to depart from the Lord; his heart has forsaken his Maker. For the beginning of pride is sin and the man who clings to it pours out abominations. Sirach 10:12,13. This is the sin which blocks my graces in your soul. This is the sin of your generation. All the sins of your generation have grown, as limbs on the tree of pride. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Matthew 3:10.

To enter my seventh day of creation, you must allow the removal of the tree of pride from your life. Pride caused the downfall of Lucifer and if no repentance is done, pride will cause the downfall of your generation. How thou art fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning?. And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God…I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the most high. But yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, into the depth of the pit. Isaias 14:12-15. (DRB) Then they said,”Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.” Genesis 11:4. Thus says the Lord, Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ Now these things happened to them as a warning, but they were written down for our instruction, upon whom the end of the ages has come. I Corinthians 11:11.

Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is the name of the beast or the number of its name. Revelations 13:16,17. Verne, what shall cause mankind to take the mark of the beast? It will be the sin of pride and the rejection of the humility of the Divine Will. Your generation repeats the sins of the past by proclaiming, “We will not walk in it.” Without repentance, each day draws closer the events described in sacred scripture. Verne, you must pray to my Mother Mary for the graces to overcome your pride or you may take the mark of the beast and spend eternity in hell. You have been given many graces. Do not allow your pride to block my grace. Only those who are truly humble before their God, will receive the graces of my Divine Will and gain entrance into the seventh and eighth day of creation. Satan is trying to sift you, my church , and my faithful. “ behold Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail, and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.” Luke 22:31. Verne, I am praying for you and all of humanity at each sacrifice of the mass. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. I Timothy 2:5. I Corinthians 10:12, Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall. In the past, pride has caused you to fall from grace. Without repentance, you could fall from grace again. Verne, I plead with you to allow my precious blood to remove the sin of pride from your life, before the test appears.