Prophesy - GSWYL

Good News from Corato: On Friday, July 6, 2018, I was informed by the president of Association Luisa Piccarreta, Mr. Michael Colonna, that on June 30 he and Fr. Sergio Pellegrini had gone to the Vatican. He said that the Typical Edition of the Volumes of the Book of Heaven had been completed and that all the specialists who had worked on the Typical Edition signed a declaration that there were no errors or omissions in their translations.

He added that Fr. Sergio wanted to take a couple of weeks to check things over concerning the Typical Edition to his satisfaction and would then turn everything over to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in anticipation for an eventual imprimatur from the Vatican.

While at the Vatican Mr. Colonna met the postulator of Luisa's Cause, who is pushing to get Luisa's Beatification accomplished by the end of 2019.

 

But it is not about Fr. Ripperger but about how the Church discerns prophecy, Fr. Ripperger may be right or wong in his conclusion about any particular set of messages/messengers, the Church has not spoken yet on Medjugorje, that is different from the way/method the Church uses to examine these messengers. There are guidelines the Vatican published. They look at the messenger's personal life and holiness, whether the person is believable, if there are any "red flags" in their lives/messages. With Verne there are many red flags, and also things that do not agree with the Catechism, like people getting glorified bodies before the Last Judgement (except the Blessed Mother).

Padraig, you say the Blessed Mother wanted this forum set up and inspired you to do so. If your bishop contacted you and said he did not like some of the content and thought the Church would be better served if you closed the forum would you do it?

 

It is a discussion forum. Rhetorical questions are a waste of time.

 

Garabandal, That is like saying, "Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the war room!" (from my favorite movie). The whole forum is about discussing rhetorical questions!

But it is a serious question, again, about submitting to the authority of the bishops, our shepherds, who are tasked to look at all alleged messages from Heaven, especially by those claiming to be Catholic, and judging them according to the Truth of the Church. It is a question about GSWYL, which has not been submitted to the Church, but which claims to speak directly to the people from God Himself.

It is also a question for Padraig, who questions the validity of the Holy Father. Would Padraig listen to his own bishop if the bishop asked him to do something directly? Something that is in the bishop's "job description"? The real question is, should messengers and people who say they are inspired by Heaven submit to the authority of those placed in authority on Earth? Are they obedient to their shepherds?

 

Going around in circles, Christy
This is not a fencing match

 

I would take it as a Sign from God and close it at once. That does not mean that I would think the Bishop was right, but I would take it as the voice of the Church. The Voice of the Church being the WIll of God.
I awlaysd thought Padre Pio was such a good example on such matters. The Vatican and Church Authorities pretty well tortured the poor guy and he was always obedient. That didn't make the guys who, for instance bugged his confession box or spread scandal about him right however.

Funny how you seem to swerve from the subject of Verne to that of myself when I defend him. A case of play the ball, not the player?

Well anyway.

The reason why I cited Fr Ropperger was that you yourself cited him as an Authority on such matters and I responded in a like manner.

As to other matters regarding Verne, others have responded and are responding, I refer you to these, I don't feel the need to do a rehash.

 

Thanks for the update.

I look forward to reading the eventual approved/revised translation, hopefully the problematic elements in her messages will then be resolved.

Until that time however, I'm not aware of any lifting of the prohibition against the distributing/promoting of the faulty English translations.

 

Frodo,
We are allowed to read and study the other translations. The prohibition was strictly for the selling and promoting of the others while awaiting the critical edition to be completed. If I can find my letter from the Archbishop regarding this, I will post it here. The translations done by Marina, who lived in the same area as Luisa and knows the dialect, I feel are the best, which Fr. Bucci (if you know of him) has also told us. I have been reading Luisa's volumes for over 20 years and know in my heart that these writings are from God. I pray that once the critical edition is in print for all to read, that you will read them. These writings are for all who wish to live in the Divine Will - "Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven." Fiat!

 

Thank you, Padraig. So many people pushing their "messenger" say they don't need to pay attention to what a bishop says! So many false messengers do not pay attention to the Church and their followers don't honor the Church.

 

If I had said I would not obey my Bishop you would have been after me like a Ferret down a rabbit hole.

Any , 'Visionary', or supposed, 'Mystic', who does not obey the Church is by definiton, false.

Again; I wonder how the conversation has veered round to myself, Christy? Quite a veer?


Matthew 23:2

Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: 2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.…

 

The above teachings of GSWYL is in contradiction with the Catholic Catechism.

The Catholic Catechism states.....

1001 When will souls be in reunion with their glorified bodies? Definitively "at the last day," "at the end of the world."555 Indeed, the resurrection of the dead is closely associated with Christ's Parousia:

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven, with a cry of command, with the call, and with the sound of the God. and the dead in Christ will rise first.556

Risen with Christ

1002 Christ will raise us up "on the last day"; but it is also true that, in a certain way, we have already risen with Christ. For, by virtue of the Holy Spirit, Christian life is already now on earth a participation in the death andResurrection of Christ:

And you were buried with him in Baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead .... If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.557

 

Padraig, nothing mysterious, you quoted my earlier response, so I answered about Fr. Ripperger and then went back to the basic topic, which to my mind is about bishops, and asked how you would handle an issue with them.

 

I believe Louisa Picarretta writings are very dangerous and have the capacity to lead souls to accept erroneous ideas.

I firmly agree with the below letter of Father John Hardon and his analysis of Lousia Piccarreta writings.

Letter to Catholics United for the Faith
from Father John A. Hardon, S.J.

Mr. James Likoudis
Catholics United for the Faith
827 N. 4th St.
Steubenville, OH 43952


Dear Mr. Likoudis,

This is a concise reply to your request for my evaluation of the "The Kingdom of the Divine Will" movement. What follows is a summary of the conclusions that I reached after reading a great deal of the writings of Luisa Piccarreta.

In my judgment, the underlying premises of Luisa's writings are not consistent with the magisterial teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. Thus she claims that all that we have to do is abandon our own will to the Divine Will, which can be found everywhere. There is an emphasis on complete passivity of the soul in Luisa's writings. The result is a promotion of Quietism, which was condemned by the Church in the 17th century.


Luisa's writings openly promote the idea that she has received a new revelation. The faithful must accept this revelation to achieve the new way of holiness which equates the sanctity of Luisa Piccarreta with the sanctity of the Mother of God.

According to Luisa, once a person receives this "new sacrament" of the Divine Will, the human will, in effect, acts in such a way that the action is purely divine. This basic error was taught in the early centuries of Christianity and became a cardinal principle of the absolute predestination of such founders of Protestantism as John Calvin.

If necessary, I shall be happy to provide further and more detailed analysis of the writings of Luisa Piccarreta. For the present, I will only quote from the formal letter of His Excellency, Andrew J. McDonald, Bishop of Little Rock, Arkansas. He wrote to Father James E. Mancini, "By this letter, I forbid either the public or the private promotion of the Kingdom of the Divine Will Movement in the Diocese of Little Rock." The bishop's letter was dated November 26, 1997.

Recently Mr. Thomas Fay(sic), American promoter of the Kingdom of the Divine Will, came to visit me in Detroit where we spent several hours in conversation. I told him this movement needs to be very carefully analyzed by objective experts in theology and evaluated for its authenticity. I also told him that I would be available to assist in this evaluation.

Be assured of my special prayers for you, your family, and co-workers in the Catholics United for the Faith.

Sincerely Yours in Christ,

(Signed)

John A. Hardon, S.J.

 

Respectfully, that is just not the case.

The link previously provided has all the documentation stating otherwise, as well as a first hand account of the hand delivery of the letters.

I know you had your own battle with EWTN in the past, but their documentation and reputation are stellar.

I'd suggest moving the discussion over to the Divine Will thread, there are serious questions about Verne's messages that I dont want to obscure.

I'm hoping they are addressed here and not ignored.

 

Yes I follewed the discussion carefully, though thanks for reprising it.

I just wondered how you switched so suddenly from the subject of Verne to the subject of me?

But never mind, I will leave it.

 

The reason for my postings regarding the writings of the Book of Heaven is because someone had posted something on this thread about Luisa, so I felt I should make an attempt to set things straight. I will be posting on the "Divine Will" thread from now on for those interested in learning about this "New and Divine Holiness" (living in the Divine Will) - those are the words of Pope John Paul II - not mine. Enough said. Fiat!

 

I was going to say that about some of the bishops today

 

Lynne, this great news. God always comes through for his servants and it will be so with Luisa and her writings on the Divine Will that God wants his Church to understand and enter into his kingdom through. Thanks for sharing.

 

Messages on the Divine Will www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org

08/06/07 A.M.
My son I am the second person of the Holy Trinity. How did I come to earth? By the power of the Holy Spirit and the fiat of the Blessed Virgin Mary. My son, it is my desire for my divine will to be replicated through my divine lives in the lives of my children. This takes place by the same process as I was brought to this earth. My word tells you that you are to be transformed into the image of Jesus Christ. This is only accomplished by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit and the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary. There is no other way. My Holy Spirit and my Blessed Mother Mary are the means through which my divine lives are replicated in my children. Remember the multiplication of the loaves and fishes in my word.

So my son, my divine lives are multiplied in souls with sanctifying grace. This is the triumph of the humility of my will. My son, let the humility of my will permeate your heart, soul and mind. I prayed to my Father in John 17:21: That they all may be one, as thou Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Further I taught my disciples: Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

My son, when my divine life transforms you into my image and likeness, the fulfillment of my Father’s creation is accomplished. For my Father created mankind in his image and likeness. Sins destroys the image and likeness of my Father. The replication of my divine life into your soul renews or recreates my Father’s image in your soul. Thus my son, my Father’s kingdom is established in each soul in sanctifying grace. The soul in sanctifying grace is the replication of my divine life. Now my son, you begin to understand my Father’s plan. Each time you interact with another person, you bring my divine life to their soul. The humility of my will speaks, acts and thinks through you. This way my Father’s kingdom is established one soul at a time. This is one reason why the loss of one soul is so painful for Us, the Holy Trinity. It is the loss of one of our divine lives for eternity. The end of human history will come, when the number of divine lives fulfills my Father’s will. Your world was created for the glory of my Father and the multiplication of our divine lives in our children. But sin entered the picture and I, Jesus Christ, was the remedy for sin and the fulfillment of my Father’s plan for his children. I bring my divine life to my children and my children return to their Father.

When you, my child, speak my words in the humility of my will, you will bear much fruit for my kingdom. But speak in pride and my will is blocked and fruit will be sparse or worse no fruit will be borne at all. These concepts are important for my children to understand. The sacraments are the ways to receive my divine will. The humility of my will you receive in all the sacraments. It is my humility that allows you to receive my divine will or graces. Spread these words to my people. My Father desires to live in and with his children. The day will come my son, when all creation will bring perfect honor and glory to my Father. The replication or multiplication of my divine lives will end and I will hand over to my Father his children who are truly made in his image and likeness.The Our Father prayer will have been fulfilled. The challenge for you today is to realize each day you can be transformed into my divine image and likeness and bring about the fulfillment of my Father’s kingdom. It is not by your strength or might, but by my spirit says the Lord. The words of the Lord.



08/06/07 P.M.
My son, ponder on these words. There is much for you to learn. Ponder on my will. It is my will, which creates and sustains all life in all ages and forever in eternity.Humility is my will and my will is humility. Do you realize the humility involved in the gift of freewill? I could have forced you my son and all my people to serve me. I am the creator. It is my right to decree how my creation will serve me. But meditate on my humility. In my humility, I allow you my children to love me or reject me. It is my will that all men be saved. But not all men will be saved. My humility allows you to make a free will choice. I did not create robots, but loving children. This is the only instance m yson where a human will is greater than my own will. I will all to be saved. But many of my children reject my will and will be eternally condemned. The humility of my will is to difficult for mankind to accept.

I give all humans the same test. Come to your God and savior with your freewill or in your pride reject my humility and suffer eternally. This is the simplicity of my will. To repeat, my will is humility, which I freely give to you. Pride is the rejection of my humility and my will and will bring you into eternal suffering. Choose wisely. It really is this simple. I love you, but will not force myself on you.

My will and humility will be done on earth as it is in heaven. My era of peace will be the manifestation of my Divine will and humility intersecting heaven and earth in a way not previously experienced, since the fall of mankind. Only the humble who reside in the will of my humility, will enter my era of peace. The rest of humanity will either enter hell or be purified in the fires of purgatory of their false will and pride. Humans are the one part of my creation that rebels against my will. Through the renewal of creation, humanity will once again live in the humility of my will as I intend. Truly, then God will once more walk with his people in his Divine will. Time is a limitation of the human mind. In my will, there are no limitations. Practice and learn the humility of my will today. T

Those who have not accepted the humility of my will, will not enter my era of peace. As I told you, purgatory or hell will be their destiny. It takes time to learn to submit to the humility of my will. With the coming purification, those who are still prideful will suffer the most.The humble will see my hand in the events and rejoice my will is being accomplished.Your goal is to enter my era of peace. This truly is my will for all my people. But my challenge to my people is simply this: will you truly submit to the humility of my will, rest in my will and walk in my will into my era of peace. These are the words of the Lord.