The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Yes, the false church is definitely already here.
     
    Joan J, Agnes rose, Beth B and 2 others like this.
  2. AED

    AED Powers

    The visible embodiment of wheat and tares growing up side by side when the farmer had only sown wheat. Truly "an enemy has done this."
     
  3. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    A good series of videos for our times;

     
  4. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Thank you for posting this Don. I listened to this years ago and often think of it regarding the current situation. This is why we must pray for these wayward prelates. It is entirely possible God will raise up a champion of Catholic orthodoxy from among them. Without enough prayer needed for their conversion this may be delayed or not happen though. God loves to let people sink to astonishing depths then reach out and raise them up. How many of us have had or witnessed these kinds of conversions? Let us pray had for the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests!
     
    Light, Joan J, Mary's child and 4 others like this.
  5. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes!!!
     
  6. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    To Padraig and all MOG members,

    ****HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY!!!****
    upload_2019-3-17_14-11-44.png

    Edited to add:
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2019
    padraig, Patty, Sam and 6 others like this.
  7. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Indeed, always.
    Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
    The mystery of Faith, said by the people of the Bride of Christ to Jesus present on the Alter after the consecration of Our Lord to witness our proclamation.
    We proclaim your Death oh Lord, and profess your Resurrection, until you come again.

    It is a mystery to me. Why do some go off into the depths who have heard the truth like Judas did and ultimately betrayed Jesus. In spite of his unbelief he knew he had betrayed an innocent and blameless man. But, that was all that Jesus was to him. A man. He threw the silver back at the feet of the Sanhedrin in his shame. All he had to do was repent and believe but he could not ask for Our Lord's forgiveness. Christ knew from the beginning what his fate was. He was like the parable of the sower. A rocky soil that was perhaps withered in the scorching heat.
    Yet, Peter, who denied Him three times and in the rashness and even prideful boastfulness of his big hearted love for Christ made all sorts of passionate blunders including such that provoked Jesus to tell him; get behind Me Satan could yet be granted the Keys to the Kingdom. Faith it seems to me is the divining rod between them.
     
    Tanker, Sam, Mary's child and 2 others like this.
  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    http://padreperegrino.org/

    The Simple Gospel
    2019-03-04 Father David Nix
    Our Patristics professor in seminary said something that I will never forget. He said: “Don’t read the Scriptures with a higher IQ than who it was written for.” I’m going to keep coming back to this line, “Don’t read the Scriptures with a higher IQ than who it was written for,” so I need to explain first what it does not mean.

    My professor was a very intellectual man, so he was not saying that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was created to trick peasant-doofuses into becoming Christians or later that Catholicism would become the opium of the illiterate-masses. Nor did he mean that the Deposit of the Faith was transmitted by Christ to a group of shallow fishermen who went forward to find the most deceivable people to baptize.

    While re-reading Acts of the Apostles, I recently discovered that the Apostles were actually not sloppy in their original observance of Judaism (despite how Protestant movies often portray them as saccharine-sweet modern used car-salesmen.) The opposite is true, in fact, as is found in Acts of the Apostles. Despite his impetuosity and fast tongue to Our Lord (even after Christ’s Resurrection!) consider below how St. Peter has an insistence on how he has always adhered to Mosaic law:

    The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.” This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.—Acts 10:9-16

    The idea of Don’t read the Scriptures with a higher IQ than who it was written for also does not also does not mean that the infinite orthodox interpretations of the Sacred Scriptures are immediately obvious to even the greatest of theologians. Both scientists and theologians define simple as “nothing lacking and nothing superfluous.” Thus, God Himself is simple, nothing lacking but nothing superfluous. But God is not simplistic. So also, the Sacred Scriptures. It has been said that the Gospel of John is easy enough for a child to play in but deep enough for a theologian to drown in. So, my prof’s line Don’t read the Scriptures with a higher IQ than who it was written for does not mean we don’t need theologians who will go deep into typology.

    Indeed, we need holy theologians, but not legalistic scribes.

    I believe that if Satan tricked the religious leaders of the first century towards a religious attitude so legalistic to the right that they would not recognize the first coming of Christ, it would equally be the perfect trick of Satan to trick the religious leaders before the second coming of Christ to adopt a religious attitude so legalistic to the left that they would not recognize the time of Christ’ second return.

    Indeed, theologians today are more legalistic than they have ever been in the history of the Church since the first century scribes. Here’s a few examples:

    1. Many young men have been told by priests that (based on a seriously ambiguous line in the new Catechism) that if they have the habit of masturbation, that very habit reduces culpability and it is thus not a mortal sin. Those guys go on sinning into their own marriages and thus endanger their marriages and salvation. I hope someone will come and tell them that loopholes don’t save; only Jesus Christ saves. This is the Simple Gospel. But if they listen to that modern confessor…. Loophole theologian: 1. Soul won for Jesus: 0.
    2. Almost every tribunal in the USA doles out endless declarations of nullity (annulments) based on a Canon in the Code of Canon Law that says if a couple had “lack of due discretion” in their time of engagement, that marriage might not be valid. Well, guess what: That is every vocation, including my priesthood. Did I have “due discretion” of the priesthood before I ended up in this mess? No, but I’m still a priest. Now, I have no problem with “lack of form” annulments, but the “lack of due discretion” thing is for new Pharisees and scribes to manipulate without any end. I often tease families with five or ten kids that I could get them an annulment under “lack of due discretion” despite having 7 kids! The couple then laughs nervously at me when I say this. But I mean it: Through this legal loophole, tens of thousands of American marriages (which God has put together) have been sundered apart by modern day legalistic scribes who essentially say: “Better to declare it null through ‘lack of due discretion’ so as to get them ‘out of sin’ as they’re already in bed with their new squeezes.” Satan via gentle scribes: 1. Marriage: 0.
    3. Under the clause “Those who through no fault of their own do not know the Catholic Faith can still be saved,” we have actually created an entire effeminate army of theologians, priests and bishops who essentially teach that everyone is saved, barring major malice in their hearts to God at the very last breath of their lives. If you try to argue with such theologians, they (much like first century Pharisees) will have a loophole (usually quoting Lumen Gentium) as to why every non-Catholic will be saved as long as they didn’t know about the Catholic Church—and even then—could anyone really reject Jesus if they saw His loving face? I mean: Could anyone really commit a mortal sin with full knowledge and full consent of the will if they knew God? Of course not! Therefore, everyone is saved. Satan via liberal legalism: 1. International missionary congregations: 0.
    Yes, I realize that it is ironic that a Traditional Latin Mass priest is saying most modern theologians and tribunal officers are mostly Pharisees and scribes. But I believe in a Simple Gospel with no loopholes. It’s not because I’m mean or less merciful, but precisely because I believe the Cross of Jesus Christ does not need any loopholes to have power! I explained many of these modern legalistic errors more in-depth in this podcast, the same talk as found in this Sensus Fidelium video:



    Continued...
     
    AED likes this.
  9. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Do you see how modern day Catholic scribes (found literally everywhere in the West!) have used historically-untried but currently-universally-accepted theology to totally empty the Cross of Jesus Christ of all its power? The Gospel is very simple, and it was made for the average person to understand.

    Here is the basics of the Simple Gospel found in Scripture and Catholicism:

    Jesus Christ is God who died a horrible death as a man for you and me. Christ had to be a man, so as to offer a human body for our sins done in the body. Christ had to be God for this sacrifice to be boundless and blameless. This sacrifice is perpetuated forever in the Holy Mass. The merits of Jesus’ infinite love is transmitted by baptism and it is a totally free gift that saves us (1 Pt 3:21) but we will be judged on our actions (Mt 25:31-46.)

    No loophole will save you from this: Not a priest telling you that your mortal sin is not a sin or a Tribunal telling you that you’re not married. Indeed, salvation only comes from Jesus Christ, “and there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”—Acts 4:12.

    All through seminary, I said that Pope John Paull II was the Pope for the blue-collar man but that the old Popes like Pope St. Pius X were the over-intellectuals. The more I read these two Popes, the more I now realize that the opposite is true. Although Pope John Paul II comes to orthodox conclusions, it is only through an endless philosophical sea of anthropocentric phenomenology. Pope St. Pius X, however, simply said the faith in a way that could be understood by, say, a plumber in Chicago in the 1940s. The great thing about perennial Catholicism is that if a plumber in Chicago in 1940 committed a mortal sin on a Friday night, he went to confession on Saturday afternoon before he went to receive Holy Communion on Sunday morning.

    People might retort to my above example, “Oh, but that plumber didn’t have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ!”

    My response: Really? How do you know that? I am not so sure about that. When I was with the FSSP for six months, I will never forget an older woman who once said to me, “When I was in Catholic school, there wasn’t a tweet every time a Pope burped. The Pope was just a picture on the wall at my Catholic grade-school. We had a relationship with Jesus and Mary.” Think about that: We had a relationship with Jesus and Mary. Yes, she was referring to the 1940s. In fact, she and I weren’t even talking about having a relationship with Christ when she said that…which is why I know it came out as truth. The more and more I talk to old people, the more I don’t buy the garbage that no Catholic had a relationship with Jesus Christ before Vatican II.

    Nowadays we have many Catholic celebrities who tell us to have a relationship with Jesus Christ in large stadiums with great emotions. Now, unlike most priests who offer exclusively the Traditional Latin Mass, I actually like these Catholic celebrities. I mean it. Many people on the Steubenville speaking circuit actually bring lots of young people to Jesus Christ, and sometimes there is even doctrinal content to their call to surrender. I’m not being sarcastic. I believe the Holy Spirit very much works at these conferences. But such conferences and Catholic celebrities are only necessary because we have trashed the simple Gospel of pre-Vatican II dogma and liturgy. Yes, I actually believe that the Acts of the Apostles is the same faith that drove immigrants to build Churches like St. Francis De Sales in St. Louis (the shot at the very top of this blog post that I snapped one night while visiting there last year.) Yes, the same Simple Gospel drove Acts of the Apostles and Polish immigrants, even if our Churches in the West happened to be bigger and more ornate than the underground Church.

    Modern youth conferences (not WYD Masses, to be sure, where I have seen people committing sacrilege by making-out at Holy Mass) but the good youth conferences and mens’ conferences and women’s conferences are essentially collateral circulation. Collateral circulation is what happens when the body creates a concessionary artery when the main artery is clogged. In my analogy, of course, the original artery is a simple and Holy Priesthood, where the most simple priest (like St. John Vianney) could show up in any country and bring an Apostolic dogma and liturgy to a simple people. Concessionary circulation is Steubenville conferences. It’s fine, for a time, in this current Church crisis…but we must return to what Catholicism has always been.

    What has it always been? It has been a Simple Gospel of heaven and hell, redemption and sin. You did not need a PhD in loopholes, I mean Canon Law, to get people to heaven. Priests of every century would simply teach their peasants and geniuses alike the Creed, the Our Father, the 10 Commandments and the sacraments. I blogged about how easy it was to transmit traditional Catholicism to everyone (not just the elite) in The Over-Intellectualization of the Catholic Faith. Such peasants could have an IQ of 80 or 180 and still start to establish the reign of Christ the King in both their hearts and society.

    For example, a simple Spanish Franciscan showing up as a missionary to pagan Mexico in the 16th century did not need any laser beams, nearly-invisible megaChurch microphones around his face or cool intro-songs with dry-ice fog to announce his entrance. That is because it was the same convicting beautiful faith that the soldiers of World War II found at Holy Mass, a catechesis in and of itself that led to not only love of God but fear of God:

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    Chaplain Dennis Murphy celebrates mass for the men of 65th AAA Bn., at Bolo Point, Okinawa. July 19, 1951. Nelse Einwaechter. (Army) NARA FILE # 111-SC-378561 WAR & CONFLICT BOOK #: 1464
    Catholic Church history has no pendulum between conservative and liberal like we were told in High Schoo.l Catholicism is Catholicism that has simply endured four major Church crises, the worst of which we are in right now. The Catholic Faith of the Desert Fathers in the 3rd century was the same as the Catholic Faith of the 13th century Franciscans and Dominicans and the same Faith as the great Doctors of the Church and international missionaries of the 16th century. There were no scribes and loopholes who emptied the power of the cross, as we sadly see today. Even the early Christians (even with all of their beautiful speaking in tongues, which I believe is a real gift) were closer to traditional Catholics today than Pentecostals.

    No one can argue the facts: Traditional Catholicism made one billion Catholics, where US Catholicism has bled one million Catholics every year since the year 2000. Why should a basic blue-collar man take the faith seriously if it can be argued away by loophole-loving scribes?

    So, what do you do about this in your family? The best I can do is to tell you to purchase the Catechism of Pius X. It sounds daunting and scary, but it is actually easier to read than even the Baltimore Catechism for children! The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X has no errors in it like: “Muslims…together with us…adore the one, merciful God.” While the new CCC was written for bishops to distill further down into their own pastoral needs, and whereas the Catechism of the Council of Trent was actually written for priests, the Catechism of Pius X was made for the layman:

    [​IMG]

    It was recently translated into English by Aeterna Press. And while I would encourage Aeterna Press to fix up the punctuation typos (found on nearly every single page of their production) it my still my absolute go-to, gold-standard for all teaching and evangelization. I encourage anyone who reads this blog post to purchase many copies. It is only $7 on Prime and it explains the entire Catholic faith in what can be read in less than two hours. It is a total treasure of the faith in only 150 pages (with huge spaces between lines.)

    Such is the simple faith of the deposit Jesus Christ handed down to the Apostles. Like the Bible, in this Catechism, you will find no loopholes, only that Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church can bring you to see the fullness of Our Father’s face in heaven. Such is the Simple Gospel found in none of the duplicitous tongues of our modern liberal scribes Pharisees, found teaching and annulling the power of the Gospel over the Western-Hemisphere.
     
    AED and DeGaulle like this.
  10. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Sorry to offend everyone, but you need to wittness this liturgical “dancing” at a mass celebrated by Cardinal Marx.
    I apologize in advance

     
  11. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Prophecy spoke of the false church and its defeat as well.
    www.godpeakswillyoulisten.org

    6/27/07
    A false prophet or anti pope will proclaim the protestant doctrine of the mass to be correct. This is the one teaching that will change. The rest of my churches teachings can stay the same. Satan knows how to deprive my children of everlasting life, deprive my children of my presence. This is how the man of sin, the son of perdition will sit in the temple of God.Reference II Thessalonians 2:4-10. He will attempt to lead my people to deny my presence in the Echarist and to teach the mass is only a symbol. This is antichrist. This will bring the wrath of God on the children of disobedience. This will cause the unleashing of the bowls of divine justice. My sacrifice of the mass daily holds back my Father’s justice. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth (Luke 18:8)? Will I find any of my children, who I recognize with my life in them? Will there be faith left in my holy sacrifice? These are the questions which need to be pondered. My son, a false Christian church will be forced on the people. A gospel of prosperity and a make you feel good gospel will be preached. My churches can be filledwith people, but the churches will be dead because I am not there. Without my presence in the churches, God does not dwell in the churches. Then, these sheep who hear my voice will be forced to worship in underground churches where I will be present. This truly is the abomination of desolation and antichrist. Then I will come with the brightness of my coming, destroy this false church, and restore my church according to my will. Then you will see an era of peace. A Eucharistic era of peace where I will reign in the hearts and mind of my people in the holy Eucharist. You must believe all these words I am teaching you and the teachings of my church or you will not enter my era of peace.Ponder these words or I may say to: I NEVER KNEW YOU. The words of the Lord. I bless you Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. AMEN.
     
  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    :eek:

    upload_2019-3-18_9-11-21.png
    World | Mar. 15, 2019 | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...e-synodal-process-on-celibacy-sexual-morality
    German Bishops Announce ‘Synodal Process’ on Celibacy, Sexual Morality
    Cardinal Reinhard Marx said the bishops had unanimously decided on 'synodal progression' that could lead to a binding outcome.
    Anian Christoph Wimmer/CNA
    MUNICH — Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Munich and Freising has announced that the Catholic Church in Germany is embarking on a “binding synodal process” to tackle what he says are the three key issues arising from the clerical abuse crisis: priestly celibacy, the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, and a reduction of clerical power.

    Speaking at the conclusion of the plenary session of the German bishops’ conference on Thursday, Cardinal Marx told reporters that the bishops had unanimously decided these three topics would be subject to a process of “synodal progression” that could lead to a binding, but as yet undetermined, outcome.

    “The Church needs synodal progress,” the president of the German bishops’ conference asserted. “Pope Francis encourages this.”

    The German bishops held their plenary session in the German town of Lingen from March 11 to 14.

    Addressing journalists on the final day, Cardinal Marx said the Church’s teaching on sexual morality has yet to account for significant recent discoveries from theology and the humanities. Also, he said, the significance of sexuality to personhood has not yet received sufficient attention from the Church.

    Bishops “feel we often are unable to speak on questions of present-day sexual behavior,” he said.

    The cardinal also said that the German bishops appreciate priestly celibacy as an “expression of the religious bond to God” and do not simply want to give up on it. But to what extent celibacy should always be an element of priestly witness is a question “we will determine” through the “synodal process,” he told the press.

    Furthermore, Cardinal Marx said clerical abuse of power constitutes a betrayal of the trust of people in need of stability and religious orientation. Therefore, the “synodal process” would be charged with identifying what measures must be taken to achieve “the necessary reduction of [clerical] power.”

    The establishment of ecclesiastical administrative courts is one such step for which the bishops will in the near future draft a proposal.

    As a first step on the proposed synodal path, Cardinal Marx announced that the German bishops have decided to set up three preparatory working groups. The working group on “clerical power” is headed by Bishop Karl-Heinz Wiesemann of Speyer, and the working group on “sexual morality” will be headed by Bishop Franz-Josef Bode of Osnabrück. The working group on “the priest’s way of life,” which will focus on celibacy, will be moderated by Bishop Felix Genn of Münster.

    Interim reports are expected from all three by Sept. 13.

    Referring to the German bishops’ four-year “Würzburg Synod” from 1971 to 1975, which was charged with an implementation of the decisions of the Second Vatican Council, Cardinal Marx affirmed that the Church in Germany is “not starting at zero” in a synodal process, given the Würzburg experience and various consultation processes undertaken by the German bishops in recent years.

    The “synodal process” will involve consultations with the Central Committee of German Catholics, a lay organization that closely cooperates with the bishops’ conference, and will draw on outside experts.

    ***
    upload_2019-3-18_9-8-47.png
    Nation | Mar. 16, 2019 | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...erence-releases-tragic-report-on-sexual-abuse
    Polish Bishops’ Conference Releases ‘Tragic’ Report on Sexual Abuse
    According to a new study, nearly 400 Polish priests were accused of sexual abuse of minors from 1990 until 2018.
    Catholic News Agency
    KRAKOW, Poland — Nearly 400 Polish priests were accused of sexual abuse of minors from 1990 until 2018, a study commissioned by the Episcopal Conference of Poland revealed Thursday.

    The study covered data collected from the more than 10,000 parishes in Poland, and included religious orders.

    According to the report, 382 priests were accused of abuse during the time covered, and the allegations concern 625 potential victims. Of the clerics accused, 284 were diocesan priests, and 98 belonged to a religious order.

    Archbishop Stanislaw Gadecki, who leads the Episcopal Conference of Poland, called the report’s findings “tragic,” and said every instance of sexual abuse is a “particularly painful” betrayal of public trust.

    The archbishop also noted that while the Church must deal with the problem of clerical sexual abuse, it was important that the same kinds of abuse not be permitted to continue in other institutions.

    Among allegations concerning diocesan priests, 54.2% concerned victims under the age of 15, and 45.8% victims over the age 15.

    Allegations involving religious orders showed that 44 priests — 44.9% — were accused of sexually abusing someone under the age of 15. Fifty-four priests (55.1%), were accused of abusing someone over the age of 15.

    In total, 198 priests were accused of abusing those under 15, compared to 184 who were accused of abusing older teens.

    In 58.4% of allegations of clerical abuse in Poland, males were reportedly the victims. Females were the reported victims in 41.6% of allegations.

    Since 2002, when revelations of abuse by clergy in the United States became worldwide news, the number of cases reported to Polish authorities has seen a gradual increase. In 2017, there were 36 allegations made against diocesan priests.

    Of the 382 accused priests, a canonical penal process was pursued in 362 of these cases. There is no data available for the other 20 cases, nor is it explained in the report why this is the case. In 270 cases, the process was completed at the time of the study’s commission, and the process was ongoing in 92 cases.

    A total of 68 priests — almost exactly one quarter — were removed from the priesthood as a result of the canonical process. An additional 109 were punished with a limitation of ministry or other sanctions, and 31 were transferred to either a different parish or in a location away from children. In 34 cases, the process was ended after the death of the accused, and in 28 cases, the priest was acquitted.

    Only 168 priests were charged with a crime by civil authorities. At the time the report was published, the trial had concluded in 135 of those cases. Eighty-five priests were convicted of sexual abuse. In 36 cases, the charges did not move forward, and in 12 cases, the accuser did not want to cooperate and pursue charges. Two priests were acquitted.

    There are 33 priests whose trials are ongoing.

    Poland’s statistics on clerical abuse tell a different story than the data concerning the United States.

    According to the 2002 John Jay report into allegations of abuse by U.S. priests commissioned, only 27.3% of those abused by priests were over the age of 15. In the U.S., males accounted for nearly 80% of survivors of clerical abuse.
     
  13. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I wonder what that would be called. Interpretive dance? Not my thing but of course I'm not a German.
     
    Beth B likes this.
  14. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie


    I guess that’s what they would call it....the church calls it not acceptable.

    Sad, I keep hearing that the Catholic Church in Germany is really kaput!
     
    AED and Praetorian like this.
  15. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    As beautiful as this statue is, it depicts Christ's dead body. HIS EYES ARE OPEN. On the cross Ok, but hardly realistic as it's depicted.
     
  16. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    It definitely appears to be interpretive dancing. He appears to be interpreting the Passion and Crucifixion. I find it quite beautiful but definitely WRONG place and time (for my tastes). NOT during the consecration! Not in front of the Altar. Could that be his personally preferred form of prayer? probably
     
  17. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Seems to me, this is the operative indicator. Recognizing and accepting Eucharistic miracles is a great gift! The need for this reminder is why I have included Lanciano in my pilgrimage. It's up to the Holy Spirit and Blessed Mother to inspire those who need this trip, with the means to join us.
     
    DeGaulle likes this.
  18. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I think it might be called blasphemy? But then I'm no dance expert.

    Not only is that dance inappropriate, but his attire doesn't meet the minimum requirements for modesty either. Honestly I get upset when I even see people dressed up like this attending Mass, never mind prancing around up on the altar.
     
    AED, DeGaulle and Arantxa like this.
  19. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I would call that dancing liturgical abuse.

    I don't think any dancing is appropriate in Mass. Sometimes in Ireland they have Irish dancers dancing up the aisle on St Patrick's Day.

    I'm old fashioned - save it for the stage!!
     
  20. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    You’re not old fashion.....they are modernist. I Totally agree with you.
    Mass is about the Eucharist...not personal expression of oneself. It’s just another vulgar element in the liturgy to distract. You wanna dance, go to a dance,.... mass is not intended for your display of bodily gyrations.

    And to think that some priest try to stop one from kneeling to receive the Blessed Sacrament....!
     
    Light, SgCatholic, Tanker and 6 others like this.

Share This Page