Amazon Synod Working Document Released Today, and It Confirms There’s Trouble on the Horizon

It is very confusing Carol. Though I am not necessarily commenting on the Pope's video you linked above, it does seem that there is great confusion right now because the faithful are getting 2 messages at once. Half of them very sound Catholic teaching. The other half are alien to faithful ears and have nothing to do with true Church Teachings.

I don't know this will help, but here is a new Youtube site that I found that seems pretty good:


I have only listened to a couple of their videos (so I can't vouch for all of them) but they go in-depth into a lot of what is happening now and the history behind it. Part of this video delves into the growth and changes in Modernism over the past 200 years.

To basically boil it down to the fact that Modernists used to say something like "Yes I believe in the Resurrection", so outwardly they would appear Catholic, but if pressed they would say "Jesus is resurrected in our hearts." So in effect they use the same language as a devout Catholic, but change the meaning of the terms to mean something non-Catholic.

In contrast the new Modernist tactic is to fully agree with traditional Catholic beliefs and dogmas, but say that pastorally we must act in ways contrary to them. Naturally the Modernists wouldn't phrase it this way, but in effect that is what they are doing. For example they might say "We know the Church teaches those in mortal sin cannot approach the Eucharist and we agree with that, but pastorally certain of these people should be allowed to receive because they might not know what they are doing is a mortal sin and we need to meet them where they are at."

On the surface what they are saying is true. If you don't know something is a mortal sin then you may not be sinning if you commit one, but the disingenuous part is that they should be allowed to receive Holy Communion. The truly pastoral thing to do would be to gently explain the Catholic teaching to them and accompany them in aligning their lives to what the Church teaches.

 

Twelve years ago, I was involved in an Episcopal church.

This describes TEC to a "T." No pun intended.

Talk about double-speak! Mind games, etc.

I'd experienced weird/abusive stuff in "church life" prior (all Protestant), but that absolutely stunned and angered me.

Such behavior is deceitful, period.

 

Live from the Vatican.

Be afraid...be very afraid....

 

Fr Mark is just great. He said "One thing at least the Pentecostals and the Evangelicals get right, they preach Jesus they don't dialogue the pagans, they don't accompany them in their pagan rituals"

 

Hi Desert Star. You joined while I was on hiatus so I didn't get a chance to welcome you.
Welcome

Unfortunately the fact that the Catholic Church is now mimicking the Episcopal church is not by accident, but by design. Many Catholics are unaware of what an Episcopal service looks like, but it looks just about the same as your average Novus Ordo Mass nowadays, except perhaps more reverent. In the 1960's the Church leadership decided the Mass needed a Protestant makeover and chose to model the new Mass on the Episcopal service. Since then they have continued to move in that direction and now we are apparently at the point where we are throwing, not just the look of the Church, but the theology out the window as well.

 

Thank you.

My 1st Episcopalian service featured a break in the service for "The Greeting." That was new to me. I actually tried talking to those nearby, who smiled politely and turned to "greet" others. Embarrassing!

So I was surprised, on my 1st visit to my Catholic parish, to see that "The Greeting" is also done at approximately the same point in service. But I'd never attended a RC Mass before and figured it was a "liturgical church thing."

Ironically, that Episcopal church did perform its Eucharist with priest and two acolytes in an enclosed chancel/apse, with priest facing the altar (back to congregation) during. That was over 10 years ago now; I wonder if still done that way.

Also, attendees had the option of kneeling at the altar rail or walking to a second priest and acolyte stationed near the pulpit.

Which suddenly brings to mind an amusing dream I had while attending: Rev. Worley was like a brother - really. We had a lot of personality traits in common besides. Anyway, in the dream I was assisting him by holding the chalice (never happened!). I noticed something peculiar about the wine; it was carbonated. I then realized it was Cherry 7-Up, not wine. This realization startled me, and I wondered how I could let him know before anyone came up. The dream then changed.

I told Rev. Worley about the dream later. He wasn't amused.

 

amen!!

 

Yes from what I understand the Episcopalians and Anglicans do maintain more of the formality/reverence that has sadly been lost in most Catholic parishes. We dropped the traditional choir and organ music and adopted folk music and clapping. I think the idea of Pope Paul VI was that the Mass look more like a proper Episcopalian affair, but after the changes emanating from the "spirit" of Vatican II the local parishes went overboard and introduced all sorts of novelties and "modernizations". Of course those "modernizations" now are not so modern anymore. Perhaps they should drop the 60's folk music and add some electronic dance music.

That is why traditionally the Church stayed away from fads and fashions. Fads and fashions come and go, but the Mass is supposed to be a timeless affair of the ages.

 

Please watch this video explaining the predictions of Our Lady of Good Success. I believe this is the most important apparition in history for our time.

 

I just watched the last few minutes of the opening session of the Synod. Pray. All the apostates are there, applauding every suggestion that contradicts the Deposit of Faith. They reminded me of the apostates who shouted down Cardinal Ottaviani at Vatican 2. It seems we need to find "new paths" forward. Not the narrow path which Jesus told us is the only path to eternal happiness. We can turn earth into Heaven. All the indications are that celibacy will be ended, women will be ordained and we will worship mother earth in place of the one and only Triune God of Father, Son and Holy Spirit and accept Pope Francis as the personfication of the earth god.

Pray, pray, pray.

 

The actual conversion of the Amazonian people seems like it's at the bottom of the "to do" list if it's even on the list at all. True Amazonian converts will win over more by the power of the Holy Spirit and preaching the Gospel. A slow and steady attraction to the church and natural growth of it in the Amazon is clearly not the agenda here.

Respecting cultures is one thing but anything that the Amazonian people do that relates directly to religious practices can not be incorporated into the Catholic church. If it's purely cultural and unrelated to "gods" of whatever type perhaps some of that could be retained, not sure though. It seems a slippery slop to start the expansion of the church in this way and I don't think it's every been done before. I really wonder if I went to any or all newer Amazonian churches in 5 or 10 years from now if Christ would be truly present in them. I have a strong feeling many would be praying to/for mother earth (or other gods) instead or a mix of many reducing the Majesty of Christ to just another one of their gods. This is the impression the pope gives. He should be yelling "Salvation only through Jesus Christ!" but instead he's pandering to all their customs first and foremost.

Without strong, faithful leadership in the church currently this may be looked on in the future as a terrible mistake at best and a satanic stunt at worst. I don't get the impression that the Holy Spirit is leading the charge in any of this. And if His is not it will fail.

 

Sr. Alba Teresa Cediel Castillo speaks at a press briefing on the Amazon synod at the Holy See press office, Oct. 7, 2019. Credit: Daniel Ibanez/CNA.

I see Sr Teresa says women in the Amazon are helping out by , 'Hearing confessions' and performing Baptisms and Weddings.

Am I going nuts or has the entire Vatican gone nuts?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/women-religious-play-vital-role-in-amazon-sister-says-60286


Is this what it comes down too and no one in the Vatican even blinks?

 

You know, most people are not even aware of any of this. They just don't care.

 

The question is what will they do when they are finally made aware. Do they join the remnant or take the seemingly easier path. Everyone at some point will have to choose. What is that old saying "not to decide is to decide." Jesus has harsh words for those who are neither hot nor cold. I remind myself of this when I am tempted to go along to get along.

 

To love is to care.

If your family is doing badly you would know it, because you love them and so you care and pay attention.

Church is family.

If they don't know this , that their family is gravely ill, it's because they don't care.

..and if they don't care it's because they don't love.

'Pastoral Rule” of St. Gregory the Great, Pope (Book 2, 4 PL77, 331):

“The pastor should be discreet in keeping silence and profitable in his speech, lest he either utter what ought to be suppressed or suppress what he ought to utter. For just as reckless speaking leads someone into error, so indiscreet silence leaves in error those who might have been instructed.

“For often reckless pastors, fearing to lose human favor, shrink timidly from speaking freely the things that are right; and, according to the voice of Christ who is the Truth (John 10:12), fail to attend to the care of their flock with the love of shepherds, and act instead as mercenaries. For when the wolf comes, they flee and hide themselves in silence. Thus, the Lord through the prophet upbraids them, saying: ‘Dumb dogs, that cannot bark’ (Isaiah 56:10). And, again He complains, saying: ‘You have not gone up against the enemy nor have you built a wall for the house of Israel to stand in battle on the day of the Lord’ (Ezekiel 13:5). Indeed, to ‘go up against the enemy’ is to oppose worldly powers with a free voice in the defense of the flock. And to ‘stand in battle on the day of the Lord’ is to resist, out of the love of justice, evil persons who oppose us.

“For if a shepherd fears to say what is right, what else is it but to turn his back in silence? But certainly, if he puts himself before the flock [so as to protect them], he ‘builds a wall for the house of Israel’ against its enemies… Whoever undertakes the priesthood assumes the office of a herald, so that wherever he goes he proclaims the coming of the dread Judge. Therefore, if the priest does not know how to preach, with what voice will such a mute herald proclaim? It is for this reason that the Holy Spirit sat upon the first shepherds in the form of tongues (Acts 2:3), because whomever he has filled, he gives the power of eloquent speaking.”

Every priest must examine himself assiduously so as to conform his conduct to the supernatural light of this “Pastoral Rule” of St. Gregory the Great, including the cardinals and bishops, and especially Pope Bergoglio, S.J.!'

Pastoral Rule” of St. Gregory the Great, Pope (Book 2, 4 PL77, 331):

 

It may be even worse than that.

The actual english translation of what she said seems to be "...as priests, as women priests we accompany people..."

It is at the 35 second mark in the link below.

https://twitter.com/CatholicSat/status/1181184127787241476

Of course we must keep in mind it is possible the translation is faulty.

 

Padraig,

Here is an article that is related to this video.


Oct. 7, 2019
Amazon Tribal Chief Concerned Synod Will Promote Ideology of Primitivism
Jonas Marcolino Macuxí, the chief of the Macuxi tribe, asserted promotion of ‘primitivism’ has brought conflict to the region since the 1970s.
Edward Pentin | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...synod-will-curtail-the-ideology-of-primitivis

ROME — An Amazon tribal chief told a Rome conference on Saturday that a “dictatorship” of missionary workers teaching liberation theology has sought to prevent development in the region, thus keeping indigenous people in poverty and misery.

Jonas Marcolino Macuxí, the chief of the Macuxi tribe, asserted such promotion of “primitivism” (an ideology that pre-Christian indigenous traditions and mores were largely noble and good and should be conserved) brought conflict to the region from the 1970s on, undoing all that earlier missionaries and indigenous peoples had achieved in terms of positive cultural assimilation for more than a century.

He also expressed concern that many of those advising the Pope on the synod have this same ideology and that the indigenous invited to attend it have been “indoctrinated to remain in their primitive state.”

Marcolino, who was illiterate until he was given the good fortune to be educated and is now a trained lawyer and mathematician, spoke at the conference entitled “Amazon: The Stakes,” hosted by the Plinio Correa de Oliveira Institute, part of the Brazilian-based Tradition, Family and Property movement.

He was baptized Catholic but became Protestant, partly because of the state of the Catholic Church in the region, according to the Plinio Correa de Oliveira Institute, which said he remains “very respectful to traditional and serious Catholicism.”

In this interview with the Register during a break at the conference, Marcolino explains that indigenous Amazonian tribes continue to live very hard lives, largely because they are not permitted to develop from resources found on their own reserves. He explains how infanticide among indigenous tribes that had been ending continues because of the ideology of primitivism.

What are your overall views of the Amazon Synod, and do you believe it will be positive for the region?

The topics that have been discussed about the Amazon so far are, in my opinion, more negative than positive, such as the approach to the question of infrastructure. Beginning in 1980, the tendency has been to see any kind of development in the Amazon — roads, big projects, etc. — as part of this idea that progress is bad.

Why is that?

Until the 1980s, the military regime had a positive view of development, but as military rule ended, there was specifically an element that said progress is bad, and we have to go back.

How much did this have to do with Marxist liberation theology?

The doctrines are the same: For communism, private property is evil, so anything that leads to progress inevitably leads to private property, and that’s seen as bad. The state of Roraima, where I live, the uppermost state next to Venezuela, is the only state in Brazil that has been linked to the electrical grid, so we have lots of hydroelectric power there.

You referred in your talk to cannibalism and infanticide as part of tribal religions. Have they come back?

Cannibalism has ended, but not the killing of children.

Why has that not ended?

I’ve thought a lot about this. According to the traditional religion, when a child is born with a defect, he’s buried alive, and that continues. Those things were ending; but now, with the idea that you have to go back to primitivism, they remain. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights stated that everybody is born with certain rights, and the right to life obviously applies to a child with defects.

The Brazilian Dominican liberation theologian Frei Betto said recently about the Pan-Amazon Synod that “we have before us an opportunity that will allow us to move forward. We must not propose liberation theology. It scares many people. We need to talk about socioenvironmental issues instead.” Are you concerned about this?

Many of the great Indian leaders see such theology as a leveling down. These liberation theologians are promoting the idea that the Indians who still live in a primitive way are very happy, living in paradise, etc., and wanting to promote this idea to everybody else.

But that’s not true. It’s false. We are not living in paradise. It’s a very hard life; people have insects all over their feet, bats in their homes.

So do you believe a free-market economy is the way to overcome this?

Yes, exactly; we should be allowed to develop our economy, because the region is very rich. All the natural resources are there. But in the Indian reserves, you cannot touch them, and that’s to the detriment of the people who live there. They [those who wish to keep them primitive] have neutralized reason. It’s obvious those things should be explored, but we’re not allowed to do it. We’re not allowed to use our intelligence to utilize the things that are present where we live.

 

I'm sharing this latest video from Taylor Marshall although I haven't finished watching it. The reason I'm sharing it is to wake up anyone in doubt about the sacrileges happening in Rome under the guise of this Synod supposedly to evangelise people in the Amazon region. Near the the beginning of the discussion they show a video of young woman carrying the Bible while dancing her way up to the altar at what appears to be the beginning of Mass. There are pagan symbols with lighted candles at the foot of the altar. They also show a picture of a cloth wall hanging or a banner in the same church. The pictures on the banner are of a naked woman suckling an animal at one breast while holding a baby in her arm. I'm pretty sure it is a Carmelite church. Our Lady of Mount Carmel pray for us.


Thanks to Carol for posting Fr. Weinandy's analysis. Thank God that there is one member of the Franciscans/Capuchins who still has the faith that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Saviour.

I agree wholeheartedly with Michael Matt's take on the purpose of this Synod. It's a disgraceful, racist exploitation of people who deserve to hear the Truth of the Gospel. Instead, they are being exploited to pursue a demonic agenda.
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4624-amazon-synod-is-it-racist

May God forgive us all for our part in bringing Christ's Church to this stage on the path to the Great Apostasy. No matter what are the conclusions of the Synod, the very fact that they consider syncretism as a possible path forward for the Church is all the evidence we need to see how far down we have sunk.

 

I am utterly shocked at what's revealed in this video. All I can think is Francis is not the Pope. The gloves are off. This is beyond anything I could have imagined.