Sam, I don't think that you are preaching. I have to admit that I did not watch the videos which showed the tree planting and that is very interesting what you have stated about Pope Francis looking uneasy. I actually also did not complain about the tree planting on this thread but after listening/reading to what the Amazonian leader who Diane Montagna interview stated which was that it is in fact a pagan ritual I do see the problem with it. What I almost commented on was that "ceremony" that actually occurred inside the church at the Vatican. On the surface, the tree planting seems odd but I really didn't like the look of that "ceremony" and the fact that it took place inside a church. At a minimum, I don't think that it is appropriate for people to come into a Catholic church and not follow our customs/guidelines. I don't remember if the past pontificates allowed similar things to occur inside a church. I do think that it is good for any pope to meet with people from other faiths, to promote peace and the like but I absolutely feel that Pope Francis has gone way beyond this in many ways and I am quite tired of Pope Francis using the past two pontificates as a justification for various decisions which he has made and is making because I see very little similarities in those pontificates and the current one.
Fair enough. I don't know what was wishy-washy or unclear about my post. It's just the facts. The march of Modernism has taken hundreds of years to get to this point. The current state of things didn't just pop into existence. We know Pope Leo XIII and Pope St. Pius X were active fighting it in their day.
That is the mission statement of the Church. If it is not going to perform that task then it must be reorganized so that it does. We are about to experience that reorganizing.
THEY HAVE DRIVEN JESUS OUT OF THE AMAZON SYNOD Cardinal Mueller https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/cardinal-mueller-they-have-driven-jesus-out-of-the-amazon-synod
What scares me is that this is like a school project where you break up into discussion groups. And these results are considered “binding.”
The Church had many cloistered vocations whose mission it was to remain hidden from the world and pray for the Church and souls. Those numbers have dwindled. I’m convinced that’s a factor.
In this clip which Beth posted is a reality so horrible, that it is time not for us to figure out how we got here, but rather to realize how far we have fallen. Around the 23 minute mark we are shown a ceremony taking place in the Santa Maria in Traspontina Church in the Eternal City. Taylor Marshall states that the Amazonian contingency has been allowed to use this church as a type of home base. Initially, I thought the dancer might be holding up a Book of the Gospels, but the service doesn't resemble anything like Holy Mass. If you look up closer to the altar during this dance, there are the same pagan images that were used in the ritual that took place in the Vatican gardens. Most importantly, at the 25-minute mark there is shown a banner on display with the caption in Spanish: "We are all connected!" Most horribly, is a photo shown which has an Amazonian woman nursing a dog on her right breast and a babe on her left breast. This is pure paganism. In no form or manner should this be allowed in a Catholic Church, let alone in the center of Catholicism. Such an act cries to Heaven. One could argue that the hierarchy was not alerted to this possibility, but if there is no formal denouncement tomorrow, everything about this synod turns abominable for me. BE GONE SATAN! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray, and do thou O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the Power of God, thrust into hell satan and all the evil spirits who roam about the world seeking the ruin of souls! Jesus, we trust in you! Ps 68: 1 Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered, And let those who hate Him flee before Him. 2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away; As wax melts before the fire, So let the wicked perish before God.
Definitely! I forget what saint mentioned it, but there was one saint was told that we have no idea how important monasteries and convents are and that without them the world would be overcome with evil.
I know this video was posted before, but I am uploading it again with a link to where the tribal leader is asked specifically about the ritual in the Vatican gardens the other day. He is asked if it is in any way Christian. He is an Indigenous tribal leader and he describes what it was. It is 100% pagan. Is a religious ritual and they are attempting to "purify" people so that evil spirits will not take them over. I am only bringing this up again because it has really been on my mind the past few days and I was very unsatisfied with the answers (or non-answers) and spin that were being given to us. The pertinent part of the interview is at the 7:35 minute mark.
Amazonian symbols and objects like the ones used in the pagan ceremony Sunday have been placed in the Catholic churches of Rome. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/amazonian-propaganda-drapes-churches-in-rome
The truth shall set you free. Here's a man speaking it. I knew things were bad in South America, but I didn't realise things were this bad. However, I see no reason to disbelieve this man. What he says would explain the extraordinary movement of so many South Americans to Evangelicalism. This chief presents to me a situation that he either become an Evangelical and remain Christian or, God help us, remain Catholic and lose Christ. I have little doubt that these Evangelicals will be tripping over themselves to embrace Our Lady when she finally tramples these serpents and that they will receive little sanction for finding a way to remain loyal to Christ in the midst of a desperate apostasy and betrayal. For those who betrayed them, I don't know where Our Lord is going to find all the millstones.
But we all know that Pope Francis has done a lot of things that no other pontificate in the past would have done. Would any other pope besides Pope Francis have signed a document that states, "The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings."? So maybe Pope Francis was unaware that he was witnessing a pagan ritual taking place on the lawn of the Vatican, idk but that doesn't make up for him signing the Abu Dhabi document which states that God willed paganism, in so many words. When Don throws shade on the past two popes specifically at this time while the Pan-Amazonian synod is taking place knowing that Pope Francis believes that God willed paganism and all of the past popes confirmed that "We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church", I don't believe it is appropriate and I think it is a bit wishy-washy to place any other pope in a similar category to Pope Francis because like I said in other posts that is exactly the excuse that the pope uses. Edited to add: Beth, Thank you for posting this video. *** I just realized that Mario posted about this video a few posts above, sorry I missed it earlier and Dolours has also posted it on the Amazon thread now. They both included some comments which I think are worthwhile for everyone here to read if you don't have the time to watch the hour long video. Sean, This video also helps explain what I mean when I have stated that Pope Francis is in a whole different category from the past two popes.
Yes I believe this too. Although I don't think it's right around the corner. We have earned this by our manifold sins, which are very,very grave indeed. So I suspect things are going to get very ,very,very much worse before they get better. I think we'll know Dawn is coming when we see ordinary Catholics being put to death in very large numbers for opposing this nonsense. With the Blood of the Martyrs we'll know things are on the upturn. The very Bishops and Cardinals who sit on this synod will be applauding and grinning as we are put to death. They are a nasty, grim lot if you ask me, behind those masks of listening and mercy. The very last thing they want to do is listen or show mercy. The only place they want to accompany people like us to is the scaffold. Mark my words. If you live long enough you'll see this for yourself.
Thinking again about what the chief said on the video above (and isn't hard to beat a witness on the ground?), it seems that our liberation theologians wish the Amazonian Indians to retain their traditional lifestyle. In other words, civilisation for me, but not for thee-what could be more truly racist than an ideology that wishes to maintain an entire class of people in utter destitution, depriving them of the gifts of our civilisation, which the missionaries, be sure, continue to avail of themselves. Is it that they want them to entertain them with their quaint ways, like some kind of performing monkeys? Our Lord always spoke kindly and supportively of the poor. It never dawned on me that His intention was to tell us to keep them that way. So, the next Vincent de Paul collection, should I keep my money in case giving it might interfere with someone's indigenous ways? I know we have to be wary of 'prosperity gospels', but there are many things in the modern world that are good in themselves, such as sanitation, improved shelter, medicines, improved nutrition. These Marxist missionaries would deny these natives the quality of life they enjoy and in the process encourage them to maintain the darker aspects of their culture, such as pagan rites, child sacrifice and so on. Or is the latter their deepest intention?
DeGaulle, A terrible thought just occurred to me when I read this post of yours but maybe somewhat accurate. Maybe because Pope Francis is in a sense (and I hate saying this, I really do) maintaining the darker aspects of our culture (such as witnessed by his dismantling of the JPII institute for life and Emma Bonino connections, etc.) that this is the reason why he can embrace this paganism the way that he appears to be doing. It is just not that big of a leap for him. (This was very difficult for me to write, btw. Please God forgive me.).
I've 'liked' you both, because I think, if I am correct, you are both correct but disagreeing with one another about two related but different things. I take it from the combination of what the two of you are saying, that there has been a powerful modernist movement in the Church for over a century (Pope Leo's 100 years?) which has particularly concerned our last handful of popes. My own view is that Pope Paul, Pope JPII ( Pope JPI didn't live long enough for us to make any judgement on him, but he seems to have been a very holy man) and Pope Benedict fought against the modernist tendency with varying degrees of success and any errors they made (and Pope Paul VI made by far the most) were combinations of circumstance and human weakness, which were not intended to contradict or oppose the doctrines of the Church. Pope Francis seems to embrace modernism with the intention of implementing it throughout the Church, whatever the consequences or perhaps even because he desires these consequences. Benedict's resignation was probably the most controversial act of any of these pre-Francis popes. Still, my memory of that time was that Pope Benedict didn't look long for this world. He seemed wretched and weak. I think it has been extraordinary how long he has managed to live since and thank God for that. His very existence is a restrainer of sorts upon the modernists. I also have a personal theory that Benedict might have had a fear of dementia. If he had lost his mind, he would have been helpless to prevent the most mendacious of manipulations of his person. He might have been used to sign off on a series of Amoris Laetitia-type documents. Imagine the confusion, then.
In the context of what you describe, I don't see anything that needs to be forgiven. We shouldn't have to say this, but given that he has actively partaken in a pagan ceremony and praised a notorious and publicly unrepentant (as far as I know) abortionist, how can we not speculate in this manner? We respect the Papacy, but the man presently in the role seems to be doing the diametrical opposite of what the role demands. It seems a legitimate question to consider whether this Pope is a Christian. That impromptu Our Father at the end of the pagan abomination gives me some slight hope, but we need a lot more from him than that.
Yes the Event to begin the exposure of the "solid ones" of the Faith for future targeting and elimination so as not to get n the way of the NWO goals.....a "set up" iow!
