Pardon me if I missed this, but did anyone post the details of this 'amazonian rite liturgy'? If anyone has a video or text of the actual words used, I would like to know what to look out for. My diocese, unfortunately, is ripe to incorporate a novelty like this into the liturgy. A few weeks ago the Eucharistic prayer at the Mass sounded really different and so now I am scared. Also I was sickened to read this https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/meet-...lped-whack-pope-john-paul-i-over-stock-fraud/ One glaring error is that Paul Marcinkus was not a Cardinal, but an Archbishop and maybe this story is full of lies...who knows. Maybe Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI also faced similar outside pressure to abdicate when the SWIFT banking system was suspended for the Vatican before his resignation and then it was restored after his resignation.
There isn't an Amazon Rite, at least not yet. It is expected that after the Synod is finished there will be a Committee (with some fancy title) appointed to devise a new Amazonian Rite liturgy for the Mass. What happened in the Vatican gardens wasn't a liturgical rite as we have at Mass. They had some indigenous chanting around the newly planted tree followed by speakers giving talks or homilies. I think the whole shebang was dedicated to St. Francis of Assisi. I'm fairly sure that any changes incorporated into a new Amazonian Rite will come with restrictions on where, when and how it can be used. In other words, it's unlikely that a priest can add bits of it to the normal Latin Rite Mass approved for each diocese. Masses in the Amazonian region will be either Amazonian Rite or the Ordinary Form of the Mass. Masses outside that region will continue to be the Ordinary Form and a priest will need special permission from the Bishop to use the Amazonian Rite. That's my not well informed opinion. Perhaps Mario or someone else could give a more well informed opinion of what's likely to happen. I thought that guy's story about the murder of Pope John Paul 1 was a load of baloney. According to this account of his death, he died while reading some papers in bed, still wearing his reading glasses: https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/11/07/nun-relives-moment-she-found-pope-john-paul-i-dead/ The mobster who claims to have been there at the murder sounds rather crazy. He says that he stayed outside the room while the Pope was being poisoned because he would go to Hell if he stood and watched. He seems to be saying that the Cardinal(s) who murdered the Pope did so painlessly to curry favour in the afterlife. And he says that when they all died they would need him to testify before God on their behalf - that he would be their witness!!!!! Maybe the poor man is crazy or on heavy medication which affect his mind. God help him.
Look what happened to Cardinal Pell when he tried to get to the bottom of the banking mess. In the novel Vaticam Malachi Martin goes in to all this. Marcinkus and company. It's not pretty.
So would I. At the same time, I afraid of what they will come up with. Mary Joe Anderson is covering the Synod for the Catholic World Report. Here's an article she wrote after the last press conference on Friday: https://www.catholicworldreport.com...zz-phrases-rehashed-goals-talk-of-conversion/ Her most telling observation about the Amazonian Rite discussion is in a response to someone who commented on the article. The comment she replied to was mostly about the Synod's spokespersons' inability to give an example of what would constitute an ecological sin. Here's what she said (emphasis mine): "I suspect the briefing panel was too busy preparing for questions about Cimi and REPAM $ from pro-abortion Ford Foundation to even guess the question of ecological sins might be posed. Much of the language/terminology used to expand upon concept of integral ecology is drawn from decades old “world spirit” babble used by various iterations of New Ageism. Meanwhile, the discussion group led by CDF ++Ladaria is giddy for an Amazon Rite with theological and spiritual elements of the region." Incidentally, did you know that Cecile Richards, former President of Planned Parenthood, is a Trustee of the Ford Foundation?
Pope John Paul 1 could have been murdered and the man who wrote that book might have heard something about it but what that newspaper article quotes him as saying sounds like the ravings of a lunatic. That said, Cardinal Marcinkus was on the famous (or infamous) list of Freemasons in the Church: https://onepeterfive.com/staunch-dubia-opponent-father-pinto-famous-list-freemasons/ Edward Pentin's twitter feed is always worth reading, especially so during this Synod: https://twitter.com/edwardpentin?lang=en As well as some more pictures of the terrible paganism on display in the Vatican, he posted this link to a list of Catholic organisations which received grants from the Ford Foundation since 2006: https://www.fordfoundation.org/work...s=&thematicareas=&search=&SearchText=catholic They put a lot of money into self-styled Catholic "Right to Decide" organisations especially in Latin America.
More pagan ceremonies in Rome and the people are eating it up: https://twitter.com/1catherinesiena/status/1185632511646404608 It starts out by "blessing" the people using a pagan religious ritual of burning something (usually sage) to use the smoke to "cleanse" them. This is used in witchcraft. Then they lay down the Cross in front of their pagan goddess. Notice the Cross is empty. It is not a Crucifix. Interestingly someone in the comments notes that the ceremony with the smoke is called "smudging". Does everyone remember our old friend "Smudger"? His name was apropos.
Attending this let alone permitting or promulgating it is equivalent to putting your head in the lion's mouth to count his teeth.so dangerous that I gasp at the absolute foolishness of it. They dont believe the Church teachings going back 2000 years about idols being demons and the danger of "fellowship with demons" as St Paul says. They have no faith. But they will find out should God permit the demons to take hold. (I.e. Edward Pentin's interview in NCR with a British lady who was "prayed over" by a shaman) this is no joke!!!! This is not harmless. There is nothing safe about any of this. It is a good rehearsal for the abomination of desolation if not the real thing.
Oct. 18, 2019 Amazon Synod: Don’t Impose Old Agendas on the New World EDITORIAL: This attempted imposition of contentious and discredited Church concepts on the Amazon by Europeans and North Americans is nothing less than theological colonialism. The Editors | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/amazon-synod-dont-impose-old-agendas-on-the-new-world In an interview on Oct. 7 with the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, Cardinal Robert Sarah deplored the effort by some in the Church to use the Synod of Bishops on the Pan-Amazon Region as a laboratory to profoundly alter Catholicism. The African cardinal was referencing some of the central synodal themes of discussion, such as ordination of married men, “ordained” women’s ministries and a radical interpretation of inculturation and syncretism. “These points touch the structure of the universal Church,” said Cardinal Sarah (whose new book the Register reviewed). “Taking advantage to introduce ideological plans would be an unworthy manipulation, a dishonest deception, an insult to God, who guides his Church and entrusts to it his plan of salvation.” This attempted imposition of contentious and discredited Church concepts on the Amazon by Europeans and North Americans can be characterized in another way — as theological colonialism. Underway within the synod halls, as well as outside that gathering, are thinly veiled efforts to enshrine their ideological agendas in one impoverished region of the world, allegedly out of necessity, and then, as Cardinal Sarah noted, to export them across the universal Church. The fear that theologically heterodox ideologies might be manipulated into the synod, which closes Oct. 27, has been prominent ever since the synod organizers released the instrumentum laboris (working document) in June. The document included a laundry list of proposals, some of which have long been part of the agenda to alter foundational Church teaching. That caused several cardinals, including Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to sound the alarm that the working document was offering a “false teaching.” Concerns over the problematic instrumentum laboris were dismissed by the synod’s general secretary, Cardinal Lorenzo Baldiserri, who reminded the gathered press Oct. 3 before the synod began that the document bears no magisterial weight. That was followed at the very opening of the international gathering by Pope Francis’ Oct. 7 declaration that the instrumentum must be seen as “a martyr text” that must be destroyed for the synod to do its work. All of that would have been more reassuring had the Holy Father not been followed a few minutes later by the official he appointed to guide the proceedings, 85-year-old Brazilian Cardinal Claudio Hummes. The former Vatican official gave an opening address in which he bluntly put forward the viri probati (ordination to the priesthood of married “men of proven virtue”) as a topic to be discussed. He was followed, at synod press conferences throughout the opening week, by various bishops who advocated for the ordination of married men and women deacons. Emblematic of this persistent effort to further theological colonialism and shape public opinion was Bishop Emeritus Erwin Kräutler, former bishop of Xingu, Brazil, who is believed to be the main author of the instrumentum laboris and has long been an advocate for an end to clerical celibacy. In a news conference at the Holy See Press Office, Bishop Kräutler declared, “There’s no other option” but to ordain married men in the Amazon, declaring, “Indigenous people don’t understand celibacy.” He went on to promote the idea of women deacons, arguing, “We need concrete solutions, and so I’m thinking of the female diaconate.” He later admitted to the Register that he would like to see women eventually ordained as priests and that the synod “may be a step” to achieve that goal. All of this was discussed despite the fact that Pope Francis has stated categorically on multiple occasions that the ordination of women is a closed door. Nevertheless, projects warned about by Cardinal Sarah and others have been going for some time. Catholic groups, some operating under the aegis of the German bishops, have been funding social justice and aid projects in the Amazon for many years. For example, the most prominent group in organizing and running the synod, the Pan-Amazonian Ecclesial Network (REPAM), describes its primary purpose as advocating for the rights and dignity of indigenous peoples in the Amazon. It is closely supported by the region’s bishops’ conferences, and Cardinal Hummes is its president. But it also collaborates closely with the German bishops’ Latin American relief organization, Adveniat, which provided in 2016 alone 3.2 million euros to sponsor various projects in the Amazon. A second German aid organization under the German bishops, Misereor, gave more than 52 million euros to finance 337 projects across Latin America and the Caribbean. Both Adveniat and Misereor have organized events highlighting Amazonian spirituality throughout the synod, along with CIDSE, a network of European and North American Catholic social-justice organizations headquartered in Brussels. This close financial connection raises alarm because at the precise moment the Pan-Amazonian synodal process is underway, the German Church is pushing forward, despite the public opposition of senior Vatican officials, with its own “synodal path” that similarly intends to discuss possible changes in the areas of clerical celibacy, ordained ministries for women, and the Church’s teachings regarding sexual morality. This simultaneous timing surely is no mere coincidence. Also, as the Register reported on Oct. 17, the Ford Foundation — which has a long record of funding groups that promote abortion, gender ideology and “LGBT” advocacy — has granted millions of dollars of funds to the Brazilian bishops’ Missionary Council for Indigenous Peoples (CIMI) and to two other organizations that, like CIMI, are members of REPAM and therefore participating actively in the Pan-Amazon synodal process. There are other voices speaking out in the Paul VI synod hall, calling for a thorough renewal of the zeal for evangelization and creative solutions in fostering vocations that do not also demand the abandonment of the Church’s ancient tradition of the discipline of celibacy or the rejection of Church teaching on the ordination of women. They are joined by some of the most prominent leaders in the Church, such as Cardinal Sarah, Cardinal Peter Turkson, the prefect for the Dicastery for the Promotion of Integral Human Development, and Cardinal Marc Ouellet, the prefect for the Congregation for Bishops, who has written a new book exhorting clerical celibacy. Cardinal Sarah understands well the dangers of theological colonialism. In his interview with Corriere della Sera, he warned that if there truly is an effort to use the synod to turn the Church in the Amazon into a laboratory, “this is dishonest and misleading.” He also gave clarity for how all Catholics should react to any abuse of the Gospel, especially in parts of the world most in need of evangelization. Looking at the Amazon, he was “shocked and indignant that the spiritual distress of the poor in the Amazon was used as an excuse to support typical projects of bourgeois and worldly Christianity. It is abominable.”
Some thoughts; When doing a DuckDuckGo search for the word "pope", these are the first two images. Not saying Benedict is still Pope. Just saying it's interesting that both men come up. Been chatting with Orthodox Christians on-line, who are facing their own troubles. They are angry at Patriarch Bartholomew, and angrily compare him to the Pope. There is something about the Pope that just rips people apart.
Hi Carol, Thank you, this article you linked to re the Umbanda / Macumba is very interesting indeed and not surprising to me, in some ways, as I have spent some time in Rio De Janeiro and I was once passing a woman in a tube station, there - she glanced at me and it felt like someone had stabbed me in the heart with a knife, so I believed she had given me what is known as "the Evil Eye." It hurt. I prayed it would not effect me but I'm afraid that perhaps it did... While in Rio, I learned all about the Sincretism and much of this blend comes from the African slaves who passed it down to their descendants, and also from the Natives whom the missionaries evangelised - some of it is a blend of native with African voodoo, If Im not mistaken. Then they take this paganism and blend it with" Santos" or make it look like it has Christian elements. I think the lady who conducts the so called healing and other ceremonies is known as the " Mae dos Santos" or the mother of the Saints. She wears white. Add to that the influence on the Brazilians of a man named Alan Kardeck, who was French and introduced the Brazilians to Spiritualism. He is long dead but there are many, many who follow him still. Its a mess. And also we must not forget that the Priesthood was infiltrated there by Communists and the people learned to distrust many of their Catholic Clergy as a result of decades of that. Can you please tell me about the date you mentioned, 3/18/20 that you feel will be significnt?
Let me offer, while I was in Adoration tonight praying my Rosary, during the decade I devoted to the Warning I felt God tell me the Synod needs to be approved for the Warning to come. Besides, the next Pope may turn some other things on its head. We know things are going to get REALLY out of hand with a future Pope. In the past couple days I have changed my prayers for the Synod to praying for God's Divine Will to be done. He has a far greater plan for us. We know what is coming. We know it won't be pretty. But we are safe through Our Mother and the Holy Spirit, our protector and warrior St Michael. After Adoration, I feel less foreboding of the outcome. Those who are blind and grossly misguided will see come the Warning. They need our prayers to make right choices. That is the greater outcome I think we ought to pray for. I also pray for those on both sides of the Synod. Those we know who generally embrace liberation theology and those of us more traditional Catholics. I pray for our confidence to remain strong in the Truth, no matter what! I guess that wording could be better! Yes, it's wild and really surreal to watch it play out, but St Pio assures-"Pray Hope & Don't Worry". There's a reason for that. Look what he saw coming! Strikes me super ironic. Here I am a Vat II cradle Catholic. I know people got real upset over changes from THAT COUNCIL. This isn't even a Council but a regional Synod and we're worried. Heck, I've found myself in tears over it. Perspective here! Similar to changing my desperate pleas throughout past personal crisis, I have modified my prayers for this. I feel much more urgency to prepare for what may come if the changes from Synod are approved. I feel a greater need to know what my own parish priests feel about the proposed items being discussed and that darn notion of blending Catholism with cultural paganism or shamanism. I can't see our local priests or bishops including any part of an Amazonian rite. Encouraging each other & Peace in our Mother's protection! Love & hugs around!
And then I hear from a friend trying to discern priesthood or marriage for the last year. This Synod of course has his attention differently. Of course he just told me a friend of his left the priesthood to marry. I know I've mentioned him in the past. I think he's still in northern Italy staying with friends.
Prayers for him. This must be a difficult time to try to discern a call to the priesthood. I do feel, though, that if no good men step in, the wolves win.
