Prophesy - GSWYL

So God gave you a message through Verne that he wanted both of you to do an event? Where was this event?

Since you have such thorough knowledge of Verne and his approval from holy priests, and since Verne apparently doesn’t care to answer some specific questions, can you tell us the priests’ names? Are they the same ones who are backing heretic teachings of Fr. Hames Martin?

Can you also explain why one who is having messages from God goes back to the occult in times of weakness? Can you point to any messenger who was approved that did such a thing?

There are many questions that you can help clear up.

 

Why do you want answers about some of these things?

If someone wants to organise a prayer meeting what business is it if yours? It's none of your business!

You are in danger of acting like thought police.

 

I defend the rights of anyone to have a prayer meeting.

I might not agree with everything Billy Graham says at his rallies but I defend his right to preach.

Freedom of worship and freedom of free assembly are core rights

 

So as long as Verne and Fatima organised the prayer meeting as private citizens there ain't much we can do about it.

 

As a Catholic, I worry if some random Catholic who 'hears God' goes around my country holding prayer meetings while "representing Jesus Christ." Catholics are supposed to cherish and protect the name of the Lord, and not allow it to be taken in vain. It wouldn't bother me if that person had sought the permission of his own bishop or of the bishops in the areas in which he was spreading his new revelations. But he--"humbly" but resolutely--will not submit to the authority of his bishop.

When I asked Verne if he held prayer meetings, he replied: "These events happen at random ie: at work, at the store, after church for examples." He didn't mention the multi-state events. That's not a good sign. There is free speech, but there is also misrepresentation. Verne is actually running a "Catholic" mini-ministry not under the authority of the Roman Catholic Church. He makes claims of messages to the world and miraculous healings, but will not submit these for examination. All red flags, or should be, to any Catholic.

Also, Verne claims to know the outcomes of his prayer sessions are miracles because he has worked 'in the medical model for years." This is known as "an argument from authority." Should Verne's authority be accepted at face value?

I have recently gone to see two specialists with a sick family member. These are two of the top surgeons in their field in the US. They are two who see the most "challenging" cases where other doctors have failed. What struck me about them is their clear recognition of the limits of their medical knowledge. They tell us they do not know why things happen sometimes. They limit their comments to their particular specialty and humbly defer to others in separate but related fields. It's a far cry from Verne's global claims of medical knowledge. And it is far, far from what the Church does when it attempts to determine whether a miracle has occurred.

Edited to add: I would never allow myself to be prayed over by a person who had a history of occult involvement, certainly not outside the safe harbor of the Church.

 

Also, this is the endorsment found on the home page of Verne's website:

"Faithful Catholic priests, monks, theologians have read the book "God Speaks Will You Listen"
and found nothing in it contrary to scripture or church teachings"​

It is NOT AN IMPRIMATUR, yet it attempts to convince readers that it fills that very function. Res ipsa loquitur.

 

People can organize as many prayer meetings as they want. Fatima and Verne can visit each other and praye as much as they want. So hopefully that sets the record straight here. There’s reasons, however, why one should ask these questions:

We have a forum member (Verne) who claims to receive messages from God. Who after receiving these messages for years turned back to the occult and said yes to the demon again because he forgot to pray the rosary for protection. He happened to Google his messages and found our forum.

Supposedly God the Father spoke through this forum member and asked another member (Fatima) to go to speak at events in multiple sattes. Both members claim “holy monks and theologians” approved these messages (and then we find out these monks endorse heretical views) and claim miracles at the events that they speak at.

And asking questions about these events makes someone part of the thought police?

Why not just answer the questions? Why not respond to questions (denying previous posts on being possessed, glorified bodies errors) asked must a few days ago - apparently the answers are tough to come by.

This is way past organizing private prayer meetings - and sounds more like John Leary, Charlie Johnston or Fr. Miguel Rodrigue. The questions asked here would help provide answers in the discernment process for others.

 

For those who oppose Verne's messages, why not just stop reading them and don't even visit this forum. There are those who wish to read them, and your negative and cruel posts are much a distraction. Take the advise of St. Paul: "Do not quench the Spirit, do not despise prophesying, but test everything; hold fast what is good, abstain from every form of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22) I certainly do NOT see Verne's messages as evil - but of knowledge of God! I also know that I will receive some negative comments regarding this post, but know that I will not be reading them nor replying to them as I wish only peace.
God Bless.

 

Those who question are following St. Paul's command to test. When they fear there is the possibility of evil present, they encourage others to abstain. This is all in harmony with the scriptures.

 

We all represent Jesus Christ everyday. We take Jesus with us to our jobs and homes. In sanctifying grace, we are temples of the Holy Spirit. That’s what I meant by representing Jesus. Thanks

 

I did not claim to know global medical knowledge. I have studied nursing, psychology, and optometry. In my field of optometry, I know a few items. If you do not understand what I write, let me know. You and I will not agree on what I call random events. We are all called to be witnesses for Jesus Christ. These are just normal people telling me about their problems, Why not pray with them? Random meaning, I did not plan on praying for anyone on a particular day, when I woke up. I believe Jesus Christ is the answer to all of our problems. Why not pray for a person in need. Second, your argument from authority is a misunderstanding by you. All I meant is I am a eye doctor and I am familiar with medical care. For me to see these miracles, was astounding. Most of the healing I have seen , is a result of hospital work and clinical care that has come from medicine. This is coming to nothing but circular reasoning. I have shared what I witnessed with my own eyes. You do not have to believe any of it. But I know what I saw and God healed these individuals. Thanks and God bless you. By the way, the meeting we had in Mn and Wi was a planned event and not a random event.

 

By the way, do you know anything about addictive behavior? There are many alcoholics and drug addicts, who relapse back into their addictions. Any mortal sin unrepented, will send a person to hell. Maybe people in the occult have had the same problem: addiction. So I am not misquoted, I am not an alcoholic or drug addict. In the Bible, David, committed adultery, but he repented. Judas betrayed, but did not repent. Peter denied, but he repented. According to Father Ripperger, any mortal sin opens you up to Satan. I repented and Jesus Christ forgave me. I spoke with the Dolorian Father’s, who are experts in exorcism, and I was told what I need to do is: go to confession, take the sacraments, and that I was being oppressed. You know, there is a lot of confusing information on possession and oppression. I thought at one we time I was possessed. I was wrong. If I confused you, I am sorry. The Dolorian Father’s cleared it up for me. A second priest, who has also worked in the same field, verified the information, from the Dolorian Father’s. Jesus delivered me from the occult. As to one more issue, when I wrote these messages down, I was told to write them down. I was not told what to do with them. I assumed the information was for me and my family only. I put them way because, the messages were for me. Cletus was my friend, so I showed him the messages. To make another point, these events occurred 14 years ago. Just because there are liberal clergy at St John’s in MN, does not mean every cleric there was liberal. I could use this same argument regarding the Vatican. It is a spurious argument for sure. My friend who was very Orthodox Catholic took these messages to orthodox priests, and they told him there was nothing, in these messages against church teaching. Most of them are deceased by now. Another orthodox priest blessed the books. I believe God gave me the information for these messages. What these these clergy said, was there was nothing against church teaching, and it is fine to print a book with the picture. This should clear this up. You have your opinion and I have mine. I have seen God use this book to help others, so I I leave it at that. Remember you are not required to believe in private revelation for salvation. You may find things you do not agree with and that is fine. The most important item is: we both agree Jesus Christ is the only way to God and without him have no salvation . Thanks and God bless you.

 

So, you seemingly took your messages to every conceivable priest in the area, but fail to take them to the only person capable of giving actual Church approval? Honestly, you make the opposite case when you list so many to whom you did show your messages. Did not a single one suggest going through regular channels?

Also, Verne, if I may. Did God ever inspire you to take action against liturgical abuse or error in real life? Did your messages spur you to action within your diocese?
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Are you saying that you have an addiction to the occult, demons, and magic?

The monastery you are referring to publicly endorsed LGBT champion Fr. James Martin - this indicates a lack of orthodoxy at a systemic level. Just as an orthodox Catholic would never claim endorsements from Carinal Cupich indicates adherence to the doctrine of faith, it is curious that you claim that these monks are orthodox.

Perhaps you can name the orthodox monks who reviewed the messages? This could give us a better sense to your claim and put our minds at ease on this topic.

I get that there is confusion at times, and going to experts is the right course of action. And by your current account, you did the right thing in the right way.

But, the timeline of events - how you have explained it - changed, which raises a red flag and leads to my further questions. Let me try to explain it this way:

1) You claimed that you were almost possessed in one of your earlier posts here on the forum
2) When I asked you about that, you claimed that wasn't true and that you were told by priests during your conversion that you weren't

If the second is true, what led you to post that you were almost possess to begin with since it was after your conversion?

Why am I asking so many questions on this? First, occult activity is a major red flag for anyone who claims messages. The fact that you seem to revert back to the occult at times - while in close proximately to claiming divine revelation, is extremely troubling.

But another big issue potential is honesty. Is the story changing, or were you trying to add additional weight to your previous post by adding things that aren't necessarily true?

 

Give us a break, please.

 

Care to explain? Or is that your contribution to the discussion?

Also, for someone who (rightly) questioned at the time Fr. Michel Rodrigue's claims and cautioned people when Dr. Miravalle questioned the potential links to evil spirits in his past, I'm not sure where you are having a problem

 

Almost possessed is not being possessed. I clarified this issue, so there is no need to continue to: repeat yourself or claim I maybe dishonest. I told you what I told you, so I will leave that issue like it is.

 

Second, most of those priests are dead. My friend asked me not to mention names 14 years ago, so I will not divulge those now. The real issue for you: you do not like this book. Fine, just leave it alone. I see no point, in arguing with you over this. If I recall, I have repeated this many times, you do not have to like or believe this book.

 

This is an example of argument by exaggeration. This book was not taken to every priest in the area. My friend took it to clergy he knew to be orthodox. There were other who looked at this book, after it was published. I followed the advice of those including clergy I knew. You do not know much about me. I was only a Catholic for several years, when this book was made. Also what is real life? People who do not know Jesus Christ need to know there is hope. This is real life. About , 20 years previous, I had worked on David Wilkerson’s crusades and saw the Holy Spirit deliver many from the bondage of sin. As a child, I remember leading others to Christ. The most profound experience growing up, was when Jesus and my guardian angel appeared to me as a child. This is what I know my mission is: evangelizing those who do not know Jesus Christ. My mission is not church or liturgical abuse. That is for someone else. God will judge me on whether I fulfilled my mission. This book is just one part of my mission. Thanks

 

Verne, I was thinking of a Church Militant story, which mentioned a man with your same name in regards to a Tucson parish controversy. If this is a mistake, I apologize.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news...liturgical-abuses-and-affirms-lgbt-lifestyles

And the "seemingly every priest" was an exaggeration to make the point that the more people you showed your messages to, the fewer excuses you had for not adding one more.