Franciscan interpretation of Revelation chapter 12 (the Great Apostasy)

I find it intriguing and rather suspicious that sites such as SGT report and other alternative so called news sites latch on to claims like this which reinforce their twisted notions of the church and push this view to those who know virtually nothing about the church.

 

So that priest is the source of all the garbage telling us that we're hypocrites for holding out for an ethical vaccine if we don't renounce nearly all other medicines and resort to organic gardening for our food? I thought that the Distorter or America Rag-azine might have been the source. Maybe even they wouldn't stoop so low. Then again, perhaps Patheos simply beat them to it.

 

https://www.ncregister.com/features/catholic-priest-shares-his-story-of-life-with-autism

 

truth

 

Maybe people were reluctant to set him straight because they were sensitive to his autism. It's a pity, really, because people with autism tend to be meticulous so he might have written a correction/clarification had he known that he had been misled and, in turn, was misleading others. It is surprising that the doctor he cites as his source was unaware of the error. If someone had found a diplomatic means of telling him the full facts, he would know to be more careful of his sources in future.

 

I think Fr Schneider has some very redeeming qualities. We need to be very careful of how we speak of others, especially priests. He has in the past been orthodox. I am just saying I don’t know everything there is to know, but.....

 

Thank you for giving him at least some benefit of the doubt. I remember him from when I was on twitter.

 

It is a pity that he didn't reach out to pro-life people with vast experience of fighting the abortion industry and the billionaire pharma industry where the obsession with profit makes them too cheap to choose ethical means of developing and testing their product. In the end, all he did was feed the hatred against people who in the not too distant future will be fighting to save babies with autism from being aborted or euthanised as soon as their autism is diagnosed. It's only a matter of time before diagnosis will be possible in the womb or shortly after birth. You only have to read the Twitter feed in response to the news about Cardinal Burke to see the evil of those who will use any excuse to justify abortion. And some of that came from Catholics who believe they have right on their side.

 

He is from my Archdiocese. I am fortunate to have a pro-life pastor in my parish. We all do the best we can. It seems the tide is higher against us all the time. But we know God wins. And we know He isn't finished with any of us just yet. As I said, I don't know everything, just bits and pieces, but I honestly think Fr. S is sincere. It bothers me that Brian said "maybe he is simply an arrogant yet ignorant jerk."
We are in armchair quarterbacking territory here. I am guilty of it as well, under other circumstances.

 

It isn't armchair quarterbacking to point out that the article was misleading and poorly researched. Neither is it armchair quarterbacking to point out that a Catholic priest could be expected to check with experienced pro-life advocates before publishing it. Brian may have read other articles written by the priest, giving him reason to have formed his opinion.

We have to give Father the benefit of the doubt by supposing that he was merely mistaken and didn't deliberately set out to misinform his readers. It doesn't change the fact that such articles serve only to entice Catholic fence sitters into the abortion camp. I must admit to being puzzled why any orthodox Catholic would contribute to Patheos. If they truly are orthodox, they must feel like dousing themselves in holy water after every contact with that dreadful publication.

Let's hope and pray that some day Autism won't join Down's Syndrome as a condition that Iceland boasts doesn't exist in that country. Hint: they didn't find a cure for Down's. Pray, particularly, that a cure for Autism is found before they find a way of diagnosing it in the womb.

 

I think Father is being treated unchairitably on this thread so it is the responsibility of Christians to defend his name.

Arrogant jerk?

Fed the hatred against pro-lifers?

"deliberately intended to confuse or mock conservative/orthodox pro life individuals"?

You are judging his intentions.

May I remind posters here that detraction is a sin. It becomes more serious when the person is a person in authority (Catholic priest).

In his defence, the Church teaches that the use of these vaccines can be justified. This was addressed directly by official Church teaching under Pope St John Paul II.

 

Charity? What Father wrote was repeated ad nauseum by shills for the pharma industry and bullies who tried every which way to force vaccines on everyone. And it was used to target Catholics. Get back to me when Father publishes something condemning the hatred spewed by the vaccine bullies.

 

Yes, charity.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church...

2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty:

- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;

- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;

- of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.
2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:
Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.

2479 Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one's neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity.

 

I said I was guilty of this. Two wrongs don’t make a right. I keep saying that. It’s true Catholic teaching. And my priest told me that detraction can be serious. I think we can discuss the facts without imputing motives or calling names. We are all going to be judged one day.

 

I don't usually bother reading anything from either Patheos or Br. Bugnolo. I regard one as fish wrap. The other seems to be more than a little weird.

What troubles me most is what appears to be an attitude that ordination confers both infallibility and indefectibility depending on whether or not the cleric is saying what the person wants to hear on the hot button issue of the day. Where abortion is concerned, the move now is to use every opportunity to accuse any pro lifer of being only pro-birth unless the pro-lifer is another Mother Teresa. I give the priest in this case the benefit of the doubt as to motive but that's the kind of person who used his faulty research to push pro-lifers into co-operating with evil. Never letting a crisis go to waste, they used his article to help quash any hope of putting pressure on pharmaceutical companies to stop working with the abortion industry. Father, whether or not he was aware of it, has helped make that practice appear moral.

Picking lines from the Bible to support such a sorry situation is doubly sad. Thou shalt not kill is written on our hearts. We don't have to be living saints to see the evil in it. How have we reached the stage where buckets full of incense to Moloch are being passed off as good? We all need to reflect on that.

All that said, Bugnolo isn't someone I would trip over myself defending. He was right about this but he's the last person I would turn to as a source on anything, especially anything concerning the state of the Church.

 

I like your final paragraph. It sums up my views as well.
Edit
That was the point that NSD and I were making
at the beginning of this thread.