Suppression of Tridentine Latin Mass

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Muzhik, Dec 19, 2021.

  1. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    The tragic response of many bishops to the Covid plandemic, coupled with this vicious and demonic attack on the TLM, guarantees tremendous growth and wider acceptance of the SSPX, and for good and valid reasons.
     
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  2. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

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  3. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Wouldn't Eucharistic miracles be a sign of confirmation that the Novus Ordo is accepted by God? What is bound by Peter is bound in Heaven, and what is loosed by Peter is loosed in Heaven... Again, how can a prior pope have more authority than a later pope? I haven't had this sufficiently explained to me. I just want it to be very clear because this is such a grave issue.

    I'm going to follow my bishop either way. I'm very much hoping he invokes Canon 87.
     
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  4. Frodo

    Frodo Archangels

    I'm not sure who is saying that the Eucharist at NO masses aren't valid... certainly no one here on this forum? The question for some doesn't lie in validity, the issue would be efficaciousness - or what is more pleasing and fitting to God and a better vehicle of His grace.

    I also wouldn't necessarily use the context of miracles as validation of certain prayers or associations. God is free to touch the lives of his children wherever He so wishes. For example: some may argue that miracles at protestant services may validate their standing - where if they indeed took place would be far from the truth (I know you aren't saying this PF, just using this as an example that should strike us all as obvious).

    I agree that the situation is indeed very grave. It is time for the Priests/Bishops to make a stand. For the average lay person I'm less convinced that we are put into much of a bind (yet). I do not see how any of these documents prevent us from attending a TLM that is offered. Our moral duty is to make our voices heard loud and clear - and I'm sure that our voices will be heard one way or the other.
     
  5. Liza

    Liza Principalities

    It seems to me that this could be the first step in attempting to suppress the Eucharist. We know at some point the daily sacrifice, the Eucharist, will be replaced by the abomination of desolation (heretic practices). Changing the Latin mass for any new practice will not be possible, so it needs to be suppressed. The Synod will likely start the other changes. Praying that we all continue to have access to the Eucharist, that gives us strength.
     
  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you for this post, Frodo. I went to a TLM on the First Friday of this month. The priest said that we don’t know what is going to happen. Well, now things have materialized. This priest will say the TLM on First Friday next month. I’ll see what he says then.
     
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  7. Andy3

    Andy3 Powers

    Many exorcists say the devil hates Latin. Things that make you go hmmm for sure.
     
  8. AED

    AED Powers

    Exorcists say this too. Its the ancient liturgical language of the Church. Makes you wonder why modernist prelates hate it so much.
     
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  9. Ananchal

    Ananchal Vigilans

    I’m so thankful that I was able after two years to get the 9 first fridays in while attending TLM masses!!
     
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  10. Mario

    Mario Powers

    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  11. Muzhik

    Muzhik Powers

    Here is an article that may shed some light on the subject:
    Busting the Myth of the Tridentine Mass

    In short, the Latin mass can be traced back almost a thousand years before the Council of Trent. What had happened is that in some locations they might (for example) have extra prayers before or after the consecration; some prayers were said in some locations but not others, etc. All these different rites and rubrics had the same formula used for the Consecration; still, the differences led to confusion. Pius V did not create the Tridentine mass; what he did was consolidate all of these regional variations into a common form. His declaration about being used "in perpetuity" was to maintain this common rite in the Latin church.

    Since V2 didn't abrogate the TLM (they literally could not) AND the Novus Ordo still maintains the same prayers of consecration, then yes, it is still valid and licit, the same way the Byzantine Mass of John Chrystosam is also valid and licit.
     
  12. Michael Pio

    Michael Pio Archangels

    The cause of the eucharistic miracles in Legnica/Sokolka/Buenos Aires was mistreatment of the sacred host, something unlikely to occur in a Traditional Latin Mass (TLM). The mistreatment has been accepted by Our Lord, although literally with a bleeding heart.
    A Supreme Pontiff, such as Pope Pius V, has authority to bind, provided by the King of Kings Himself, when He gave the authority to St. Peter to bind and to loose. Whether the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter does or does not have this authority has been the subject of debate.
    With Quo Primum, Pope Pius V cofirmed that the TLM, which effectively dates back to the apostles, represents the holy eucharist as given by Our Lord on Maundy Thursday. For that reason, Pope Pius V confirmed the TLM is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, forever. For the same reason, Pope Benedict later confirmed via Summorum Pontificum that the TLM has never been abrogated.
     
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  13. Muzhik

    Muzhik Powers

    My sense/gut feeling is that with length of time the TLM has been used and the many positive statements by different popes over the years, that Pope Pius V's statement has the effect of a statement of infallible doctrine.

    Given the strictness of the directives issued by Pope Francis, it is reasonable to believe that the intent is to restrct the use of the TLM (without actually forbidding it's use) that within 20 to 40 years no priests will be around who actually have experience in saying the TLM.
     
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  14. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    That may not matter if the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary occurs before those projected dates.
     
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    Catherine L Archangels

  16. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    I appreciate his wisdom and guidance. He is charitable and respectful while speaking the truth. His advice to the laity is not disobedience, but to make constant appeal to the pope and our bishops, along with serious prayer for God to come to our assistance.
     
  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes, Bishop Schneider is the real deal.
     

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