Everyone will know what just happened to them was “Directly from God.” The immediate reaction of Catholics will be to run to confession. The lines will be around the block. Non Catholics will have a million questions and will seek answers! It will most definitely be discussed. Eventually on social media or the internet but probably not immediately if those platforms are still running. Peace!
Yes, I agree. The following is my understanding If there is too much of ME in this description, may Glenn blow me out of the water: There will be a worldwide reaction, discussion, and response. It will awaken in the hearts of billions the reality of a God who knows them intimately and cares for them. Healing confessions and conversions will abound. Priests will be exhausted by these requests for Confession. Numerous millions will enter the Church with fervor. The devils will be filled with dread. But then, the enemies of Christ will reorganize after the Miracle to offer a alternative, demonic rationale. At this point, the ultimate outcome will weigh in the balance. If turning to God holds firm, then a blessed time for the Church will emerge. If the counterfeit offered by the enemies turns the world back in the direction of our current state of affairs, the Chastisement will come. Pray and fast! O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us!
If I had the time today , I would have said exactly this. The JHW interview has awakened alot of people, everyone wants an interview now.
February 1963, Joey (Lomangino ) made another trip to Italy. He went back to see Padre Pio, who heard his confession and . . . miraculously restored the use of his olfactory sense . . . while the nerve still remains severed! Joey tells the story : "when I knelt down to receive Padre Pio’s blessing, and got the fragrance of roses that came from the wounds in his hands, I was startled and went against the wall with my arms up to protect myself; I didn’t know what it was. Padre Pio pulled down my hand and said in Italian, “Joey, don’t be afraid.” He then touched me on the bridge of my nose and my sense of smell was restored to me after being without it from the day of my accident in June 1947, which was 16 years." Joey asked Padre Pio if the Virgin was appearing in Garabandal ,and was it true. Padre Pio would encouraged him to go to San Sebastian de Garabandal, after he had assured him very clearly that, "Yes, it is true, the Blessed Virgin is appearing at Garabandal When Joey returned to NY, he started spreading the news of apparitions of the Blessed Mother in Garabandal. From the 'Garabandal' Book, by J. Serre, pages 166-167
Glenn, you mention Joey Lamangino, and as a newbie on this forum with great interest in Garabandal, Joey's death before the seeing the miracle appears to be the biggest obstacle of belief for many. I read on anther reputable website that it was Conchita's understanding that the vision would be with his own eyes in the normal way, not "seeing from heaven" as some have suggested. I did read here where you stated that Joey may have chosen to offer his suffering to God and forego seeing the promised miracle. While this is possible, I am just wondering if there are other facts about the prophesy concerning Joey that I am missing, any conclusions Conchita draws from his death before the miracle, or any other possible explanations. Thanks.
Okay, in my research this is something that is disturbing my faith in Garabandal: 1) Conchita says "3 more popes" but witnesses hear her mention the short reign of one pope, so technically, "4 more popes." So far so good. But I just read a transcript of an interview in the early 1980s with Monsignor Francisco Garmendia, Auxiliary Bishop of New York. https://ourlady.ca/2020/02/conchita-interviews-parts-1-3/ In it Conchita mentions the 3 popes part of the prophesy but does not mention anything about actually being four! The bishop even restates the shocking fact the third pope limit is upon them! Why would she not explain this to him? Why no clarification? 2) Four popes and then the "end of the times". Paul VI, JPI, JPII, Benedict--that's four. Francis makes five. He is also a pope, no? Why is the current reigning pope (Francis) not counted when adding up popes? Yes, with him we enter "the end of times," but he also officially a pope. Glenn on JHW show: "After the passing of the four popes, we will enter into "the end of the times." So Francis will be the first pope in the "new times"? But Conchita doesn't really phrase it to the bishop that way. She pretty much leaves it hang at 3. If one accounts for earlier witnesses, we can say four. But to say Francis is really not #5 but is #1 of a new era is problematic and seems like moving the goalposts to me. Help my doubts.
You’re thinking way too much. It’s quite simple., Pope Francis is “Not #5” but is the First Pope of the New Era. There’s “no moving goalposts.” With the Death of Pope Benedict XVI, we ended an era and have begun a new one-the Time in which the Garabandal events will happen. At the time of the apparitions when Conchita told her mother all of this, she did say 3 Popes but actually then said- 4 but “the Virgin didn’t count one of them Bec of his short reign.” You need to know Conchita to understand her ways and thinking. She is soft spoken, humble and will not give specific, all encompassing details on lesser Garabandal info unless you ask her specifics-she doesn’t volunteer them. She will advise above all to be good and live the messages. But even then, even in the 1980’s, which is natural for anyone, may not remember every detail that was said 20 years earlier. Nor does she try to. Can you imagine what kind of burden it is for her to carry the Miracle date with her all this time and not being able to tell anyone, not even her family? No you can’t and neither can I. God Bless her for that and everything she has done to tell everyone about Garabandal. So it’s 4 Popes-St. Pope Paul VI, JP1, St JPII and Pope Benedict. End of an era. New Era begins-Pope Francis. Not nec to mention “Pope 1.” What is important now is the New Era and Garabandal event era. We are at that now! “For those who believe no explanation is necessary, for those who don’t, no explanation will suffice.” Peace!
The info about her being shy and hesitant to divulge info is accurate and she is very impressive in every interview I have seen--no inconsistencies. But...sigh...you really haven't supplied an answer to the paradox other than your theory that Pope Francis is #1 vs. #5. Conchita's on record answers simply doesn't support that logic. No one who heard that interview would come to the conclusion you have. She is very willing to clarify interviewer's errors when she has to. She doesn't come anywhere near to stating what you are saying. I am hoping Glenn in his conversations with her going back pre Pope Benedict, can confirm that the mathematics you are using (#5 is actually #1) was always the case. Thanks.
Yes there other prophecies and thoughts to consider. I had several thoughts that came to my mind when Joey passed. “My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, So are My ways exalted above your ways, And My thoughts above your thoughts.” (Is. 55: 8-9) “Oh, the depth of the riches Of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are His judgments, And how unsearchable His ways.” (Rom. 11:33) Joey’s Offering. I asked Conchita very directly, " was it a Priest who told you that Joey had offered his eyes up in exchange for something, I had heard this ? She told me, " No , it was Joey himself who told her that he never prayed for himself when offering up his suffering, he offered them up to be united with Jesus's suffering, and for the Church to accept and recognize Garabandal". To me this explains why he had so many heart attacks, falling down and being injured, bad reaction to some medication, and passing before the return of his sight. Phone conversation with Conchita Nov 9. 2022 (see letter below) *What did Mary say EXACTLY to Conchita to tell Joey? She said “that you shall see on the very day of the Miracle. “ - MANY PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED THESE WORDS OVER THE YEARS,BUT ALL MARY SAID WAS “YOU WILL SEE THE VERY DAY OF THE MIRACLE” , but he will see the Miracle. DID JOEY FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS MARY ASKED FOR ? Most people have never heard about this part of the promise ! Most people did not know that Joey suffered greatly the last two years of his life, and in addition to being blind, he became nearly deaf and was so weak from several heart attacks, he was so weak he could not attend daily mass. So, Did Joey fulfill saying the prayers he was supposed to say each day , to fulfill the prophecy to regain his sight ? Mary said : "Joey do you want to see again?" "Yes." "Then you pray. Say 17 Hail Mary’s, 7 Acts of Contrition, 5 Our Father’s 3 times a day. “ IS JOEY PART OF THIS PROPHECY ??? On December 6, 1962, Conchita had a 90 minute ecstasy around 5:30 in the afternoon after which, she provided more pieces of information regarding the Miracle: “One day, before the Miracle, something will happen that will cause many people to stop believing in the apparitions of Garabandal. “ Jesus comments on belief of Garabandal before the Miracle From Conchita, Dairy pg. 204, 1966: He [Jesus] replied..."I want to tell you, Conchita, that before the miracle occurs, you will suffer much, for few people will believe you. Your own family will believe that you have deceived them. I am the one who wants all this, as I have already told you, for your sanctification and so that the world may comply with the message. I wish to advise you that the remainder of your life will be a continual suffering. Do not be frightened. In your suffering you will find me and also Mary whom you love very much... I will be with whoever suffers for me." How many people continued to believe in Christ and his message, after he died? How many believed Mary when she said ( as a virgin ) she conceived a baby from the Holy Spirit ? How many people mocked our Lord as he died on the cross, reminding him he said he would rebuild the Temple in 3 days, yet he was nailed to a cross now. The truth is revealed in God’s time and manner, not our limited human ones for understanding. For God , NOTHING is impossible ! The famous story when Mary kissed a makeup compact in one of her visits, and everyone was dumb founded as to why, when she asked to kiss only sacramentals, and she kissed this object of vanity ? Only later did she reveal that it was in fact a PYX ,used during the Spanish War to carry communion to the soldiers ! Again , we had to wait for the Heavenly answer. There is some “fluidity’ in prophecy also, God can alter prophecy . Moses was promised and appointed to take his people into the promised land, but we read in Numbers (20:1-12) Moses did not enter the promised land because of his sin at the Waters of Meribah, which took place during the last year of the Israelites' wandering in the wilderness. In Genesis 18 , The lord said :“The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous” (The Lord intends to destroy it) but Abraham “changes” God’s mind to destroy the faithless people of Sodom for the sake of only 10 righteous people. Remember when God sent his prophet Jonah to the city of Nineveh, the capital of Assyria (one of ancient Israel's fiercest enemies), Jonah's initial message seems to be one of inevitable doom: "Forty days more, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!" (3:1-4) Contrary to Jonah's own expectations, however, the Ninevites respond to his preaching by believing in God, proclaiming a fast, covering themselves with sackcloth and ashes as signs of repentance, and praying to God not to destroy them. (3:5-9) As a result, God changes his mind and does not destroy the city of Nineveh . It is possible here too ,that Joey’s sufferings at the end of his life (and they were numerous and great ) that God granted him his Heavenly reward early, and also to fulfill the prophecy mentioned above, to cause disbelief, as a test of faith. Nothing can negate the fact that Mary performed hundreds of recorded miracles, with hundreds of eyewitnesses, and photographs, and filmed footage, so his passing has no effect on the validity of Mary’s messages. I think I know how the Apostles felt when Jesus died, after all their labors. Unfortunately, I think I am going to have to wait more than 3 days for my "Easter Miracle", but just like then, when you think all is lost, God provides that miracle. I spoke to Conchita and she too had no fears, stating she was happy Joey was in heaven with our Blessed Mother & Padre Pio. I have a strong suspicion we will be amazed at the Miracle, (and our questions will be answered ). God bless. Glenn
You cannot base your belief or disbelief on anything based on one interview. You need to know the entire scope of everything said By everyone. Study it, read it, from the Books, from the original film and credible documentaries. I will suggest the 3 volumes of “She went in Haste to the Mountain.” If you doubt and have issues on 1 interview I can only pray for you. And I will also say when you have St. Padre Pio and St Mother Teresa, just to name 2, along w St. Pope Paul VI as well, who were believers in Garabandal, and you still don’t believe, I can only pray for you. You or I are not spiritually wiser than they were. Peace!
Tom, John is spot on with his explanation of the 4 popes. Mary first states 3 popes but immediately tells Conchita that she is omitting one of them because of his short papal reign ( so 3 +1 = 4 ) . Francis is the unnamed pope of the "the end of THE times era. So its 4 popes , then the separation of two eras . Here's several documentations on the 4. "The seer employs this disconcerting expression for the first time on the 3rd of June 1963 : “it was the Virgin who said to me: “ After this Pope (St. John XXIII) ,only three remain,and then (will come ) the end of the times”. But the Virgin immediately explains that “she wasn’t counting one of them”. Conchita explains that one doesn’t count because “he would govern the Church for a very short time”. Pope John Paul I with his 33 day pontificate, fulfills this exception prediction. From : “Garabandal: message of Hope”. Fr. Jose Luis Saavedra Pg 201 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Albrecht Weber, the author of the book “The Finger of God“, had become involved in Garabandal in 1963 and became friendly with Conchita. On November 14, 1965, the day after the last apparition of Our Lady in Garabandal, Mr. Weber interviewed Conchita at her home in the presence of her mother. There was also present with Mr. Weber an interpreter. During that interview, it came out that when Conchita had spoken, on the very day that Pope John XXIII died, of “Three more Popes and then would come the end of the times,” her mother had asked her several questions. In response to one of her mother’s questions, Conchita responded that Our Lady had actually said that there would be FOUR MORE POPES but that She was not counting one of them. When Conchita’s mother heard that she strictly forbade Conchita to repeat that again as her mother feared there would be erroneous interpretations and much gossip. People might wrongly believe that one of the Popes might be false or bad, etc. During that conversation with her mother, Conchita also said that Our Lady had told her that one of the Popes would have a very short reign. (which turned out to be Pope John Paul I only 33 days ! ) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THURSDAY, DECEMBER 20, 1962: "Large snowflakes were falling in the early morning of December 20, 1962, when the Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel, during an apparition of ninety minutes, revealed to Conchita that "after Pope John (XXIII), there will come three other Popes and after . . . No, four, for one of them would not really count, the Blessed Virgin told me!" [From 'Garabandal' Book, by Jacques Serre, page 160]
Okay, we have a problem. Barry Hanratty, long-time editor of Garabandal Magazine, in the January-March 1999 Issue wrote: "Since John Paul II is the third Pope, he automatically becomes the one to whom this prophecy refers. And while we don’t know the date of the Miracle – only Conchita knows that -- what we do know is that it will occur within John Paul’s lifetime. Taking into consideration his age and state of health it would seem that it is not far off. May we prepare ourselves for these fateful events of the Warning and Miracle..." https://www.oocities.org/garabandalcentre/Three_popes.htm Nothing about there being four popes (I found an article where he begins this line of reasoning after the death of JPII and refers to the Albrecht Weber interview in 1965), nothing about JPI "not counting" due to his brief reign, nothing about more popes for "a new era." This appears to be proof of goalpost moving after the death of JPII without a miracle. I am not trying to be a skeptic. I just am meticulous in my research. It seems clear that no Garabandal believer in 1999 thought 5 popes would happen without a miracle.
I am indeed studying it. But rather than read a ton of books on every facet, I am employing the falsification theory of the great philosopher Karl Popper: if one finds ONE part of any theory to be false, the theory unravels. I am focusing on the "3 popes" prophesy (I will even grant 4 popes) because that seems its most public and verifiable prediction and its weakest point. I will NOT grant 5 popes at this point. That Padre Pio and Mother Teresa are saints is due to the holiness of their lives, not their prophesies. History is replete with false predictions from saints. I don't really count that as proof. Sts. John Vianney, Pope Pius IX, and Pius X all believed fervently in "Saint Philomena". Vianney even said he received visions of her. Research showed the tale of St. Philomena to be fabricated. She never existed. Pope St. John XXIII ordered her tomb dismantled and her name removed from calendars.
More or less the same as the average priests burden with the seal of confession, except consequentially different. I don’t know her, but she seems to be midway between Melanie and Maximin in regards to her situation.
You're quoting BARRY, not MARY ! She never said that ! I cited 3 written documentations above from MARY TO CONCHITA ! that's 100% proof.
Tom, We obviously have a difference in opinion about how the number of Popes play out, and we're going in circles about that. Here is one of the facts that show the timing of the Warning and Miracle is still in the future. Conchita told Pope Paul VI the year of the Miracle when she visited with him in 1966, so the Vatican possesses that knowledge. Pope Paul VI demonstrated hope and gave Conchita a blessing. If the supposed year of the Miracle has already passed, the Vatican would have come out and condemned the apparitions: case closed. The Vatican isn't known to give reputed visionaries the benefit of doubt when something they state proves incorrect. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
You advise your “not trying to be a skeptic” but you lead with: “Okay we have a problem.” The “goalposts have NEVER and will NOT EVER move!! The Warning & Miracle dates are set by God. The Warning date is known only by God (Mari Loli as well but she passed away RIP) and the Miracle date is known by Conchita and the Holy See. The Vatican, who knows the Miracle date and is being prudent not to approve it until after the Miracle happens, would have condemned Garabandal with that date given by Conchita in her visit to the Vatican in the mid 1960’s and St Pope Paul VI, never changing from that time. If the date came and went and there was NO Miracle-Garabandal would be condemned. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED! The date the Vatican knows-has NOT come yet. Barry, a friend and promoter of Garabandal, may he RIP, also a good friend of Glenn’s, had an opinion of a timeframe. Many people, including many prominent Garabandal people I will not name here, made predictions or had opinions on the date and were wrong. That doesn’t change the facts that there will be a Warning and Miracle. That doesn’t mean the “goalposts have moved.” That NEVER has happened and NEVER will. Barry & others saying “3 Popes, including Conchita in subsequent interviews in the 70’s and 80’s said the same, doesn’t change the FACT that at the time of the apparition, Blessed Mother told Conchita about the number of Popes, Conchita told her mother the “Virgin told me there will be 3 more Popes-No actually 4 more but She wasn’t counting one of them because of His short reign.” The Pope after that ushered in the Garabandal event/New Era. Naming them or numbering them is not important nor changes dates by not mentioning them. You can keep on looking for little inconsistencies and reasons not to believe. And you can NOT believe if you want to. That’s your free choice. But when the Warning happens you and all will see. However at that point it won’t be about “see Garabandal was true,” it will be about the Revelation of your and my sins and How God sees us at that Moment in time, etc. Once again I will state: “For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don’t, no explanation will suffice.” Peace!
Yes, this is true. But if anyone had read or understood the message of Garabandal, it appears to be Barry. He knew every document. And his conclusion in 1999 is that with JPII, the supernatural events must happen. They didn't. I also read his "revised" opinion articles up until Benedict. I guess you can say Conchita is credible but Barry was mistaken. I will concede that.
"If the date came and went and there was NO Miracle-Garabandal would be condemned." This is a very valid point assuming the popes passed on the info to other popes. Was it important enough to them and the proper authorities notified in the chain of command? Maybe "looking for little inconsistencies"/"numbering them is not important" Oh, yes it is, my friend. That's what investigative reproach does. I am not supporting anything this extreme (Garabandal) without an airtight case. Refutations need to be concrete and specific. All the Garabadal facts can be interpreted in many ways except the popes prophesy. It is the smoking gun.
