Escalation - very worrying

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by garabandal, Dec 7, 2022.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    In their arrogance, they believed that Russia was a pushover for their superior weaponry, only to learn the painful lesson that most NATO weaponry is obsolete and was destroyed by Russian arms on the battlefield. They also found themselves being out-produced and NATO is now perilously short of arms, should Russia push westwards. Not to mention full of citizenry so cowardly they hoped and expected that proxies would do the dying for them.
     
  2. Mario

    Mario Powers

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  3. Byron

    Byron Powers

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  4. EricH

    EricH Archangels

    I don't believe the warning is that close. 5-10 years away likely. Still so much that needs to happen. Yes things can happen quickly but this feels like a build up to a severe tribulation that will last several years. And then the warning will happen at the end of that according to Garabandal
     
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  5. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    I don't like your view, but it is possible.
     
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  7. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    One think you can cite many reasons. Different actors pursue different interests, oh it's complicated and nobody will be able to explain it to you in full. Not even the political players.
    One of the reasons is the title of a Rand Corporation paper - "Overextending and Unbalancing Russia". It just backfired.
    Former leaders (Merkel, Hollande, Poroshenko) also confirmed that the 2014 Minsk agreement only served to buy Ukraine time to become stronger militarily.
     
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  8. EricH

    EricH Archangels

    I don't like my view either, but I think it's unfortunately likely. Time will tell. Hope I'm wrong
     
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  9. Mario

    Mario Powers

    A good summary, DeGaulle. And of course, one of those pushing for escalation of fighting between Ukraine and Russia back around 2020 was Senator Lindsay Graham who receives most of his campaign funding from defense contractors. Preach resistance against the evil Putin and receive campaign monies at the same time. What could be better? I realize my belief is riddled with skepticism and sorrow, but I look at the hundred of billions of dollars wasted by us in this war and the 6-figure number of lost lives among Ukrainian soldiers and weep.:cry: And who is running for the Presidency in 2024, but one of Graham's fellow warmongers, Nikki Haley. With this horrible war presently quieting down, she hasn't shown her cards, yet.

    Lord have Mercy!
     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Agree agree agree
     
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  11. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    That's all true, I wouldn't disagree with you or DeGaulle in any way.
    I usually also think about what exists a little bit below the mainstream superficiality.
    However, I am also thinking about this more and more often:

    We know the puppets that are presented to us and we know the master of puppets at the very top level.
    Some puppets on the intermediate levels are sometimes recognisable, but the higher and highest structures are hidden from public view.
    (Mario, you know what I mean, you once wrote about a book on freemasonry. Most people here will think so, i think)
    The puppets/players at the lower levels are probably mostly lured with money and/or they can be blackmailed.

    At the highest levels, earning money is just a side issue. They already have enough. These people want to exert power and influence to steer world events.
    We will never know who they are.
    (One can speculate - Vanguard/StateStreet etc. belong to Blackrock, if one knew who controls Blackrock, one would perhaps know some of the players at the second or third highest levels).
    But it is sometimes fascinating how different government structures and groupings do what they are supposed to do. Who has so much influence and how?
    I can rarely explain how it works.
    (Edit: just a rhetoric question -) Freemasons, Satanists, Kabbalists, whatever you call them, who are they?
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    They don’t want to be identified. You spoke truth here.
     
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  13. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Reading the BOLD above, incorrectly implies I'm a novelist who wrote about freemasonry. Actually, I was only commenting on a superb book edited and republished by Joshua Charles entitled: The War of the Antichrist with the Church and Christian Civilization.:sneaky::whistle::coffee:
     
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  14. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    There's more at stake than Ukraine and Western Europe. As well as heading off the potential challenges from BRICS, I think the ultimate goal could be controlling the Arctic and its resources. That would explain the rush to get Finland into NATO. Removing Putin and/or Balkanising Russia would have made it easier. Failing regime change in Russia, they need to keep Russia occupied with conflicts along its European border. They will keep Ukraine fighting to the bitter end, telling the Ukrainians how brave they are and drip feeding them weapons. Stoltenberg said last year that NATO has a ten year plan for Ukraine.

    Have a look at this German documentary about the North Pole to get a hint of what lies ahead. I hope and pray that Ireland will never join NATO because I believe it has become an evil organisation. At the same time, the alternative to US/NATO hegemony and hubris isn't very appealing.
     
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  15. padraig

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    George Orwell predicted this in his book. '1984'. He said that the World would break down into two or three major power blocks , constantly at war. For the people who rule the world the idea of mortality is a joke. It's all about getting things done. of coming out on top.

    People who do not believe in God pride themselves on being independent free thinkers, but in reality they wind up as sheep , being led by the nose. Faith is the only thing saving us from being turned into mindless robots. Sadly I think most people will be satisfied with being robots so long as they're given what they want. The Catholic Church is the biggest danger to the elites. When we get a good Pope again they'll come for us like crazy. The only reason they're not at the moment is that the Vatican is at present on board with their programme.
     
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  16. DeGaulle

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    Russia has just outlawed LGBTetc extremism. These groups don't get much hop in China, either. Russia at least doesn't celebrate abortion and China is trying to reduce it, even if only for absolutely utilitarian reasons. The moral compass seems to have shifted drastically on its axis.

    Personally, a balance of power between two or more blocs seems preferable to a singular hegemony which seems to have completely corrupted the once great United States of America and her European vassals.

    Talk of 'ten-year-plans' for the Ukraine seem nothing but fantasy, given the reality on the ground. NATO's proxy has been militarily defeated and hopelessly weakened. The country is in a slow-motion process of collapse.
     
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  17. EricH

    EricH Archangels

    Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because a country bans abortion or bans lgbt movements that that is automatically a moral good. Hitler murdered homosexuals, as do Islamic countries. The motive and moral behind such laws matters even more than laws themselves. There is nothing moral at all in the Chinese or Russian govts, both of whom see true religion as a threat to them. That is why both have state sponsored religions that they have great control over.
     
  18. Ang

    Ang Archangels

    That’s the truth, never thought about it that way. Could be the reason God is allowing this pontificate. Not only that we are deserving of it, but also to delay the persecution that is to come.
     
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  19. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Sadly, I agree. The purge will come.
     
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  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I think if you reread my first paragraph, I made due allowance for the totalitarianism of both countries. However, my main point was that the enforced 'freedom' of the West represents a greater threat to morals and religion than the more traditional oppression that might exist in these two countries. It is now illegal to pray within a certain distance of abortuaries, in Ireland, and people have been arrested in Britain for the crime of appearing to pray silently. That represents a degree of control, and an aspiration for it, that far exceeds what is happening even in China.

    As for the Nazis' alleged oppression of homosexuals, I'd recommend 'The Pink Swastika', co-written by a Jew and a Protestant Christian for another perspective.
     
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