This thread is about escalation of the current conflict ostensibly between Russia and Ukraine (which, if true, would be more like a civil war). Fatima is the prophecy not only the most specific to that particular area but also the most recent approved prophecy. There's nothing selective about taking the word of the Blessed Mother about the conversion of a specific country. If there's to be some great monarch coming out of France, he'd better hurry up lest France be wiped off the face of the earth if Macron doesn't learn to shut his big mouth.
You know very well that the prophecy about the monarch says that he would come as an instrument of mercy after the punishment, I had to remember the prophecies about the conversion of France because you were using the Fatima prophecy about the conversion of Russia to take advantage of political indoctrination wanting to silence any critic of Putin. By the way, Fátima also denounced the apostasy in the Church that you insist on trying to omit, covering the sun with a sieve, justifying Francis' scandalous statements in the interviews with Scalfari, saying that the Pope must have actually said some Jesuit jargon about the existence of the hell, which is an insult to the clarity of Saint Ignatius of Loyola.
You know very well that I never defended Macron as an example of a necessary leader for Russia, in fact I included Saint John Bosco's prophecy about Paris being the great prostitute in other topics, because I don't use Catholic prophecies to do political indoctrination in a Catholic forum.
Yes, Satan is the great divider, Fiducia Supplicans is an example of this as it has shaken our ecumenical relations with Coptic Christians and even with the Russian Orthodox Church.
If the graces of heaven came to each person in response to some of our merits, then we would all be lost and there would not be a single nation left.
This is quite a wild truth in regards to Reality. Reading St. Faustina's diary how Jesus constantly had to chastise the world and how she constantly supplicated for mercy is eye opening. Same thing in the La Salette apparitions. We get signs, but for some reason we are never sensitive enough to pay attention and correct our ways. I get the sense that in spite of having the Gospel Truth for 2000 years we really only understand a fraction of a fraction of a percent of them. Jesus must be watching and palming his forehead quite often.
The text of the third secret, according to the Vatican, was published on 26 June 2000: J.M.J. The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fátima, on 13 July 1917. I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: 'Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God, something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it, a Bishop dressed in White. We had the impression that it was the Holy Father. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God. Tuy-3-1-1944.[19][23] It seems to me that Mary's intercession was instrumental in saving the world several times.
Can you please elaborate on who Catherine is .. since we've just had the Feast of St Catherine of Siena.
Satan is obviously the great divider, he keeps God's children away from the True Church, the True Catholic Faith, and its dogmas. The Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) is among those that fell away due to the work of Satan, as happened with other schismatic Orthodox churches, as also happened with Protestant churches in other historical periods, I would even say as happened in some way with Muslims in the 6th century and with the Jews in the 1st century. And as with today's Catholics who reject or relativize the true Christian Faith and its dogmatic Truth. Outside the Church there is no salvation, this is one of the basic teachings of our Faith. The ROC is schismatic and heretical! Furthermore, it is the official Church of the Putinist regime that is hostile to the Catholic Church in the lands of "Mother Russia". Kirill, the leader of the ROC, promises salvation to anyone who enlists to go and kill Ukrainians in the neighboring country (including Catholics), as fanatical Muslim leaders do. There is no possible "encounter" path here, as advocated by Pope Francis, between the Catholic Faith and the others. The only path proposed by God is conversion. Conversion to the Catholic Faith does not mean adhering to the Latin tradition, the Byzantine tradition can and must be maintained as with the Uniate Churches, of which the largest and most hated by the Putinist regime and the ROC is the rapidly growing and expanding Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church. The conversion of Russia will happen immediately after a valid Pope consecrates Russia (only Russia) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary with the clear purpose of converting this nation. This has not yet happened, on the contrary, what I have seen on social media is many Catholics converting to Putinism, as if this were a valid alternative to the moral decadence of the so-called Western democracies.
The Greeks invented democracy. They were also the first to realise its catastrophic potential. Even if one lives in a dictatorship, there always exists the possibility of a good dictator. Democracy can only be benevolent if based on a faithful and dominant Christian society, a very rare occurrence and a type of society that has become almost extinct. Outside that rare exception, it quickly reverts to becoming a war of all against all. My point regarding the Christian-dominated society required for a benevolent democracy reminds me of what I am reading in E. Michael Jones' magnificent "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit". He presents the possibility that the 'thousand-year-reign' of Christ, referred to in Revelation, is already over and extended from the Christian absorption of the Roman Empire under the Constantines until the end of the Middle Ages. Considering the accounts of the events that followed, I'm beginning to suspect that this also marked the beginning of the Great Apostasy. Jones' book is long and necessarily so. The great grasp and sweep of history that Jones displays, leaves little doubt that the core of world history has as its locus the struggle between the Church of Christ and his enemies. Nothing has changed, but our generation perhaps needs to realise that this battle is not just our own and is not likely to find a conclusion in our lifetimes, nor indeed any time soon. While there are signs that we might be about to enter a notable stage (what stage isn't?), this great battle is likely to carry on a lot longer (although the trumpets could sound later today).
Was actually thinking about it in bed earlier this morning. The division is even within the Church. The African bishops have collectively rejected it. Even the Dutch (!) bishops have.
The Great Monarch doesn't turn up in prophesy, if I remember correctly, until backs are to the wall. The Russians are meant to reach the Atlantic, being stopped at the borders of Brittanny (which is actually probably the least unfaithful region of France). Macron is more likely a trigger for the events foretold, in which case he is playing a (monumentally stupid) blinder.
I am reading a Chapter of the Bible every day after Mass with great delight and interest. I am so sorry I did not take to doing this years and years ago as it has become a great love and joy. Anyway I am reading first and second Kings at the moment, very long books that are very much concerned with Governance. It is clear from them that God did not want to give the Jews Kings. He specifically warned them of all kinds of evils that would befall them if they had them, things like High Taxation, endless wars and deaths and the Kings basically acting as tyrants and treating them like dog poo. How did God want them ruled? Well He basically wanted them ruled by Himself through people like Prophets and Judges. But the Jews looking at the Imperial Power and kings of other Nations and went starry eyed about it. Big, big mistake
I didn't say that you defended Macron. I'm trying to point out to you that any prophecy about a great French monarch has either been fulfilled or is a long way off. I told you already that I recall reading what seemed to me a credible explanation that Charles deGaulle had fulfilled that prophecy. On that basis, I asked you if there was any prophecy about a great French monarch received after deGaulle's time. DeGaulle is certainly the last leader of France of any merit. I've looked for that interpretation of the fulfilment of the prophecy and can't find it, probanly because it was included with an account of some other prophecy, possibly LaSalette. What I'm also trying to communicate to you is that of all the major characters in the Ukraine conflict, Putin is proving to be the least worst of them. At least he tried to make peace. All the rest lied and cheated. I based that on the facts which have emerged and a realistic assessment of the situation. I don't really care about Putin. I do care very much about my country. I don't want Ireland dragged into this war by a pipsqueak like Macron desperately clinging to power. For all its faults, I love this little country and feel blessed to call it home. It's part of who I am and I don't want it destroyed. And I don't want to see our young people sent to die in a foreign, corrupt country led by a crude grifter willing to see his own young countrymen die by the hundreds of thousand for the his own enrichment and the further enrichment of corrupt American politicians and their faceless financial backers. Now, is that clear enough for you? Our Lady said that Russia will be converted. I believe her. There was no country of Ukraine when she gave that prophecy and it's sure looking like there may not be a country named Ukraine in the future. I don't care about France. A country whose leaders strut around the world like little gods when every year they celebrate a revolution marred by savagery that makes ISIS look like altar boys. And they cap it all off by singing their ugly national anthem composed by a freemason at the request of the lodge's grand master. Now, give me a break about France. At the rate they're going, it could be a thousand years before they produce a leader half as trustworthy as Putin, never mind a great French monarch.
Our Lady didn't say that Russia would be holy before the conversion. She just said that it would be converted. Pope St. Joh Paul was a valid Pope and he did the consecration. Sr. Lucia said that it was acceptable to Heaven. That's good enough for me. It wasn't good enough for those who demanded another consecration because Heaven wasn't working to their timeline and they demanded another consecration. It's really not wise to expect Heaven to speed things up for our satisfaction. I'm inclined to cut Patriarch Kirill some slack. Talks with the Pope had been taking place until the great divider's minions manipulatrd a war. I can also understand why the Patriarch sees this as a war against Satanic forces. And it's not unusual for Bishops to bless thrir countries' forces in wartime. At least the Russians have enough faith in them to seek a blessings. One of the reasons I make allowances for the Patriarch is the kind of abuse he was subjected to by that ugly group called Pussyriot whose main claim to fame was doing a strip act in Orthodox churches and one of them baring her breasts to the Patriarch. That won them celebrity status in the US. In fact, I think that one of them may have been Ukrainian. They went too far when they broke into some public building and were convicted in court. That may not have been their first breach of the civil law (I don't know) but they had a long track record of breaking the moral law, In fact the whole US/Ukrainian project seems to have been mired in all sorts of claims for sexual immorality to be given some kind of special status. The Russians aren't saints but they have yet to sink to the levels of our Western depravity. I'm also very wary of Western propaganda about all things Russian because they've been lying for decades. As to the Ukrainian Orthodox and what I know about the Catholic Bishops and priests in Ukraine, they made a stupid decision to support the US orchestrated coup de tat, pinning their hopes on the depraved, and subsequently supporting an unwinnable war. They're the facts as I see them. There's no need for the Bishops to despair. We can't fix stupid but Heaven can, although sometimes the hard way (I know that from personal experience).
I agree with you, Our Lady did not say Russia would be holy before the conversion... The fact that today it is being governed by a murderous dictator and, as in Stalin's time, it once again resorts to the regime's religion to persecute Catholics, especially n Ukraine, this is proof that we still await the conversion of Russia, which will be holy and will help to convert the world. I also believe that the consecration carried out by JPii was valid, although it did not correspond to what Our Lady asked, hence the effect was not yet as expected. Like any consecration, even personal is always valid and has positive effects. I didn't talk about Ukrainian Orthodox, I talked about the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church, that's the Ukrainian Catholics of Byzantine tradition. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is in a state of schism equivalent to that of the Russian.
Putin said that whoever intervened in the war, in the first weeks, would suffer consequences never seen before. This does not seem to be the attitude of someone who wants to negotiate, but rather of someone who wanted a lightning war that would take over Ukraine's territory in a few days. Malachi Martin, who knew the third secret of Fatima well, said that Russia's conversion would begin in Ukraine, certainly not because of Zelensky, which would be as absurd as supposing that Putin's dictatorship is the beginning of Russia's conversion, but probably through the faith of the Ukrainian people who would undergo a baptism of blood. In fact, if there is one thing I have never denied, it is that Russia will convert, just as I have never doubted any other promise from Our Lady of Fátima, such as the triumph of her Immaculate Heart after the apostasy predicted in the third secret.
Divine intervention can visit France whenever God wants, it is not something that is determined by the character of the current leaders because this has nothing to do with God's designs. I thought I had already made it clear that the monarch comes as the result of divine intervention and not human machinations. If France produces a leader of Putin's moral stature, perhaps it would become very dangerous to have tea or travel by plane after saying that Paris is the great whore of the apocalypse.
