"Finding ways around is", by ordaining women, for example, is exactly the argument of the 'system'. They first create a crisis, then they find a way around it, to further their agenda. For example, creating a virus, then creating a 'vaccine' that is "safe and effective" (most of us know what that means). The system has created modernism to weaken the Holy Catholic Church, now they want female ordination as a way around it. The result would be similar to what we have seen in the Anglican Church, destruction. In my opinion, the correct response is a return to tradition. There is no shortage of vocations in traditional Catholic societies such as the SSPX. The SSPX has just crossed the mark of 700 priests, if I recall correctly. Still small, but gradually growing. Tradition is the solution. Non-traditional ways around it would make the problem worse in the long term, in my opinion. God bless!
I agree, if the intentions are evil, they could be using the appointment of women as a 'Trojan Horse'. We all know that is doctrinally impossible. As far as I know, the appointment of women to administrative posts in the Church is not against doctrine. It is a completely different thing, but if they even begin to attempt to change it into the completely other denial of reality that would be the ordination of women, then that will be the time for all Catholics to go to war. Put it this way, it had been obvious from very early on that Bergoglio was disturbingly sympathetic to homosexuals, even to the point of protecting abusive ones. There would have been little surprise if he had attempted to enact an encyclical to accommodate their behaviour. Yet, he wasn't attacked for this until he actually had done it. We have no evidence that Pope Leo is intent on ordaining women; what he is actually doing contradicts no doctrine (that I am aware of) and there might be other actually positive reasons for his doing this (for example as a sop for the (many) extremists that surround him in the Vatican. Finally, I don't think the 'women priests' issue is the defining one in the present Church, as it was back in the sixties and seventies. Nearly all the mad feminist nuns are dead or nearly so. Oh, we still hear about them, because they're news and the few who are like this get disproportionate publicity. The biggest danger currently is the huge homosexual lobby within the Vatican, who would have little sympathy for the feminists. It is not even inconceivable that the appointment of a nun to an administrative position is a push-back against them. Pope Francis did appoint the first one, but he seemed willing to annoy everyone, even his closest allies. Anyway, let's give poor ould Pope Leo as long as we gave his predecessor to show where his true heart lies. Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst, but the data isn't in yet.
I came across this article this morning and it hit home for me with where the forum is at right now. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/how-to-defend-the-faith-in-the-digital-realm
A very fine opinion peace. The biggest takeaway "Charity first!" Such a good reminder for me. I was so touched by Betty. What a beautiful conversion.
But women priests are part of the homosexual lobby. It’s all about a sterile altar. Just one more strike against the Eucharist. Fr Chris Alar’s latest interview with John Henry Weston touched upon this subject.
A woman 'priest' would certainly, in the most absolute definition of certainty, be a sterile travesty. An empty blasphemy. There might well be a connection between some of the homosexuals and those women seeking 'ordination', but from what one reads of homosexuals, and it is most obvious with the transexuals, is that many of them despise women and would have little interest in promoting the issue. You're right, we must be wary, but I don't think this is as 'hot-button' an issue as it once was. I'd be more worried currently about a homosexual priest who announces (and, boy, do these people know how to get publicity) to the world (and the whole world would hear about it) that he is 'transitioning'.
Another angle on this controversy in Charlotte: https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/at-prevost-meeting-charlottes-martin It appears that this new Bishop Martin, hardly a wet week in the job, is very ambitious, indeed. Then Cardinal Prevost seems to have been politely advising him to hold his horses. It's hard to avoid the suspicion that Martin's continued intentions to steamroll tradition represent an impudent challenge to the new Pope. At best, he seems imprudent.
It amazes me that such a cleric was raised to the position of Bishop; but then, think of the Middle Ages and the likes of those who had Joan of Arc burned at the stake!
I think everyone is worked up because we have low expectations for the Papacy and everyone is tired of globalism. Padraig is right about everything and I am glad he isn't sugar coating it. Even for conversation sake, everyone is now a lot more informed. The truth is that we have been conditioned to think that common sense is an impossible standard to meet, so when we don't see common sense moves we make excuses. It's so weird watching the church try to be holy when it can't even reach the threshold of common sense in it's affairs. It's like there is this gravitational field which just keeps pulling it away.
Great reminder! The Church is the Body of Christ. And it consists of those alive today and those who are passed on - some in Heaven and some in Purgatory. It is much more than a pope - it is all of us. And with its warts and all human frailties, its primary purpose is our salvation. Without this Church, we have no baptism which is the means of death to the sinful "old man" and rise into the new man/ a child of God and brother/sister of His Son- our Savior. We are very blessed to be called by name to be part of this Body. Peace. CCC 777 The word "Church" means "convocation." It designates the assembly of those whom God's Word "convokes," i.e., gathers together to form the People of God, and who themselves, nourished with the Body of Christ, become the Body of Christ. 778 The Church is both the means and the goal of God's plan: prefigured in creation, prepared for in the Old Covenant, founded by the words and actions of Jesus Christ, fulfilled by his redeeming cross and his Resurrection, the Church has been manifested as the mystery of salvation by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. She will be perfected in the glory of heaven as the assembly of all the redeemed of the earth (cf Rev 14:4). 779 The Church is both visible and spiritual, a hierarchical society and the Mystical Body of Christ. She is one, yet formed of two components, human and divine. That is her mystery, which only faith can accept. 780 The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men.
I wondered whether this pontificate might witness a “new proletarian revolution” when the advancement of AI and technology in general compromises human capital to such an extent in labor relations that civil unrest erupts in various parts of the world—especially in Europe and North America. Imagine a scenario where entire families are forced to accept precarious, low-paying jobs just to survive in the face of relentless technological progress that replaces both human hands and intellect. Some prophecies speak of civil wars breaking out in several European countries—could the reason be precisely a new industrial and technological revolution? When I joined the forum in 2017, AI had not yet reached its current level of advancement. Now, in this present decade, we are living through a technological revolution that many of us probably did not expect at the end of the last one. I wonder what things will be like at the beginning of the next decade, which will coincide with the 2,000th anniversary of the death and Resurrection of Christ—a time that naturally carries some prophetic expectation and during which we will likely still have Leo XIV with us.
True, and at the same time I have no problem speaking about the obvious problems with the current church authority. The threshold for common sense is very low, so when people aren't following it they are following something else.
