Homosexual Couples Adopted Baby Baptised in Catholic Church

The prophecies of Marie Julie Jahenny seem like they may fit here:

http://www.communityofhopeinc.org/Prayer Pages/Saints/marie julie.html

She mentions a pope who, at the last moment, will reverse his policies and make a solemn appeal to the Clergy. But he will not be obeyed; on the contrary, an Assembly of bishops will demand even greater freedom, declaring that they will no longer obey the Pope.

Marie-Julie then goes on to say that the Red Revolution will then break out. She speaks of a "horrible religion" which is to replace the Catholic Faith, and she sees "many, many bishops" embracing this "sacrilegious, infamous religion."​

It seems to me like we are living this right now. Notice how she mentions policies instead of doctrines/teachings. I truly believe this pope has good intentions. Also note the the extraordinary synod on the pastoral care for the family is taking place this fall, where many, including prominent cardinals, are hoping for a change in policy. Plus the situation is disintegrating in the Ukraine with Russia ready to march (in conjunction with Blessed Elena Aiello prophecies of Russia). May God help us and intervene soon.

 

If you had read MDM thread you would know this forum has been active in opposing her so your comment is disingenuous.

There are certain rules and canonical norms that must be followed with regard to baptism and this discussion concerns whether these rubrics have been broken.

In addition I have brought up the point that the Archbishop administered the sacrament of confirmation to these two ladies.

So there is more to this issue than just the baptism but perhaps you agree with the Archbishop's decision to administer the sacrament of confirmation?

 

It is not clear,( indeed Vatican.info service? states otherwise) that the two women were confirmed. (using tablet cannot cut and paste easily)

 

Good, I hope it was an internet rumour since one has to be a practising Catholic and in a state of grace to receive the sacrament of confirmation.

With regard to the baptism I still have grave doubts as to whether canonical norms were followed.

There must be a founded hope that the infant will be brought up in the Catholic religion. If this hope is altogether lacking, the baptism is to be delayed (c. 868)

 

Lets keep in mind that although baptism is a doctrine of salvation for all, the conditions of how and when they are baptised is not doctrine (rather Church discipline) and can be changed. I will reach outside the box here and make an assumption that Pope Francis knows prophecy well enough to know that many - many will loose their life on earth soon during the tribulation. Verne's messages from God repeat in several places that 'many spiritual babies will be taken home at this time" in order that they will not loose their soul if they were to remain on earth. If this is the case, I say baptise them all regardless of parents concent to raise them Catholic.

 

Well I suppose it is watch this space, Time will tell.

But this reminds me of the most interesting story from England that happened , I heard in the last year. There were a husband and wife, both top flight scientists, both complete and total atheists...I mean the kind of total atheists who would no more believe in God than in the Tooth Fairy, I mean far, far out there in the distance, the idea of God laughable.

Anyway they had a young daughter and in order to get her a good education sent the child to a private Catholic School.

Well the nuns noticed something special about the little girl, Almost from the word go, the kid showed a special , a very special interest in religion and the spiritual. As the time of the other children's first Holy Communion last year the child started to tell everyone she was hungry for the Eucharist and began to get very upset she wasn't to receive.

The nuns approached the girls parents who were at first incredulous then bemused and gave their permission for the child to be baptised. She received first communion last year at seven years old. Her both parents are still total unbelievers the child by a all reports an ardent Catholic determined to convert her folks. In fact the impression this little girl gives to all and sundry is that she is a saint.

God's grace can delight and still amaze.

 

Given that Pope Francis received a bit of a knocking in this thread , due in part to the action of a bishop in his previous diocese, i have chosen to post this more positive action of one of Pope Francis' bishops here. As counter-balance.



BERKELEY, CA, April 7, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Oakland Bishop Michael Barber, Pope Francis’ first U.S. episcopal appointment, has drawn ire from Catholic progressives after replacing the priests serving the University of California at Berkeley campus, one of whom is “openly homosexual.”

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Barber explained in a letter to the parish that he had intervened in the regular process because he wants to “totally reinvigorate our evangelization efforts for the University Community at Cal Berkeley,” and “reinvigorate and expand our mission ‘to the periphery.’”

Fr. Campbell described the bishop’s decision as a “sad moment” in a statement to parishioners.

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The National Catholic Reporter, a newspaper devoted to opposing Church teaching that has been condemned by its local bishop in Kansas City, says the bishop’s action has “caused great puzzlement” among members of the parish.

The bishop “does not know the community. He has spent no time with us," Jean Molesky-Poz, a religious studies teacher at Santa Clara University, told the paper.

The National Catholic Reporter says the parish is “known for its vibrant embrace of the Second Vatican Council's reforms.”

The Paulist Order has been serving the parish for just over a century. Bishop Barber had originally requested the Paulists as a whole withdraw from the parish but later altered his instruction. The priests who will be replacing Campbell and Edens are also Paulists and Barber later stated he was impressed by them.



Pasted from <http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/po...ests-from-liberal-parish-to-reinvigorate-eva/>



A comment on the article i also post as informative.


If a bishop's removal of an openly and unapologetic homosexual priest, who promotes and is proud of his gay lifestyle, makes headlines it says a lot about how far the Church has strayed from its mission. If it is so unusual that the media grab on to it, what does that say about the bishops' loyalty to God and their willingness (no, unwillingness) to defend the teachings of Christ? If a bishop faces ridicule and vilification - from within his Church - for doing what is plainly his unavoidable duty, doesn't that indicate the degree to which Satan has infiltrated our Catholic institutions?

What should make headlines is that a priest like that was allowed to serve in the Church promoting something which is so intrinsically opposed to God's law, and so forbidden by Church teaching and by Church discipline. It should be unthinkable.

 

I always pray before I post. I know God will hold me to account for every word so there is a grave responsibility on each of us to write in a spirit of truth and love.

That baptismal ceremony was a scandal. The women have shown nothing but contempt for the Catholic religion before and after the ceremony. It is a scandalous outrage. I am sorry, I just feel that there is something deeply disturbing about the whole thing.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/le...tism-shows-the-acceptance-weve-won-in-legaliz

Sorry, I was going to let this thread die down but Jerry bumped it up with his very good post. I feel so very strongly about this that I would walk through walls for the faith I love.

 

I had too had to post on this, I did so with deep reluctance nd having stored these things in my heart....but I did have to post.

I was very aware it was the Holy Father I was writing about.
Time will tell...

 

On the other hand if time proves me wrong, I will humbly apologise and close the forum down as penance and because clearly because I am doing much more harm than good.

Things like this are not to be done lightly.

Not lightly at all.

 

Let me take this opportunity to apologise about my earlier comment about the MDM messages in connection with this matter. I also believe the Argentinian baptism was scandalous in its presentation. Whilst I cannot know how Pope Francis will have viewed it, I suspect he will have been dismayed at what happened. The connection with the Argentinian President probably made it difficult to block the publicity but I think the church authorities should have been much more active in dealing with that side of things. Maybe that is easier said than done.

He has not said so, nor to my knowledge has he acted. He would have known. Of course he would.

I'm not sure who has added the above comment to my post but I'm sure he has been told about the matter but I think will decide there is little that can be done now to correct the matter. I'm sure he will remain of the view that baptism should not be denied to babies.

 

i completely agree.

 

I find this whole thing deeply disturbing. I dont understand where the Pope is going with this and I wish he would say something about it as it is being interpreted around the world as the acceptance of 'gay marriage'. Its kind of scary! ! I am watching and waiting. Things have to be very close. God help us all.

Mary

 

Should have just followed Canon Law as posted earlier and not baptized an infant who's parents are not going to raise the child in the faith. This is the only real condition the Church places on infant baptism. It is no secret our Holy Father is liberal and one of the things liberals do is give the benefit of the doubt to the person. They often make decisions based on feeling in lieu of intellect (who are we to judge) is one of their great lines. A conservative is more likely to judge an action as being right or wrong and in this case I think the liberal got stung. Does anyone thing JPII or Benedict would have supported this action are at least remained silent on it?

 

The lesbian couple is now going on a publicity tour with this baby, going on TV interviews. As Padraig says often...God will not be mocked.

 

Wow. It sounds like their motive for the baptism was not for the soul of the baby, but instead to use a sacrament of the Church for political activism.

 

The whole thing reminded me of a Black Mass.

 

Quis, you are correct in saying 'I cannot judge' in the sense that I cant judge the reasons the Bishop responsible gave the OK. I hope and pray that this innocent little child gets a special grace that will be a witness to the love and generosity of the Church of Christ. We live in very difficult and confusing times. Today my son showed me a circular issued by the school his 5 year old is attending. This circular gave details of programs to combat transgender and homophobic bullying. To do this they will have a curriculum wide program that will give the children an appreciation of how these types of situations are perfectly normal! Its unbelievable whats going on. These programs are being rolled out by the government and the groups that are involved in developing the program are from various gay and lesbian organizations. What can one say?

Mary

 

Years ago, my boss who is a fallen away Catholic, moved in with a married woman and they had two children together. When I became a 3rd Order Carm, he said he was happy for me and asked if I knew any priests who would baptize his children on the sly, since he knew both he and his girlfriend were living in adultery and the Church wouldn't let them. Another lady I worked with piped up and said her Lutheran Church would baptize them no problem. He refused and said it had to be Catholic or he didn't believe it was a real baptism. I asked him (in a loving way) why he believed so strongly in what the Church taught, and yet continued living in sin. I reminded him that his own soul was in danger, and that even if his children got baptized, that without a proper example and instruction in the faith they too would end up in much danger of not ending up in heaven. He said he couldn't live without his woman, but was worried about his children. He even asked if I would instruct his children in the faith for them. I did offer to instruct them, but found out the children were 11 and 12 at the time. My priest told me that the children could themselves ask for baptism, and they could be baptized Catholic if they wanted. I don't know what ever happened, but I think it is an example of fallen away Catholic's thinking on the matter. They know it is the truth, they just don't want to stop sinning themselves or change their own lives. But like I told them, and is true, there are other "churches" that will baptize, and what I didn't tell him was that there are other religions that will tell him sin is no problem, and whatever else he wants to hear. But he already knew in his heart that he was sinning, as most instructed Catholics do.