"Francis has been totally orthodox..can only be faulted by faulty reading"

I try to pray the rosary every day. The first Our Father I pray is offered for Pope Francis. It is his silence and ambiguity on certain issues that are responsible for the criticism. When he first stepped onto the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica, I was full of optimism for him. I still hold out optimism for him but I can't ignore his silence and ambiguity on certain issues. Sometimes it is better to remain silent. I wish Pope Francis would remain silent on issues like Global Warming and instead become more vocal and clear on the issues that really matter. I wish he would stop trying to solve political issues by worldly means, and instead focus on the strategy put forth by Our Blessed Mother in approved apparitions.

 

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If we endanger persons on this planet by our sheer disrespect for God's Creation then we need to repent.

"perhaps the biggest foreboding danger of all facing humans is the loss of the global honeybee population. The consequence of a dying bee population impacts man at the highest levels on our food chain, posing an enormously grave threat to human survival. Since no other single animal species plays a more significant role in producing the fruits and vegetables that we humans commonly take for granted yet require near daily to stay alive, the greatest modern scientist Albert Einstein once prophetically remarked, “Mankind will not survive the honeybees’ disappearance for more than five years.”

 

Global Warming is not a matter of Faith and Morals. The scientific consesnus is still out on just what is driving climate change. Sacred Scripture and approved private revelation tell us that during the endtimes there will be an increase in natural disasters but it will have a supernatural cause not a manmade cause. If Pope Francis is going to delve into politics, I'd rather hear him says that no practicing Catholic could ever vote for Hillary Clinton or the Democrat platform. Instead, Pope Francis talks about the need to recycle. And you wonder why there is so much criticsm of him by Catholics?

 

Pope Francis = St. Francis = love of Gods nature

You guys are too much. When Our Holy Father speaks, he is not talking about any individual country or state. Some of you take spiritual advice like he is speaking to you personally. Lets look at the problems. In the middle of the ocean, where the two oceans meet...there is a floating trash dump as big as the state of texas (size of a small country). In china, they collect all the electronic waste and have covered a area bigger then a city. In south america they slowly and gradually destroying the rain forest. In Brazil and many parts of the world, there is no running water and sewage drains straight to fresh or ocean water. The nuclear power plants, overflowing into the oceans in Japan...is not only killing everything. Fish are taking radiation across the world. I can go on and on. So is God upset...yes HE is. I haven't even touched the point of Obama allowing human and animal dna to be spliced together.

So, what should the Holy Father say...maybe he can start with the practical. Baby steps. How about recycle? How about protect nature?

This is just one by product, of evil deeds, that has to be addressed. And yes some of the things we do to nature is a sin.

May Gods Will be Done

 

The frustration lies in the fact that the Pope seems to concentrate on what is secondary in importance - environment ( heck - even using St. Peter's as a movie screen for environmentalist groups... where is the light show for the unborn?) - instead of what is primary.

Where is the call to disavow artificial contraception - which is intrinsically evil? https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b...pe-was-speaking-about-contraceptives-for-zika

How about actually calling homosexual tendencies intrinsically disordered?

How about not criticizing those that pray rosaries for others? https://veritas-vincit-internationa...l-bouquet-of-rosaries-an-antiquated-practice/

Where is the clarity when talking to Protestants that only Catholics may receive the Blessed Sacrament? https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/l...ion-at-vatican-after-meeting-with-pope-report

I could go on...
and on...
and on.

Please, you know what we are talking about.

Let us stop pretending.

Let's call a spade a spade.

I love our Holy Father, I really do. In fact I have great hope for him - I believe that Marie Julie Jahenny's prophecy may deal with this pontificate. But out of love for him and for my brother/sisters, at times, I am compelled to speak.

 

He talks of many other issues, Richard

"Global Warming is not a matter of Faith and Morals"

It is when lives are at Stake through our disregard or carelessness.

John Paul II "The ecological crisis reveals the urgent MORAL need for a new solidarity, especially in relations between the developing nations and those that are highly industrialized. (…) When the ecological crisis is set within the broader context of the search for peace within society, we can understand better the importance of giving attention to what the earth and its atmosphere are telling us: namely, that there is an order in the universe which must be respected, and that the human person, endowed with the capability of choosing freely, has a grave responsibility to preserve this order for the well-being of future generations."

 

Janet,

The argument over damage done to God's creation is like the left's argument over social justice. They act like they are the only ones who care. Simply not true. There is no argument about it. However, global warmimg? Give me a break.



The New Sacrament of Reconciliation:



Confessor: Bless me father for I have sinned. I am over my limit of carbon footprints again set forth by George Soros and the global bankers and I have sinned against God.

Pope: How sinful. It is a mortal sin and you must repent.

Confessor: I have also been involved in a homosexual relationship and had an abortion.

Pope: The church in her new wisdom has chosen to downplay these lifestyle choices and concentrate on mercy. Now go and pray for forgiveness and repent of your sins against the global bankers and global warming.

 

This quote is a red herring. What does the ecological crisis have to do with the unproven theory of global warming. Please stop tying these two together. It is a lie.

 

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Please, stop. You are not adequately addressing any of the points.

Perhaps instead of spamming quotes from... well all over - without sourcing them, you can address just this one:

Did the pope not condone condoms in the case of Zika?

Yes or no?

 

One last thing Janet,

How do you defend having Godfrey Daneels as one of your top advisors?

 

" global warmimg? Give me a break."

I don't care whether its getting warmer or not. What I do see is suffering in God's world from our neglect. You Picadillo.. can take it or leave it.

"Confessor: I have also been involved in a homosexual relationship and had an abortion."
The church in her new wisdom has chosen to downplay these lifestyle choices and concentrate on mercy."

There has always been mercy for sinners. Why are you ignorant of this? I can keep on posting from other popes on these same issues. They spoke the same as Francis.

 

"What does the ecological crisis have to do with the unproven theory of global warming. Please stop tying these two together. It is a lie."

So you admit that there is a ecological crisis? That's good. So what do we do about it?

 

I would like to have replied to Frodo and Fallen Saint simultaneously, but I'm not sure how to do that. If you are able to please help me figure that out

I believe both of them have touched on the core of what drives a wedge between both "camps" if you will - those who defend everything Francis says and those who criticize everything he says (bit of an exaggeration, but you all understand the point I'm trying to make).

Fallen Saint makes a very valid point, and regardless of whether global warming is man made or natural really doesn't matter. The planet has been trashed, and Pope Francis is not speaking just to USA, Brazil, Ireland, England, France, Italy, China, Russia, etc. He speaks universally across all cultures. Some things he says will apply to you, some will not. Certain people are mainly responsible for the destruction on a widespread level (CEOs, wealthy who want to expand their company with little to no regard to pollution and waste) and then we individually are responsible on a lower level by consuming (the USA is very consumer driven and wasteful, it's a fact pure and simple whether you like hearing it or not). US citizens are blissfully ignorant of the trash and nuclear waste everywhere because the above CEOs who want to make that extra buck outsource to other countries (using child labor and human trafficking) so that they can deal with the fallout in their backyards instead of our nice manicured lawns. I think if we had to personally be responsible for the trash we have produced (dump it all at our front door) we would be silent and dumbstruck. It is a travesty, and it is due to selfishness, waste, and arrogance at being able to do what we want in countries wealthy enough to hide the fallout in poorer countries who can't do anything about it.

NOW, that being said, Frodo brings up the "opposing camp" valid point as well - that there are other issues not being given the focus that many of us feel should be primary in this very sinful world that we live in : abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, speaking clearly and exactly on the Church's teachings on marriage and divorce and receiving communion, the sin of active homosexuality, the whole using a condom to avoid Zika virus, etc. This is what I feel drives a wedge - I think we all recognize that there is absolute truth to the issues Pope Francis has a tendency to like to address but on the other hand aren't there more important things to be talking about as we enter this storm?? Maybe clear up the assumptions the media has spewed from its liberal mouth??

I'm not offering an answer here, because I don't have one. But I do think we are all on the same side - we all love our Faith. The way Pope Francis chooses to spend his pontificate is his call. I choose to believe that perhaps he "knows" something. Maybe he does know the date of the Warning, the Miracle, an asteroid plummeting to the earth, or a Martian takeover (ok that last one is my husband's idea ) and maybe he has reasons to focus on the issues that he likes to engage in during this time that he has. I really don't know. Do I like everything he says? Um, no, not really. I think his off the cuff remarks are very poorly worded and I think he was mistaken in the bit about the Zika virus, but I'm prepared to accept that perhaps there's a language barrier, culture expression difference, or I'm not aware of the in context happenings of when he was quoted (assuming he was quoted correctly). I do believe that Satan is absolutely using the media to divide Catholics with reports of Pope Francis. It's working amazingly, as evidenced here even. For the record I'm not a "pro camp" or "anti camp" - I just believe in my heart that prophesies are coming to fulfillment, a chastisement is coming, and whether Francis is "good" or "bad" doesn't matter.
As CrewDog would say, prepare for SHTF and God save all here

 

Saint Divine Mercy,

Wisdom with a bit a humor...Martians comment made me chuckle.

You have the spiritual balance.

One small point... the media is in charge of the narrative. When Our Holy Father does speak about abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality and all other important matters. The media ignores it. But if they can twist a 5 second comment to fit their agenda... then the nonsense begins.

Again read Our Holy Fathers homilies, they are spiritual gems.

Your posting opens up a bigger picture

May Gods Will be Done

 

Thank you Fallen Saint. I actually do enjoy many things that Pope Francis has written. I have to admit it's usually bad media reports about "Pope Francis said blah blah blah" that drive me to the actual source (I read Laudato Si when it came out for 3 days straight just because of all the negative hype surrounding it. I actually enjoyed it and believe it profound). It is true that when he does say things addressing abortion, sin etc that the media ignores it. This is a problem and I believe contributes to all the in-house fighting. I recognize other things that are reported though that I pray are misreported or misspoke, praying that his intention was not to give the impression that many take from certain comments. However, I'm prepared to accept with all confidence in Divine Providence and in accordance with prophesy that these things will happen. Whether it is a purposeful intention of Pope Francis or a blind, unaware of the consequences of how things are worded gaffe, in the end it will not matter. All we can do is remain faithful to the Teachings of the Church and be an instrument of instruction to others.

 

So

1. L et me get this straight Janet, do you believe in the theory of global warming?

2. Are you Joe Crozier's sister?

 

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1173

The Pope's shocking statement on the environment
By Phil Lawler (bio - articles - email) | Sep 02, 2016

Pope Francis has often surprised, confused, and dismayed me. But nothing that he has said or done thus far in his pontificate has shocked me as much as his Message on World Day of Prayer for Creation.

What troubles me about that message is not the Pope’s call for care of the environment. Any Christian—any deist, for that matter—should recognize the moral obligation to be a good steward of Creation. If hot-button political debates have predisposed some of us to be leery of environmentalist rhetoric, all the more reason for a Roman Pontiff to seek a different perspective, more consistent with the faith.

Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI made their own strong appeals for ecological sensitivity. Although at times their statements made me uncomfortable, I could not disagree with their overall thrust. (And it is not the responsibility of Vicar of Christ to keep me comfortable; quite the contrary.) Pope Francis developed these same arguments in greater depth, and with greater vigor, in Laudato Si’. While I had some reservations about some sections of that encyclical, I could and did accept the basic message.

So again—I stress the point because I don’t want to be caught up in the wrong argument—I am not disputing the Pope’s argument that Christians should exercise greater care for the environment. What troubles me is another, more specific aspect of this message: the assertion that care for the environment should be understood as one of the corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

Many of the public statements that Pope Francis has issued have raised eyebrows. More than a few have struck me as imprudent, even fundamentally misguided. But in every previous case, the Pope’s statements could be interpreted so as to conform to previous Church teaching. If his statements had caused confusion—and many of them had—a future clarification could resolve the problem.

But now Pope Francis has added to the traditional lists of corporal and spiritual works of mercy. Unless we simply ignore his statement, young Catholics of future generations will be taught that there are eight works in each category. Alongside feeding the hungry and clothing the naked, there will be listed caring for the environment. Alongside instructing the ignorant and admonishing sinners, there again will be…what, exactly? care for the environment? That change cannot easily be undone.

Let me pause here to confess that I was shocked—I might even say scandalized—when St. John Paul II altered the Rosary by adding the Luminous Mysteries. Could he do that, I wondered? Could a Pope, on his on initiative, without consultation, change a great Catholic tradition? And wouldn’t the addition of the five new mysteries upset the ancient pattern in which the 150 Hail Mary’s reflected the 150 Psalms of the Divine Office? Out of a sense of docility, and not without reluctance, I tried praying the new Luminous Mysteries, and found that they added to my appreciation of the Rosary, and of how our Lord gradually pulled back the veil that hid his divine Nature. Looking back now, I see the addition as entirely organic, enriching the contemplation of the life of Christ.

But In adding to the list of works of mercy, Pope Francis is not making an organic change. He is putting things—virtuous actions, I will concede—in a category where they do not belong. When the Pope recommends turning off unnecessary lights, for example, he is making an unarguably positive suggestion; it is a good thing to do. But it is not a work of mercy, as we have always understood that term.

The works of mercy—as they were understood until yesterday—all have a human person as both subject and object. The object was a person in some kind of need. The subject was you or me: a person challenged to imitate Christ by filling that need. In the new works that Pope Francis puts forward, the object is the natural environment, not a human soul. And I fear that many people, reading this message, will conclude that the government should make laws to protect the environment—so that the government is the subject, rather than you and me.

Yes, each of us can do his own part to care for the environment—and let me say it yet again, I fully endorse that proposition. But when it is reduced to a matter of turning off lights and joining car pools and separating paper from plastics, that recommendation, however benign, seems somehow beneath the dignity of the papal office. There is a real danger that by plunging into this sort of mundane specificity, the Pope will dilute the authority of his own teaching office—a danger that his condemnations of blasphemy and abortion will be taken as the same sort of “nice” suggestions as his call for car pools.

Please notice—one last time—that in this brief essay I have not questioned the science behind some of the Pope’s arguments—although I do see legitimate questions to be asked at another time. My concern here is exclusively with the Pope’s willingness to raise environmental concerns to the level of the works of mercy.

Proper stewardship of the environment is a legitimate concern for Christians: a moral imperative. But it is not one of the two great commandments to love God and love our neighbors. The papal preacher, Father Raneiro Cantalamessa put things in the proper perspective, I think, in his own meditation for the World Day of Prayer for Creation : “An ecology without a doxology makes the universe opaque.”