Cardinal Müller speaks on Medjugorje...

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by davidtlig, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

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    FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 2016

    Slobodna Dalmacija the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Müller was questioned about Medjugorje:

    “Medjugorje has become a global pilgrimage destination, but, at the same time, since its inception, has become a place of controversy in our local Church. What is the position of the Holy See, and you as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith? Are the apparitions of supernatural character, and what is the fate of Medjugorje in the future?”

    The Cardinal responded: “When it comes to Medjugorje, we have to wait for an explanation and the decision of the highest authority of the universal Church. On the question of the supernatural character of the Medjugorje events, mature Catholic devotion and filial love for the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, does not depend on phenomena such as apparitions or messages. The real foundations of the Catholic faith with regard to Mary will always be her virginity and divine motherhood, her Immaculate Conception and Assumption as it emerges from reading the documents: Vatican II Lumen Gentium, chapter VIII, and the 1974 Apostolic Exhortation, Marialis Cultus, of Paul VI.”

    http://crownofstars.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/cardinal-muller-speaks-on-medjugorje.html
     
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  2. 4unborn

    4unborn Angels

    No! We do not have to wait to discern that the many fruits of Medjugorje are from "apparitions of supernatural character."
     
  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I get the very strong impression that Cardinal Muller is not a believer in Medugorje.. Surprise, surprise...and that he does not believe in any apparitons at all anywhere , at any time. Fatima, Lourdes, you name it.
     
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  4. The Cardinal responded: “When it comes to Medjugorje, we have to wait for an explanation and the decision of the highest authority of the universal Church. On the question of the supernatural character of the Medjugorje events, mature Catholic devotion and filial love for the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, does not depend on phenomena such as apparitions or messages. The real foundations of the Catholic faith with regard to Mary will always be her virginity and divine motherhood, her Immaculate Conception and Assumption as it emerges from reading the documents: Vatican II Lumen Gentium, chapter VIII, and the 1974 Apostolic Exhortation, Marialis Cultus, of Paul VI.”

    I see Cardinal's response to be very wise: the devotion to Virgin Mary does not depend on apparitions and messages. She has truly appeared in history of the Church and that is a big grace for all of us. She has had messages. Yes. I we thank her and God for all these. But the foundations are "her virginity and divine motherhood, her Immaculate Conception and Assumption", as the Cardinal said. The 4 Marian dogmas!
     
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  5. padraig

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    What his Emminecne said was simply a theological truism. A theological obvious. Of course this is so. But it is the fact he said the very,very obvious in these circumstances that is indicative.

    It is as if someone said to me, 'It is a nice day', and I answered, 'Well the sun is shining'... do you catch my drift? If I said , ' Well the sun is shining', you would wonder what I really meant by saying such a very obvious thing. The implication would be'...at least the sun is shining'.

    I think to paraphrase shakespeare , he damns with faint comment.
     
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  6. The Cardinal can't say anything else at this point no matter whether he believes or not believes the authenticy of the apparitions in Mejd.
    Or do you think that by saying something which is obvious would mean he is against the apparitions? I think he is.
     
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  7. It seems pretty obvious that the matter of Medjugorje has been removed from Muller's hands. Doubt if he'll be in that position past his term.
     
  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes, I think he is against Medugorje and against all mystical phenomena whatsoever. I doubt very much for instance as an out and out Liberal if he would believe for instance in Lourdes or Fatima and I would wonder if he might believe in the Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ. At least as an historical fact.
     
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  9. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Unkind, Padraig. There's nothing to suggest that the Cardinal doesn't believe in all of the above. On the contrary, his staunch defence of the Faith has already made him a target for a "merciful" transfer to some obscure outpost.
     
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  10. BrianK

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    Actually, on some issues, Cardinal Muller has really grown into one of the few staunch defenders of the Faith:

    Cardinal Müller Describes Main Adviser of Pope Francis as "Heretical"
    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2016/06/cardinal-muller-describes-main-adviser.html

    Archbishop Bans Cardinal Müller From University Because New Book is, "Against the Pope"
    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2016/04/archbishop-bans-cardinal-muller-from.html

    Cardinal Muller Reiterates There Are Two Popes...
    http://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2016/11/cardinal-muller-reiterates-their-are.html

    Cardinal Müller: Pope’s exhortation does not allow Communion for divorced/remarried

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...tion-does-not-allow-communion-for-divorced-re

    Gerhard L. Cardinal Müller [on the Refomation/Luther]

    http://vultuschristi.org/index.php/2016/06/gerhard-l-cardinal-muller/
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I am getting my Germans mixed up, I was thinking of Marx. :) I am loosing who is wearing the white hats and who the black.

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  12. BrianK

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    Oh thank you! You had me a bit worried there...
     
  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Check out Our Lady of All Nations on a devastating trade war between Europe and the USA. This was made back in the 1940's. She has never gone wrong yet.
     
  14. I believe C. Muller found a way to include Liberation Theology within the Church after meeting its head in SA. Just didn't want to equate it with Marxism....which was very confusing since it is linked to Marxism itself....and when you open a window in comes the fumes with the air.
     
  15. garabandal

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    There is only one real liberation theology.

    Christ liberates sinners from sin.

    And from this comes Love of God and Love of Neighbour.
     
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  16. Dolours

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    According to the Vatican Website, Pope Benedict co-wrote a book favourable to Liberation Theology in his younger days. He grew out of it. Most likely, Cardinal Muller also saw its errors. There's no doubt that Cardinal Muller remained very close to Pope Benedict and has been a thorn in the side of the likes of Cardinal Marx and his fellow German modernists. Sadly, it's hard to know what Pope Francis believes.
     

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