I'm sorry but I don't buy this "Pope Francis needs to answer our questions" narrative. The only news in the article was that which I posted. Everything else is just people 'suggesting' why the change is not a good idea. There is this constant drip, drip, drip of accusation. The devil really has succeeded in infiltrating the minds of people. In the Bible, Satan is primarily an accuser.
I am not a priest and I am not trying to pretend I am one. I am just trying to help Martina sort through a very difficult situation with her friend. St. John Paul II stated in his Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris Consortio that divorced and remarried couples who did not have an annulment could stay together if they lived as brother and sister (no sex) for the sake of the children if there were mutual children in the relationship. You are right that engaged couples cannot live together. This is an unusual situation where they have children together and are already civilly married.
Aha, this is so very difficult situation. And are there children from the first marriage? Civilly married means nothing before God. If her first husband married with her without the intention to have children, first marriage was invalid, and she lives not in adultery but in fornication. But since now she is certainly obligatory to live continent. But i think that if they loved together with the first husband, the first marriage is valid :/
No, David, the separated brethren are followers of the "internal forum" approach to every sin under the sun. That appears to be the Pope Francis approach to any sin of a sexual nature. On other issues, however, he isn't so fond of letting conscience be our guide. He's quite the rigorist on global warming, illegal immigration, a preference for the Latin Mass, etc.
Yes LV, there are children in the new "marriage". I understand that in the eyes of God it is not a marriage. The couple is currently living in continence and she is looking into an annulment. The first marriage is still true and valid unless she receives an annulment. It is a real mess, but it appears she has been given the grace to try to begin sorting it out.
You don't know whether the first marriage was valid. A tribunal will sort that. The tribunal could well find that the man wasn't capable of making life long marriage vows or that he concealed something from the woman that would have influenced her decision to marry him. The best advice anyone can give the lady is to talk to a good priest. Apparently, she has already been given and taken that advice. It is very unwise for anyone here to speculate on either the validity of her marriage or the state of her soul.
I got in my prayer such clue 1a. She hasn't children from the first marriage.......2 1b. She has children from the first marriage..........4 2a. Her first husband loves her and forgivess her: SHE MUST TO RETURN TO HIM. 2b. Her first husband doesn't love her and forgive her.....3 3a. She has children with second partner: SHE CAN REMAIN WITH HIM IN ABSOLUTE PURITY, WITHOUT ANY FLESHLY LOVE UNTIL TO AGE OF FULL ADULTHOOD OF NEW CHILDREN. THEN SHE HAS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE 3b. She hasn't children with second partner: SHE HAS TO IMMEDIATLY LEAVE HIM AND REMAIN ALONE. 4a. Her first husband loves her and forgivess her: SHE MUST TO RETURN TO HIM WITH/WITHOUT NEW CHILDREN. 4b. Her first husband doesn't love her and forgive her....5 5a. First children are adult......LIKE 3B 5b. First childs are young: SHE COULD RETURN TO THEM WITH/WITHOUT NEW CHILDREN, BUT IF IT IS NOT POSSIBLE, SEE 3B
This fills me with great indignation and a desperate hope that it is untrue. If true, it is a sad example of callousness. At least the predator priest is in the custody of civil authorities. Let justice and restoration go hand-in-hand! Lord have mercy on my insensitive heart when I've looked the other way. Safe in the Grace of Divine Mercy!
You do realise the husband is a violent man a very violent man. So should he be looking for forgiveness (of which she has forgiven him) . I feel at this stage you have her condemned. It's all her fault. Yes she made bad choices she went the wrong way about it. She had not God in her life then, she now realises that and is doing her best, it's all very fine when you are without sin can sit and judge these that are lesser than human to you, but I know this person well and she is far far from an evil person, she has had a life you cannot imagine. She KNOWS she is in a wrong state and she IS doing what she can. I am sorry if I come across harsh in my response but please stop it is bashing at this stage. If God wants rid of her he will see to it, not you, if God wants her he will see to that also, not you. She has faith in God and I believe he has faith in her.
I don't know enough about this situation obviously but the Church would never force anyone to live with an abuser. Even if that person was the legitimate sacramental spouse and an annulment was not possible. The Church herself has rules for how to go about a separation and civil divorce in such cases.
Anyway thank you to everyone who contributed to this today it hits deep with us all I think. But we will leave it there and pray for the best. I will keep you updated on any news relating to this as I feel you will all be curious to know the outcome. There before the grace of God.
Given the well documented record of this past year, there's no hope it's untrue. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/2016-the-year-pope-francis-finally-showed-his-hand
In the case of Martine's friend, I think it is time to cease discussion - we don't know the people concerned, and enough advice has been given. It is not for us to pronounce any further. LV I am sure you mean well but it's not your place to act as the parish priest.
It seems to be a common tactic now to accuse those who ask questions of being infiltrated by the devil. If any man, even a pope, has questions to answer in relation to children being abused, answer them he should. Silence was the very thing that perpetuated this scandal. You still didn't answer why something that is working should be fixed.
Question: The Pope chose Cardinal Kasper to attend the Synod. Do you think this means the Pope agrees with Kasper? Response: [Notable Pause] … Yes Question: What do you think of Kasper? Response: “He’s the most intelligent man in the room.” Question: And Cardinal Burke? … Response: [Quickly he said] He’s not coming. He doesn’t count for anything; he’s too Lefebvrist. [“Non conta per niente; è troppo Lefebvrista”] https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/v...pes-inner-circle-shares-explosive-information
