The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. sterph

    sterph Archangels

    I just said that exact thing to my husband. Well I said unraveling the threads from the beautiful tapestry of our faith. I'm just so upset. Such a great sorrow is this.
     
  2. I think that that's a good idea. I did a Google search on her handle, "Victory123", and I saw where she's been posting similar things in other places; on one website, she says that she belongs to an Orthodox denomination.
     
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  3. Booklady

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    Here, at the Mother of God Forum, we pray for people, even trolls. I believe that instead of acting as armchair psychologists, we practice charity towards this person, and anyone else who comes here to troll and flame our boards. The Rosary is the answer to all of our problems.
     
  4. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    This is not just 'bit by bit'. If Höver's thinking is accepted, morality simply goes out the window. The kind of nuancing this arrogant fool is attempting belongs to the Judgement of God. It is the Divine prerogative to decide the fate of every soul, including even Höver's, at the culminative moment of Judgement, the final weighing of the balance, and completely, indeed infinitely, beyond the reckoning of any mortal man. For the Church to adopt Höver's extreme moral relativism would be to permit every man to be his own God (yes, it ranks as the height of blasphemy, as well), manufacturing his own morality, which, of course, he will do exactly to suit his own 'complexity of...situation'. Everybody setting their own standards inevitably implies no standards. Do as you will. The devil's standard. It even disposes of any necessity for the ubiquitous 'mercy'. Mercy for what?

    I don't think this boat can float. At least, I hope and pray not. This nonsense about 'time and space' from this great intellectual from Buenos Aires, with all his doctorates in theology and philosophy (oh, wait, I notice he has just some minor qualification in chemical engineering or something...) is the biggest bluff I have ever heard of from a pope of any era. What exactly does it mean? Can anyone attempt a definition-are you there, David? When these fools, who have the nerve to dishonestly twist the words of Joseph Ratzinger for their own (intrinsically) evil ends, face their own Judgement, and may God have Mercy (the real stuff) on them, 'time' won't even exist. They'll be in eternity and they'd better hope it won't be in Hell, a state where space and time has no meaning, just eternal and unbearable suffering.

    The Pontifical Academy for Life is no more. It truly is a Pontifical academy for (eternal) Death.

    “time is greater than space”: forgive my vulgarity, but I have to say it. It's bullshit.
     
  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It isn't even a slippery slope argument, it demolishes the slope and leaves a direct drop to you all know where.

    I'm sitting here, unable to sleep with a disagreeable cold and, I tell you, I'm seething. When will it end? Where will it end?

    Pope Francis, with his school-child concept of spacetime, probably imagines the Final Things as laid out in Time and Space. If that's the case, he should remember that the one thing, the 'greatest' thing, to avoid at that 'time' is to end up in the wrong 'space'. [sorry, I added this last paragraph a bit later].
     
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  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I am sorry you have a nasty cold
    You always have such admirable posts
    I have no idea when and where it will end but we are in it for the long haul with Jesus and Blessed Mother
    Have a nice hot cup of tea
    Maybe some honey in it
    God bless
     
  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I've so many drugs in me, anything else could be the final straw that puts me into 'overdose'! Thank you for that.
     
  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :ROFLMAO::LOL:
    :D
     
  9. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I just watched a video about the life of St. Pius X. The video is presented by a Benedictine, Fr. Pius X Harding. During his commentary on the video, Fr. Harding referred to St. Pius X calling Modernism the synthesis of all heresies. Fr. Harding describes Modernism as "the art of the half-truth" which rings a few bells for me. He gives a very brief explanation starting at about the 32:20 mark of the video where he says that one of the tenets of Modernism is that religion is a human construct, developed by man over time to bring man closer to God because the knowledge of God is written on our hearts. It contradicts Divine Revelation whereby God reveals Himself to us with the Church being His mystical body. Their "human construct" can change over time because man can change what man has constructed. Remember what the Superior General of the Jesuits said about Satan being "a construct of the early Christians to explain evil"?

    We need to pray very much for Pope Francis. In case he's a lost cause, we need to add some extra prayers that his successor will be another St. Pius X. I'm reminded of what then-Cardinal Ratzinger said about men choosing the Pope and Holy Spirit making sure we don't make a complete mess of the Church. God is permitting this and God's ways are not our ways. Perhaps He has decided to let the smoke of Satan waft out in the open so the Bishops can't keep pretending that there's no "there" there. I propose that the next Conclave draw lots when choosing a Pope. With so many Bishops following a variety of spirits which can't all be holy, a lottery might be more trustworthy. It surely couldn't result in anything worse than what the last Conclave has inflicted on us.

    Here's the video (go to the 32:20 mark):
     
  10. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    This really makes my blood boil. Damnable heretic!!!
     
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  11. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    This is a very sophisticated and well disguised form of moral relativism.

    Time and space are bound together, no one greater than the other, no one exists outside the other. Outside time and space, heaven or hell...
     
  12. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Go buy oregano oil drops. It's the best for a cold! And the honey should be Manuka. Put 2 to 3 drops of the oil under the tongue and then drink water.
     
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  13. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    So now we're in dialogue with the devil. Why? Are we aiming to strike a deal with Satan?
     
  14. kristian

    kristian New Member

    My only reply is why does he pick "The Lord's Prayer" to comment on. It seems to me he has a problem of 'mispeaking' or not speaking clearly about alot of things.
     
  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Try an old Shaman remedy, it always works.

    Wear plenty of warm light clothes going to bed even jumpers. Stuff your bed with blankets , trun the heat up full, hot water bottles, itt will sweat it out and kill it.

    Guaranteed.

    May the Great Spirit heal you.
     
  16. Booklady

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    Amen to that, and lather Vicks Vapo Rub all over your chest to finish it off fast! And don't forget wool socks.
     
  17. DeGaulle

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    Thanks everyone, for all the tips. I just believe in bulling through these things-off to work now. I may have been a bit feverish when I wrote my rant earlier, but I see nothing to withdraw.

    Just thought afterwards, that God, in His mercy, deliberately kept morality simple and concrete, with only a few basic rules to pass the exam-oh, you could get into it deeper if you want to achieve sainthood. He did this, because He knew we don't have the temperament, the intellect, or anything like the power of soul for anything more complicated. He knows what would happen if we deigned to assume anything like His moral discernment-the results are all around us. Lucifer was perhaps the greatest of the Angels, a being who dwarfs Man in every way and thought he could do just as good a job as God in this morality business and that was his doom. Now, having convinced most men he doesn't exist, he's well on his way to convince us that the evil he foments doesn't exist, either. God help us.
     
  18. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    It works but tastes aweful!
     
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  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes plus a bottle of very hot whiskey. It may not cure you, but you will no longer feel the pain.:);)
     
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  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    PS I haven't had the cold or a flu since taking Vitamin 'D' every day several years ago. The Brtish Medical Association recommends taking it every day, especially in the winter months; too little sunlight.
     
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