Prophesy - GSWYL

Mario I agree with Frodo post below, because at the present time the current translation of Lusia's writings are problematic, to say the least.

Like Frodo, I believe we should wait for the approved/revised translation of Lusia Piccarreta writings .

The prohibition against distributing and promoting of the current faulty translations is very concerning especially because there is a proliferation of internet sites that are still promoting said faulty translations. This is a very dangerous situation.

What concerns me the most is that......... if and when the church approves the correct translation of Lusia's writings [which would be free of errors and heresies]

Will the average Christian who is a current follower of the faulty translations, realise that what they have adhered to are indeed faulty and dangerous translations?

 

I personally agree with what Dolours has posted here. There is plenty of room for charitable discussion and debate regarding unapproved “messages” in the Church today.

However, when and where that discussion turns to implicit or explicit suggestions that any valid criticism of an unapproved “message” indicates a lack of faith, or worse still, a threat to one’s eternal salvation, that sends up red flags at a minimum regarding the poster making such an accusation, but also about the validity of the supposed “messages” themselves.

And yes, unfortunately, I’ve witnessed this kind of uncharitable behavior here on this forum.

 

So, something stands out here. If a book were genuinely revelations from God, would they not be perfect?

 

Dolors, thank you for highlighting the dangers of following unapproved messengers. You raise good and valid points. I responded to your doubt of the statement that Cardinal Puljik made when he said that Medjugorje was Europe's confessional by highlighting the overview of how Our Lady comes as Queen of Peace. You have stated that you will never believe in Medjugorje. You have stated your opinion and no arguments can sway you. Peace be with you.

 

I am not into GSWYL so I have no axe to grind -- so I have come into this thread 'late' -- for those who have strong opinions against it -- just don't read this thread -- ignore it!!

I don't read the Divine Will thread and never will as just does not appeal to me. I am too lazy to try to work out what it is all about.

We are not going to agree on everything on this forum as we have many different personalities and opinions --

 

Oh and by the way I like Verne.

Just not into GSWYL so there you go.

 

God works in strange ways --

I guess if a Lady came to me asking to dig for spring water in my garden & people saw me scratching in the ground drinking muddy water and eating wild cress -- my face a muddy mess

They might come to lock me up.

 

Yet member Fatima takes any opportunity to promote the messages in other threads.
The forum has had many so called messengers in the past and not one yet has been proven true.
Quite the opposite in fact,
So why would anyone be against legitimate questioning or reasoning?

 

It's a discussion forum, mac.

I am not hindering discussion -- you discuss away until the crows come home --

I am just passing on some thoughts that's all.

 

And your thoughts are, if one doesn't like a thread they should not read it or express an opinion?
I bet MDM wished you took that attitude a few years ago.

 

You must have a lot of free time on your hands Mac to read threads you don't like!

 

2. ' Fatima was unique in that people asked for a sign and Our Lady responded with a miracle on the day she promised.'

In fact Fatima is not unique in that Signs were given. In Guadalupe for instance a picture of Our Lady was left on the Tilma , the cloak, of the peasant who converesed with the Virgin and at Lourdes of course we have the spring. These are not only signs but continuing signs. Just as the Holy Shroud of Turin is a testimony initself, a Sign of the Resurrection.Another Sign was at the Rue Du Bac with the Miraculous Medal, which was itslef a Sign, it not being called Miraculous for nothing.

So no, as far as Signs go I would not call Fatima unique.

3. This is the kind of statement that bothers me:

"Meanwhile those who take advantage of the permissions granted even before official approval are the ones who will benefit from the graces and instructions given by the Mother there for living out these grave times."

People will of course misundertand anything. People misunderstand Scripture, the Teachings of the Church , Deovtion to Our Lady and so on and have misapplied them. THis does not make them wrong.

4. The first recognition at Lourdes and Fatima came from the people but I think, and could be wrong, that pre-the internet and modern transport, they came in the thousands rather than millions - not that the actual numbers are all that relevant. There are also other issues which I think are very relevant such as the innocence of the children - their lack of "street smarts" for want of a better description. Character matters. Obedience matters. Even St. Paul checked in with the other Apostles to make sure he wasn't out of line.

Yes, Dolours, but you appear to miss the point here. The point being the Sensum Fidelium, the sense of the people preceeds the approval of the Church. If the Sensum Fidelium was negative the Church would never have approved. It is not a matter of rubber stmap first then the people follow, the people lead and the Church follows. Gives approval, not the other way around.

It is the same with the Cultus of the Saints. The people have a devotion to a particular person and petion Rome , then Rome gives the rubber stamp. Not the other way around.

It was the same with say , Devotion to teh Sacred heart, Deovtion to Divine Mercy and so on. The people gave recgonition first. It was never Rome who imposed these on the people.


5. OK, then so I exaggerated. Sorry. Nevertheless, unapproved "messages" pop up all over the place, often out of the blue and sometimes taking threads off course. Next time I see an example of it, I'll draw it to your attention but I'm too lazy to go looking for them now.

In actual fact there have been supposed visonaries appearing on the forum who have been exposed here as false. Of course they have been exposed elsewhere as well. Mary of Divine MErcy was here and tha thappened to her. So they don;' get a free ride.

'Now, having said my piece on this topic, I have no wish to go back over old ground so will let it go now. I do think, however, that it isn't asking too much for people promoting unapproved messages to accept that unless there is an official declaration by the Church that something is worthy of belief it remains unapproved no matter how many clerics follow it or say nice things about it.'

Of course if something is Church Approved , it is Church Approve, if it is not Church Approved it is not Church Approved it is not Church Approved, I hope no one is saying anything different. Either it is or it isn't. Of course. But the way these thigns work is not that the Church turns these things on like a Light Switch. It is the people themselves who pick up the ball and run with it first. ​

 

You just posted ...'Just not into GSWYL so there you go'.
Yet here you are.
And posting even.
And questioning me how I use my free time,rather than addressing the issues.

 

No bother Mac -- I was only making a few suggestions in order to be of help but seems I have come into a hornet's nest & made things worse lol.

You are right --- how you use your free time is your business.

As for me I am bailing out from this thread before I get a box in the mouth

I am off to pray my daily Rosary and will pray for you and your family & your family's intentions.

 

Thank you for any prayers G. Sincerely.
I don't think it is a hornets nest at all.
The only people getting upset seem to be those who have no answers to fair points.

 

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The sign given in Fatima was unique.................

 

I think one thing about Salvation History , Mac is that the Holy Spirit repateats Himself n the form of Types and as is wirtten, "There is nothing new under the sun'.

Joshua 10:13

So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

Mark 15:33
At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon.

..and in fact the Miracle of the Sun has been repeated at various apparition sites, right around the Globe in Modern Times...as your Traditionalist Brethren in Sensum Fidelium report , for instance.

Cf:

 

I think the most striking case of the Sun Dancing in Modern times was at Divine Mercy Hills in the Phillipines, observed by over tens of thousand people and totally undeniable
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One can find false messages and true messages from the beginning of time. So there is no use in providing false messages, like MDM, in order to question GSWYL, Medjugorje, Garabandal, Luisa Picerratta, Luz de Maria, Zaro, Pedro Regis, Jennifer's - Word from Jesus, or any number of other Catholic messages. Prophecy is not a 'black and white' revelation, yet we know from scripture that this is how our Lord said he would speak to his people, as he has always done.

For my part, I take church approved Catholic prophecy as a bench mark of what God has objectively revealed. I have also read enough alleged prophecies to feel comfortable in my own prayer life and objective study to believe in many messengers, like those aforementioned, which fit into a prophetic consensus of Catholic messengers from the past and current that build upon the church approved prophecies. This is within the mind and will of the Church in doing so. If the Church speaks against any alleged messages or prophecy, like MDM, then one must set it aside. The Church is very slow and most of the time, as in Fatima, the believers are the ones to assist the Church in bringing apparitions and there messages to the approval of the Church. They were the first to believe, while the Church remained silent.

Again, I am fully convinced, the real outrage that the few on this thread bring is built on this premise: they reject all of what is being revealed in the messages I support, and all those aforementioned, that deals with the soon coming Warning, the Antichrist, the fall of Satan and all evil and the era of peace (1000 years figurative number that Rev:20 speaks of), the spiritual reign of Christ in his Eucharistic presence in the kingdom of his Divine Will on earth where his will shall be done as it is in heaven. This is what bothers them, because all though the popes have spoken to this "new springtime" coming, they do not want to believe it.

This is their issue at heart, because they reject all of what these current prophecies aforementioned have foretold. We are not obliged to believe this in order for entrance into heaven, but rather then speak against what God is doing, one would benefit by not working against the spirit of God in what he is revealing through his messengers, his prophets (Amos 3:7).

Bottom line for the book God Speaks Will You Listen www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org is, nothing in it is contrary to scripture, church teaching and it fits well within the Catholic prophetic consensus in our time. This is why this thread was built. This is why it will continue to bring to those who want to discuss these messages and how they fit into the current prophetic consensus as a reaffirmation of what so many other worthy messages are revealing for those with ears to hear.

 

No, you are quite wrong. Let's go down the list:

- Warning: no problem from me, and I'd assume others. St. Faustina as well as Marie Julie Jahenny sem to point towards one. Notice that I lend credence to an "unapproved" visionary, so let's put that line to rest.

- Antichrist: really?

-Fall of Satan: ditto

Era of peace: Fatima, nuff said.

- Spiritual reign: We will differ here, Christ is reigning now in the Eucharist. He has ushered his kingdom already. May I suggest Scott Hahn for further reading.

So no, "we" have no problem with any of those things. You can safely stop repeating that we do, that's not true.

Do I believe in those aforementioned messages? Almost sure not, but each for their own reasons that I would be happy to elaborate on in a separate thread.

Here is what gets me to post, when you post as a matter of fact:

"nothing in it is contrary to scripture"

"they fit into the current prophetic consensus"

"revealing for those with ears to hear"

These are all OPINION statements that you have appointed yourself as an objective judge based on your own understanding of prophecy/scripture. When I see statements such as those, I am compelled to post the questions that have not been answered. I post in charity for the good of souls who may read it, and try to stay on point without getting personal. Calling people "liars" is not appropriate.

Perhaps you can address the outstanding points instead of ignoring them and making false assumptions about why I am posting?