The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Lumena, I agree it is a mess.

    I watch TCM often and I like a lot of the old movies. Some I only watch once just for the historical value, it has become a sort of hobby of mine. Recently, they showed a Bela Lugosi movie called White Zombie . I am not much of a horror movie fan and I never seen one episode of the Walking Dead but I found it interesting that this movie is the first movie to mention zombies and the announcer explained how the idea of zombies came from the voodoo culture. I think that a lot of the demonic may have its roots in voodoo as I think you have stated also.

    I want to be somewhat brief about my prediction related to 3/18/20 because I am not at all certain what will happen that day but I do believe that it involves Pope Francis and maybe the Vatican and maybe the world if it ends up being the day of the Warning but that is not what I am predicting specifically. I really have not studied all of the details of Our Lady of Medjugorje but I know that the seers have stated that a future 3/18 will be a significant day. In addition, they have also stated that the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart has begun. One morning several months ago I woke up with the feeling that I needed to check on something from scripture and it led me to 3/18/20 and then I thought of Our Lady Medjugore and I don't believe that it is just a coincidence. I feel that I should not go into any greater detail because again I am not certain of anything but I do believe that I should at least pass on this information to others. Most of us on the forum are prepared anyway and anticipate something in the near future in regard to what I have stated so this is not something unexpected. If I knew for certain that I was receiving a heavenly message I would say more but I do feel that 3/18/20 will be significant in some way related to Pope Francis.

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    I also want to mention that almost two years ago, I was drawn to making comparisons between the Exodus and the times that we are in right now and I feel that I knew that there was going to be a culmination of this in the form of a pagan ritual but I was not certain where it would happen or how. You can't imagine how astonished I am by all of the things that have occurred recently at the current synod.

    This was posted yesterday and it is very good imho.


    "BEYOND AMAZON: Does Francis Believe Christ Was Divine?
    Published on Oct 21, 2019
    In this Sunday Sermon from South Saint Paul, Father speaks of the horrific scandals coming out of Rome since the opening of the Amazon Synod.
    With these scandals occupying the thoughts of so many, Father takes a few moments to talk about three crucial teachings of the Church that must be understood at this frightening moment: Inerrancy, Infallibility and Indefectibility.
    Plus, Father discusses the ramifications of Eugenio Scalfari’s claim that Pope Francis told him that he does not believe the Incarnate Christ was, in fact, divine.
    Buckle up for a sermon perfectly apropos to the apocalyptic times through which we are all now living."
     
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  2. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Soo true, especially when they have someone they would love to court!! How does a good seminarian in that atmosphere make such a discernment? They don't have to be living in Rome, just know what's going on.
     
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  3. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    That Homily puts things rather succinctly!
     
  4. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Sorry, Dolours, all this is totally beyond my pay grade. The Lord seems to have allowed the modernists to take the wheel and go for a spin; I'm clueless as to where their destination is!

    Kyrie eleison. Christe eleison! Kyrie eleison.

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
     
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  5. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Good article to find out what is REALLY behind the Amazon Synod.

    Five Ways to Prepare for the Amazon Synod
    Julia Meloni [​IMG]
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    You’ve read the Amazon synod’s neo-pagan, pantheistic Instrumentum Laboris, relishing Pope Francis’s “mantra” that “everything is connected” (n. 25). You’ve reread Laudato Si, letting yourself be pierced by “the cry of the earth and the cry of the poor” (n. 49). But you still want to delve deeper into the spirit of the Amazon synod.

    You’ve come to the right place.

    Who better to help prepare you for the synod than eco-theologian Leonardo Boff, who likes to boast that Pope Francis used his material for Laudato Si? (“Wait, that is Boff!” various people told him after reading the encyclical.) Boff—who left the priesthood to enter a marital relationship with a Marxist activist after being silenced by the CDF in the 1980s—is also the apparent “theologian of reference” for the Amazon synod’s Instrumentum Laboris, as Roberto de Mattei has shown. It is even suspected that Boff may have offered advice during the text’s drafting.

    So here are five Boff-inspired ways to get ready for the Amazon synod, gleaned from the book that Laudato Si and the Instrumentum Laboris both love to quote: Boff’s Cry of the Earth, Cry of the Poor.

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    1.
    Think of yourself as Earth. Love yourself as Earth.


    Want to be able to say, with the indigenous peoples quoted in the synod’s Instrumentum Laboris, “We are water, air, earth, and life of the environment”? Just stop thinking of the Earth as an object—and start loving yourself as Earth.

    “Love leads us to identify ever more with the Earth,” explains Boff. “We must think ourselves as Earth, feel ourselves as Earth, love ourselves as Earth. Earth is the great living subject feeling, loving, thinking and through us knowing that it thinks, loves, and feels.”

    “Then we can be mountain, sea, air, road, tree, animal,” promises Boff.

    2.
    Learn about the “new world order” and the new “universal religion.”


    To ensure the salvation of the planet, Boff proposes a bold “new world order” in which Earth is “Gaia” and all beings in nature—mountains, plants, the atmosphere—are citizens of a “sociocosmic democracy.” He suggests a “central government” to “manage matters having to do with all of humankind”—and a “universal religion” to attend it.

    “The new paradigm that is coming to birth—that of connectedness—will be the basis of a universal religion that will only be truly universal if it seeks convergences in religious diversity,” explains Boff. He says the universal religion’s convergent “supreme value” will be the preservation of planet Earth.

    Have you noticed how many times Laudato Si and the Amazon synod’s Instrumentum Laboris denounce forms of “anthropocentrism,” call for a “new paradigm,” and say “everything is connected”? These themes come straight from Boff—and they’re instigators of that “spiritual revolution.”

    So could the ecological principles in Laudato Si and the Amazon synod be paving the way for a “surrender sooner or later” on the prohibition against contraception?

    “If we accept as a fact that human presence and activity is harmful to the environment and puts the very survival of the planet at risk…we must sooner or later accept emergency measures to stop human activity, such as contraception,” says one critic of Laudato Si and the Amazon synod.

    Boff, for his part, is fiercely critical of the “arrogant” anthropocentrism embodied in Gen. 1:28: “Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.”

    “These texts present a clear call to limitless demographic growth and unrestricted dominium terrae,” he warns.

    3.
    Acknowledge that our species is the “true Satan of the Earth.”


    “Our species is a threat to all other species; it is terribly aggressive and is proving to be a geocide, an ecocide, and a true Satan of the Earth,” warns Boff.

    The eco-theologian chillingly predicts that “as a result of excess chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) and other polluting ingredients, the Earth-superorganism may be about to devise new adaptations, which will not necessarily be easy on the human species.”

    “Gaia may eliminate [our species], very painfully, in order to allow the overall balance to remain and so that other species might live and continue the cosmic thrust of evolution,” says Boff. He wonders whether, after millions of years, new complex beings—“new ‘humans’” with a true devotion to Gaia—may replace our “arrogant” species.

    Clearly, “the great emergency” is even worse than you thought.

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  6. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    4.
    Recognize “the secret truth of religious polytheism” and the “permanent value” in animism.


    What will the new universal religion look like? According to Boff, we need to recover “the aspect of truth in paganism, with its rich pantheon of divinities inhabiting all the spaces in nature.”

    “To cure humankind of its polytheism, early Christianity subjected the faithful to a violent and harsh medication. With the existence of the gods denied, many doors of the soul were closed,” Boff laments.

    Boff says we also need to recognize the “permanent value” in animism.

    “We moderns are also animists to the extent that we…feel part of a living whole in which we are enveloped,” he explains. “Everything sends us a message; everything speaks or can speak: trees, colors, wind, animals, roads, persons, and household things.”

    “Shamanism arises out of this interpretation of reality,” the eco-theologian continues. Shamans use “gestures, dances, and rites” to put “energies at the disposal of human beings as they seek balance with nature and with themselves.”

    “All must awaken within themselves this shamanistic dimension,” Boff says.

    Fortunately for Boff, the Instrumentum Laboris valorizes pagan rituals (n. 87), “dialogue with the spirits” (n. 75), connection with “the various spiritual forces” (n. 13), and indigenous “beliefs and rites regarding the actions of spirits, of the many-named divinity acting with and in the territory” (n. 25). The native peoples idolized by the Instrumentum Laboris “have been liberated from monotheism and have restored animism and polytheism,” as de Mattei puts it.

    “Not even witchcraft is sidelined” in the Instrumentum Laboris, others note.

    5.
    Embrace ecofeminism and fight patriarchy.


    It goes without saying that the new paradigm will deploy ecofeminism against all patriarchal oppression. Boff says ecofeminism’s merit lies in its development of a “new pattern for relating to nature”—“against rationalism, authoritarianism, compartmentalization, and the will to power, which are historic expressions of androcentrism and patriarchalism.”

    “[In scripture] even God is presented as Father and absolute Lord. Female, especially maternal, characteristics of pre-neolithic deities, which tend to be matriarchal, are delegitimized,” laments Boff, who promotes female pronouns for God and women’s ordination in The Maternal Face of God and Ecclesiogenesis.

    Hence the Amazon synod’s praise for “faith in the God Father-Mother Creator” (n. 121) and its agenda to approve a female diaconate.

    Hence Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s description of a coming “‘Amazonian-Catholic’ sect” which “practices the adoration of nature and which will have a female priesthood.”

    * * *

    “It will not be easy to control this wrecking ball,” says Cardinal Müller of the Amazon synod and the “linked” synodal path of the Germans.

    “Afterwards, nothing is to be anymore as it was before, and it has been said that one will not even recognize the Church afterwards,” he warns.

    So we must forcefully prepare for the synod in 5 other ways: Pray. Fast. Make reparation. Organize. Speak out.

    Tagged as Amazon Synod, Amazonian Synod, Instrumentum Laboris, Laudato Si', Leonardo Boff




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    By Julia Meloni
    Julia Meloni writes from the Pacific Northwest. She holds a bachelor's degree in English from Yale and a master's degree in English from Harvard.

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2019/five-ways-to-prepare-for-the-amazon-synod
     
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  7. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    All I can say is- CHILLING!! It's more on our doorstep than ever. Sounds like one foot on the threshold.
     
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  8. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Yes!

    To understand this synod, understand Boff.

    "Leonardo Boff, who likes to boast that Pope Francis used his material for Laudato Si? (“Wait, that is Boff!” various people told him after reading the encyclical.) Boff—who left the priesthood to enter a marital relationship with a Marxist activist after being silenced by the CDF in the 1980s—is also the apparent “theologian of reference” for the Amazon synod’s Instrumentum Laboris, as Roberto de Mattei has shown. It is even suspected that Boff may have offered advice during the text’s drafting."

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2019/five-ways-to-prepare-for-the-amazon-synod
     
  9. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Here´s the article by Professor Roberto de Mattei referenced above:

    His words were prophetic.

    Amazon Synod Poised to Wage Total War on Catholic Faith: Our Resistance Must Be Equally Forceful
    [​IMG] Professor Roberto de Mattei
    July 5, 2019
    13 min read
    The Synod on the Amazon will lead to a “rupture” in the Catholic Church: “nothing will be as it was before.” These words were spoken on May 2, 2019, by German Bishop Franz-Josef Overbeck, in charge of the organization Adveniat which provides Catholic relief for Latin America.

    This is a clear confirmation that the revolution which is being prepared is linked to the Instrumentum Laboris (IL), the document released in mid-June which will be the focus of the work of the bishops who gather for the Synod in the Vatican from October 6-27, 2019. No document like this “instrument of work” expresses the “new paradigm” of Pope Francis so clearly, bringing to light many of the theses which were already implicit in his 2015 encyclical Laudato Sì.

    Heterodox “Liberation Theology” Forms Basis of Working Document
    The “new paradigm of integral ecology” proposed by the Instrumentum Laboris (n. 56) finds its metaphysical foundation in the indigenous theology of Latin America, a “post-modern” development of so-called “liberation theology” which was condemned by Pope John Paul II in 1985. The Vatican document actually has its theologian of reference in the ex-Franciscan Leonardo Boff, the theologian who has been most coherent in developing liberation theology into indigenous “eco-theology.” Boff, who was born in 1938, became a Franciscan in 1959 after he had joined the most radical wing of liberation theology. He then abandoned his Fransican habit and the priesthood in order to go and live with the Marxist activist Marcia Maria Monteiro de Miranda. In late 2016, he boasted in a German-language interview of having helped Pope Francis write Laudato Sì.

    The Instrumentum Laboris again takes up, in many passages, Boff’s slogan that is also the title of one of his books, The Cry of the Earth and the Cry of the Poor (Cittadella, Rome 1996). The document affirms that the Church listens to the “cry, of both the people and the earth” (n.18), because in the Amazon “the land is a theological place by which the faith is lived. It is also a unique source of God’s revelation” (n.19). The Amazon is not only a physical place, but “a reality full of life and wisdom” (n. 5), which rises to the level of a conceptual paradigm and calls us to a “pastoral, ecological and synodal” conversion (n. 5).

    With the same words, Boff explains that the Amazon has “an exemplary universal value,” since it represents the antithesis of the modern, development model “fraught with capital and anti-ecological sins;” it is “the ideal place to experiment [with] a possible alternative, in harmony with the rhythms of that luxuriant nature, by respecting and enhancing the ecological wisdom of the natives who have lived there for centuries.”[1] For Boff, “we need to move from the modern paradigm to the post-modern, global ‘holistic’ paradigm that offers ‘a new dialogue with the universe’ and a new form of dialogue with the totality of beings and their relationships.”[2]

    Indigenous Society and Beliefs Held Up as the Ideal
    The point of departure is the failure of Soviet communism, incapable of realizing the Marxist utopia of a society without classes. The only people who historically achieved integral communism are the indigenous peoples of Latin America, who are particularly dense in the Amazon, a territory of about seven million square kilometers, 65% of which is in Brazil, with the remainder including territory of eight other South American countries. The communism of the indigenous peoples is expressed in a conception of the cosmos which includes a conception of society. The indigenist sociology is the consequence of a cosmology according to which there is no difference between people, animals, and plants, but all beings, both living and inanimate, are “citizens of the universe” and bear the same rights. “The new socio-ecological democracy does not only include human beings, but all beings who inhabit the cosmos: it is a “cosmocracy,”[3] a new “socio-cosmic pact.”[4] “The difference between living beings and ‘inert’ beings is in the degree of thickening of relationships.”[5]

    In place of the United Nations’ Declaration of the Rights of Man, there is to be a declaration of the rights of the earth.[6] The earth is to be considered as a unity, comprising its physical-chemical structure and the living beings who dwell there. It is understood as “an organic macro-system, a living super-organism”[7] and ought to be considered as “the great and generous Pacha Mama (great mother) of the Andean culture, or as a living superorganism, the Gaia of Greek mythology and modern cosmology.”[8] “There is no difference between earth and humanity. They form an organic and systemic whole.”[9]

    This cosmovision denies the value of any reality, placing them all in interconnection with each other. “All beings live in a story of relationships. Outside of relationship nothing exists,” Boff affirms.[10] In his philosophical-religious vision, “the universe is made up of an immense story of relationships in such a way that each exists and lives by means of the other, for the other, and with the other; the human being is a node of relations facing in all directions; Divinity itself is revealed as a pan-relational Reality.”[11] As for Boff, so also for the Instrumentum Laboris: everything is interconnected. The Amazon is the land where “everything is connected” (IL, n. 20); everything is “constitutively related, forming a vital whole” (IL, n. 21). The Church must heed “the Amazon peoples” (IL, n. 7), because these people are able to live in “intercommunication” with the entire cosmos (IL, n. 12). But if everything is relationship and nothing exists outside of itself, the secret of reality is nothingness, because relationship has meaning only as a function of the reality which it connects: relationship cannot connect what does not exist. The pendulum of indigenous cosmology swings between an absolute nihilism and an equally absolute pantheism.


    Continue here: https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog...aith-our-resistance-must-be-equally-forceful/
     
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  10. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    The gates of Hell will NOT prevail again us, Christ's one holy catholic & apostolic Church.
     
  11. Again...

    Vatican documents detail suspicious investments at Secretariat of State

    Vatican City, Oct 20, 2019 / 04:33 pm (CNA).- A confidential report from the Vatican’s anti-corruption authority shows that the Secretariat of State has used about $725 million, most of which came from the pope’s charity fund, in off-books operations.

    Italian weekly L’Espresso published a report Oct. 20, revealing information from three confidential Vatican documents, one of which is a report from the pope’s anti-corruption authority, called the Office of the General Auditor, claiming to have found serious financial crimes and corruption within the Secretariat of State.

    The documents, L’Espresso reported, detail the use and management of extra-budgetary funds by the Secretariat of State, “deriving in large part from the donations received by the Holy Father for charitable works and for the sustenance of the Roman Curia.”

    At least most of the money was drawn from Peter’s Pence, the annual collection through which Catholics are invited to support the charitable activities of the pope.

    L’Espresso reported these funds are being used “in reckless speculative operations,” and that the same report by the General Auditor says about 77% of the assets (about $558 million) were put into Swiss and Italian branches of the investment bank Credit Suisse.

    A second confidential document acquired by L’Espresso is the 16-page decree authorizing the Oct. 1 search of the offices of the Secretariat of State and the Financial Intelligence Authority (AIF). The raid was ordered by the Vatican City’s prosecutors, called “promoters of Justice,” and led to the suspension of five Vatican officials and employees.

    At the time of the raid, a Vatican statement said documents and devices were taken in connection to an investigation following complaints made last summer by the Institute for Religious Works (IOR)— commonly called the Vatican Bank— and the Office of the Auditor General.

    The search decree indicates, according to L’Espresso, that the complaints indicated by the Vatican originated from the general auditor and the director of the IOR, Gian Franco Mammi. In the same document, the prosecutors, Gian Piero Milano and Alessandro Diddi, state that they believe they have found “serious indications of embezzlement, fraud, abuse of office, money laundering and self-money laundering.”

    Other reports provide details into the Vatican’s 200 million euro ($223 million) investment purchase of a 17,000 square meter apartment building in London.

    L’Espresso said that documents show a connection with Italian financier Raffaele Mincione, who was reportedly first approached and asked to invest 200 million euros, on behalf of the Vatican, in an oil company in Angola.

    This was the idea of Cardinal Angelo Becciu, then bishop and second-ranking official of the Secretariat of State, according to L’Espresso. Becciu is a former papal nuncio to Angola.

    When this project fell apart, Mincione reportedly proposed instead making the investment in the London property, converting a former Harrod’s warehouse into luxury apartments.

    The deal went through with the Vatican purchasing 45% of the property in 2012 through Mincione’s Athena Capital Global fund. When the London real estate market took a downturn, the Vatican, in 2018, pulled out of Mincione’s fund and purchased the remaining 55% of the property.

    CNA asked Becciu this week for comments about allegations made in relation to his role in the London real estate transaction; the cardinal has not yet responded.

    The London property deal was reportedly signed by Msgr. Alberto Perlasca, at the time an official at the Secretariat of State, in November 2018. The Vatican’s London investment was then given over to a different Italian investor, Gianluigi Torzi.

    Those are the investments which IOR director general Gian Franco Mammi supposedly reported to the Vatican prosecutors in 2018, leading to the investigation and this month’s raid on the Secretariat of State and subsequent suspension of five officials and employees.

    The L'Espresso report claimed that another person involved in the deal was Fr. Mauro Carlino, once a personal secretary of Cardinal Becciu, who was one of the five employees suspended from the Secretariat of State this month.

    Carlino was named head of information and documentation at the Secretariat of State by Pope Francis this summer.

    The L’Espresso report was written by Italian journalist Emiliano Fittipaldi, one of five people investigated and charged by the Vatican for the publication of confidential documents in the 2015 scandal referred to as “Vatileaks II.” Fittipaldi and a fellow journalist were later acquitted on the basis of a lack of jurisdiction.

    The Secretariat of State is the central governing office of the Catholic Church and the department of the Roman Curia which works most closely with the pope. It is also responsible for the governance of the Vatican City state. The Vatican’s Financial Intelligence Authority oversees suspicious financial transactions, and is charged with ensuring that Vatican banking policies comply with international financial standards.


    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ous-investments-at-secretariat-of-state-78280
     
  12. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    This may or may not be connected, but weirdly, I have noticed outright pantheism slipping into nature documentaries. Praising the spiritual connection that pagans supposedly have with the earth and animals (caused, no doubt, by demons), and describing the earth as a living, speaking being.

    So weird. I can remember not long ago when nature documentaries were grim, scientific, atheistic, gory, and matter of fact. Now, they seem to be evangelizing us, or trying to. Very weird.

    I really don't think anyone remembers just how gory and creepy everybody's pre-Christian, polytheistic messes were. Human sacrifice, often very cruel, drugs, alcohol, madness, bad stuff. Ugly stuff. Padraig's descriptions of pagan Irish worship are terrifying and disgusting. Do we really want to go back to that? Are we sure?

    One God created us. He gave Himself for us. We need to evangelize with this. Not error. And demons.
     
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  13. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Sorry, so within what time frame has all this occured? And did said Pope know about it. No doubt any pope is not the only person with access to the Pope's Pence.
     
  14. It doesn't say what period the search that was authorized on Oct. 1 of the Secretariat of State covered but then this fraud goes back decades since the reports of the possible cause of "murder" of Pope JPI was his intention to reveal the banking corruption back then. And as far as using charitable contributions ....and a tie in to the Secretariat of State there is that earlier story of C. Bertone building a very $$$ penthouse for his retirement years overlooking the Vatican! He was admonished but the results of that exposure hasn't continued in other reports that I've read. And he was the one who kept Sr. Lucia on a "leash" re: just what the faithful were to know about the complete story of the Secrets of Fatima.

    VATICAN CITY —
    The Vatican has opened an investigation into the financing of the restoration of former Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone’s large apartment, targeting two former executives at a children’s hospital owned by the city-state for possible redirection of funds towards the project.
     
  15. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I think we are coming into the period of explicit apostasy predicted in the 3rd secret

    In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved -- but not in Germany and many other nations after the Amazon Synod (my inference)
     
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  16. Lumena

    Lumena Guest


    In Portugal, YES - In Rome, NO
     
  17. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    I suppose this is what was meant by Rome will fall.
     
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  18. JAK

    JAK Archangels

    Carol 55 said “I want to be somewhat brief about my prediction related to 3/18/20 because I am not at all certain what will happen that day but I do believe that it involves Pope Francis and maybe the Vatican and maybe the world if it ends up being the day of the Warning but that is not what I am predicting specifically. I really have not studied all of the details of Our Lady of Medjugorje but I know that the seers have stated that a future 3/18 will be a significant day.”

    18th March is the feast day of St Cyril of Jerusalem. He said:

    Make your fold with the sheep; flee from the wolves: depart not from the Church,"
     
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  19. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    I concur with March 18 being significant of some year from one of the visionaries from Medjugorje. The only other comment offered was, when "it" occurs, all will understand the significance of that date.

    Personally I of course have no idea why or what.
     
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  20. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    I'm pretty sure all of us know where the destination is unless they turn the car around o_O
     
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