The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Unfortunately, we have sinned so much that He sent us German Bishops. It never occurs to me to pray for Cardinal Marx. I'll try to give him a special mention from time to time. Wasn't he regarded as one of the most orthodox German Bishops in the past? I suppose that had he flaunted his real beliefs back then he wouldn't have made it into the College of Cardinals.
     
  2. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Holy Spirit is guiding church on synod, Vatican official tells LGBTQ group

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    Xavière Missionary Sister Nathalie Becquart, undersecretary of the Synod of Bishops, is pictured in the chapel at her office at the Vatican Jan. 5, 2022. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

    By: Julie Asher

    Date: April 4, 2022

    WASHINGTON (CNS) — The “main protagonist” in the Catholic Church’s two-year synodal process now underway “is the Holy Spirit, who is ready to guide us on this journey,” Xavière Missionary Sister Nathalie Becquart told a U.S. audience April 3.

    “The aim of a synod is to foster communion and build a consensus,” Sister Becquart said to an audience made up primarily of LGBTQ Catholics via Zoom from Rome. “If we really listen to one another … if we listen deeply, we will discern how the Holy Spirit is calling the church to move forward.”

    About 1,000 people from 37 countries participated in the online event sponsored by New Ways Ministry. The organization’s executive director, Francis DeBernardo, called it historic that a Vatican official was addressing an LGBTQ audience. He welcomed the undersecretary and participants and was moderator of the session that lasted just over an hour.

    Based outside Washington in Mount Rainier, Maryland, News Ways Ministry is a pastoral outreach to LGBTQ people and their families. The organization follows theological development in the areas of sexuality and gender and aims to build bridges between the LGBTQ community and institutions within the Catholic Church, DeBernardo said.

    In introducing Sister Becquart, Robert Shine, associate director of New Ways Ministry, said she is “leading what some have described as the largest consultation in human history.”

    “Part of the synodal process is rediscovering church as community in which we all have to be the protagonist. LGBTQ families seek to do just that,” Shine said, telling the speaker: “Your presence here is a sign our church leaders are increasingly ready to walk with us.”

    Sister Becquart opened her talk by listening. “A listening church is a church that begins by listening,” she said.

    She asked participants to take a minute of silence to “think” and “reflect” on one word or one image that best described “what synodality is for you in the church.”

    Then she invited participants to share this in the Zoom chat area. Their words flooded in: “discernment,” “hopeful dialogue,” “openness,” “empowering,” “oneness,” “authentic listening, “grassroots takeover,” “excitement,” “humility,” “engaged,” “connection,” community,” “diversity,” “welcome,” “understanding,” “acceptance,” “affirmation,” “listening with our hearts” and “respect for laity.”

    She called participants’ attention to the first sentence of the synod preparatory document: “The Church of God is convoked in synod.” These words emphasize the need importance of listening to everybody, “especially those who feel they have no voice, those from the margins,” she said.

    A synodal church is about “communion, participation and mission,” as the document and the synod theme state, Sister Becquart said. These are “three inseparable keys at the heart of a synodal church,” but participation in the church’s “missionary synodality to serve the world” must be “shared by all,” she added.

    In the Zoom chat, some participants expressed “trepidation” over the synod process; others said they were “wary.” A few said they weren’t convinced even if the church listens to LGTBQ Catholics, it will make much difference for those who have felt marginalized by the church and the pain this has caused them.

    “This gay Catholic has been fighting for his dignity in community and ministry his whole life. Most have not been listening. How am I to believe that suddenly hierarchy is ready to do so?” Another participant said, “Even with no change in church teachings (on homosexuality), it would be helpful to see the church stop creating additional hardship” for the LGBTQ community.

    In her remarks, Sister Becquart said she understands well the need to recognize the difficulties and the pain of those who feel separated from the church but that she believes “with the Holy Spirit, we can find ways of reconciliation … if we truly believe it is the church of Christ, we are the body of Christ. … I can’t tell you more. It’s a matter of faith.”

    She urged all the participants to look for opportunities in their dioceses and at the parish level to participate in synodal listening sessions.

    Pope Francis formally opened the synodal process at the Vatican Oct. 9-10, 2021. It launched Oct. 16-17 in dioceses worldwide. The pontiff has called the church to practice synodality, that is listening to — and hearing — one another in all facets of church life.

    This two-year journey will culminate in the Synod of Bishops in October 2023. The synod is expected to adopt a final document that will guide the continuing development of a synodal church going into the future.

    During a question-and-answer period after Sister Becquart’s remarks, DeBernardo as moderator presented a few questions from participants, distilled from what he said were hundreds of questions. He brought together those covering similar topics.

    Several participants asked what U.S. Catholic bishops are doing to prepare for the synod as they hadn’t seen much evidence they are doing anything.

    However, Sister Becquart emphasized that at least 80% of U.S. dioceses have embarked on the synodal process. She also pointed out the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has created a synodal team.

    The team is responsible for three areas: communications — social media, website updates, Spanish translations and sharing stories on synodal preparations through Catholic News Service; outreach — activating networks and supporting bishops; and support — formation, formational materials and educational opportunities.

    Sister Becquart urged Zoom participants to visit www.synod.va and www.usccb.org/synod for various resources and materials about the synod. At the request of Vatican synod officials, New Ways Ministry has contributed resources for gay and lesbian Catholics to synod postings.

    Zoom participants also asked for concrete examples of how the church is reaching out to Catholics for their input for synod, especially those on the margins.

    “There are so many different initiatives. The Holy Spirit is working everywhere” and a lot “is happening at the grassroots,” Sister Becquart replied.

    In Spain and Italy, for example, the local church is “doing a synodal process listening in prisons, listening to prisoners,” she said. The Vatican is listening to a lot to migrants and refugees, she added. In Kenya, for example, religious sisters are holding listening sessions with refugees in one of the biggest refugee camps in Kenya.

    The French nun also pointed to an initiative launched by the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa, called “58,000 Cups of Coffee” to fuel synod conversations. Something she had said in a past interview sparked the idea: “Synodality starts with coffee.”

    Sister Becquart’s address was the Father Robert Nugent Memorial Lecture. The late Father Nugent co-founded New Ways Ministry in 1977 with Loretto Sister Jeannine Gramick, who opened the online event with a prayer.

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  3. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    It pretty obviously where these meetings are headed. Buckle up and pray.This process is a attempt to change church teaching that will impact many souls eternity. Very, very dangerous.
     
  4. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    There are no alphabet Catholics.

    We don't buy into identify politics.

    It's called same sex attraction and when acted out is a perversion of God's plan for human intimacy and regeneration.

    The identity we are called to is to be children of God, holy and pure.
     
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  5. Clare A

    Clare A Powers

    Whatever spirit is ‘guiding’ that lot is not the Holy Spirit. It comes from hell.
     
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  6. Byron

    Byron Powers

    The False Church.
     
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  7. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    The Catholic Church is one, holy, Catholic and apostolic. Christ said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against it, despite some appearances to the contrary.
     
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  8. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Yes. If God permits this, we must trust that He will ultimately bring good from it. Our duty is to live the Faith as best we can. It will be easier for those of us who don't have young children to raise in the Faith. St. John Paul said that parents' first duty is to pass the Faith on to their children. If parents do that at home and trust that God who sees all things will reward their efforts, I don't believe that God will ignore their prayers for their children no matter how many Bishops appear to be intent on leading the children astray.

    Sometimes "Trust in God" is easier said than done but it's the only way to bring ourselves and our loved ones through hard times.
     
  9. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Agree of course. What I meant is that they are trying to bring forth the False Church prophesied, but in the end will not prevail.
     
  10. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    for a synod or council to be valid it must be ratified by papal authority; the question is whether Francis will use that power when a multitude of local synods and forums for discussion and decision arise out of this synodal process.
     
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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Thankfully, these ageing reformist apostates won't be able to evade the 'biological solution'.
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes! And the subsequent judgment.
     
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  13. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    I am so distressed. I just read that the Pope is in Malta and refused to display the cross because he did not want to offend the Muslim migrants. Please say it isn't so. This is as bad or worse than pachamama. "Peter you will deny me". Put on the ashes.
     
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  14. Byron

    Byron Powers

    I posted about this a few days ago. Unbelievable. I’m sorry but enough is enough! This Pope’s behavior is very strange. May he repent soon.
     
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  15. Byron

    Byron Powers

  16. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Its terrible. Incomprehensible.
     
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  17. AED

    AED Powers

  18. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    May the Lord have mercy on them...and on us all.
     
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  19. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    What about all the Christians he has upset? It is typical of virtue signallers that they identify with the outgroup as a means of increasing their status within their own group, often accusing those members of their own group who object as being prejudiced against the outgroup. It is also typical of virtue signallers that they have little regard for the outgroup they claim to support, only using them as a means to their own ends. Of course, so self-proclaimedly humble a man as Pope Francis would never think of such a thing.

    While we're at it, over on the Catholic Thing website one can read David Warren's description of how Pope Francis recently hung the Catholic Church in Canada out to dry by apologising for crimes against Canadian Indians for which there is no evidence.
     
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  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I have found it better for Peace of Mind and Soul to forget about the goings on of the Holy Father.

    Glancing through this thread I am glad to continue right on doing so.

    So sad a thing for a Catholic to write. But he just upsets me.

    If I grind my teeth anymore I will have no teeth left.:);)
     
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