I have to say I had a whole lot more trust in Bill Clinton or Hillary than I have ever had in Pope Francis. That's not saying much. Bill was the better actor, Pope Francis is a whole lot more of a fox. ..than a whole cage of foxes.
Sorry I cannot link, as am on phone, but if you go to youtube, earch for "Papa Fransisco Ceremonius Fatima Adeus arrepiante" and watch to the very end.
I'm sorry he can cry till his eye balls fall out at this stage... I am sure Judas was crying when he hung himself...if crying proved innocence I am sure most of the Courts in the World would be empty... ..I am afraid crying just does not do it for me.
Im not trying to say that he is innocent, but just that the occasion of the Canonisation of Jacinta and Fransico and the devotion of the crowd he witnessed moved him, in Fatima 2017.
Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. Saying that the Pope Francis is not the Pope comes under Canon 751 Schism, which involves automatic excommunication. This is Church Law. To say the Pope is not the Pope is , by definition, Schismatic. The person who hold such a position is excomcumunicate.
To have questions about the validity of PXVI’s resignation or the problems of the conclave does nothing equal refusal of obedience to a pontiff. To take the next step, based on these concerns, and outrightly state PXVI is still the true pope, while it might be grave error to do so, does not apply to this Canon either; in their error, they believe they owe their obedience to a true pope, not a false pope, so again, Canon 751 does not apply. We’ve had 40 antipopes in history. Canonized saints, historically, have supported the “wrong” pope. They were not excommunication under any canon like Canon 751. These men may be in error, but they most definitely are NOT excommunicated.
You have no authority to sit in judgement on who is and who is not the Pope. Thus the Church has taught and thus the Church has always taught. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ . . You are granted no such authority. Neither have I been granted such.. May God forgive you for your presumption. I will pray for you..
Anyone who dares to teach or advise that Our Holy Father Pope Francis is not the Pope will be banned from the forum in Accordance with Canon Law 751 which imposes automatic excommunication.. Try me on this. I am not going to argue about it. This in perfect accord with the Council of Trent.
I’m afraid you are right. Which is why we must pray so hard for priests. Persecution is coming soon. Many of the Marian priests are preparing. So sad.
Canon Law is not an easy field -- it is not always black & white. https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2021/06/03/when-does-disobedience-constitute-schism/
Who set up lay people as whipping boys? That is an unfairly snide image., with charity, Maria. I beg your pardon. And how does what was posted distract from far more serious problems? We are aware of the problems and are advocating prayer and penance. With respect. The truth is that I have very little respect for some of the people who do the critiqueing, and the manner of their delivery sometimes causes me to cringe. People on the forum know that I would rather read text. I just can't warm up to the likes of some of them. I have always had a strong critical eye myself, and I don't miss much in the annoying mannerisms of the lay people on video. That is my problem, though.
I do like Taylor Marshall. I have yet to hear him call for schism. He does call heresy when he hears it. Doesn’t matter who says it. So calling a spade a spade so to say. Some very serious things happening now. Praying the synod goes in the opposite way I feel it will go. That will be telling. To echo others, we have had bad popes in the past, the gates of hell will not prevail! Praise the Lord for that!!! I am thankful we have Pope Benedict with us. Just is comforting to have him. Also, very prophetic being the time of 2 popes. All of this has been mentioned by heaven, none of this is coming as a surprise to God. I do think it is important (to me anyway) to keep straight the actual teaching of the church. And to be able to know when Heresy is being preached and spread throughout the world.
There’s a huge difference between disagreeing with your personal interpretation of canon law and saying Pope Francis is not the pope. No one here is saying the latter. Simmer down. I’ll pray for you too.
When you claim they are in schism for their opinion, you declare them whipping boys. That is only for the Church to do. We lay people have no business declaring other Catholics with whom we have disagreements to be in schism, and no authority to do so, whatsoever.
I can sympathise with all because we have been through all this mayhem together especially since 2013. To avoid circular arguments however there is no point saying the Pope is not the Pope. Of course we all agree that the Pope is the Pope. If Francis is the Pope then it is simply the chastisement we deserve
I was directing my question to Maria. I was discussing my feelings. That’s MY opinion. With respect. I don’t even know what a whipping boy is, Brian. Have a good Holy Week.
