No, Jews in Palestine did not create the first terrorist organization. That happened in France in the 1790s. Britannica says terrorism originated when, "The Jacobin party of Maximilien Robespierre carried out a Reign of Terror involving mass executions by the guillotine." ..."Terrorism involves the use or threat of violence and seeks to create fear, not just within the direct victims but among a wide audience. The degree to which it relies on fear distinguishes terrorism from both conventional and guerrilla warfare." The Israeli war for independence, more precisely, was a guerrilla war. The suicide bombers of the past few decades were terrorists, as were the Hamas militants and civilians from Gaza who stormed Israel Oct. 7. As for "the source of the problem," it goes back to the Book of Genesis, and the triangle of Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar, her maidservant. * BTW, I responded to your earlier assertion that Iran was coping well by ignoring the attack on its embassy (actually an extension building to its consulate) in Syria. Iran is no respecter of other nation's diplomats or diplomatic posts, as shown by its attacks on diplomats and embassies. * God promised Abraham in Genesis 15:4 that he would have an heir: “one who will come from your own body.” When she believed herself infertile, Sarah told Abraham to take her Egyptian handmaid Hagar and to produce a child by her.“So he went into Hagar, and she conceived. And when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress became despised in her eyes” (Genesis 16:4). Fearing the wrath of Sarah, Hagar fled the land after conceiving the first son of Abraham, Ishmael. However, a heavenly word was delivered to Hagar, instructing her to return. It comforted her that her son would have many children and descendants, although they will live in aversion with the other families and nations. Genesis 16:10-12 states: The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.” The angel of the LORD also said to her: “You are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” Ishmael became the patriarch of the Arab peoples. His descendants later developed Islam, and spread it to others, including the Persians (Iranians). Sarah later conceived and bore Isaac, and he became the patriarch of the Jews. Since ancient times, Arabs and Jews have been at odds.
There is a difference between the Jacobins who were in power in France after the fall of the Monarchy and as a result of the revolution and imposed terror and terrorist organizations as a modern term as we know it today from Ireland to Al Qaeda. What the Jacobins imposed was the forerunner of communism, every communism ruled through terror, so we don't say that the members of the Red Army in Russia are terrorists... Admittedly, even those first historical terrorist actions happened among the Jews when they were under the Romans, the Zealots even carried out attacks on priests, customs officials and all those who cooperated with the Romans...Many arrested at the time of Jesus who ended up on the cross were often "terrorists" caught in action against the emperor, either by murdering Roman officials, governors or Jews who cooperated with the Romans. You listed the events without any explanation. America held over 100,000 Japanese in camps in the US for years during WW2. If you were to show it like this to someone, it would turn out that USA was committing a terrible crime if you don't look at the bigger picture, which is that Japan attacked the USA, that there were hundreds of spies in the USA working for the Japanese Empire, that at the same time there were tens of thousands of captured American and British soldiers in Japanese camps, over 70% of whom did not survive the torture, that hundreds of thousands of American soldiers died... Let's look at your arguments. Iranian militants took over the American embassy in Tehran in 1979 and held 53 diplomats and staff hostage for 444 days. That led to domestic upheaval in the US, and a shift in government; President Carter lost to Ronald Reagan in a landslide in 1980. Honestly, they were lucky because the Iranians were as good as they could be. The American government was overthrowing the government in a foreign country, a revolution broke out that overthrew that elected government, and they rightly considered the American government responsible... In 1992, the Israeli embassy in Argentina was bombed, with 22 killed; in 1994, a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was also bombed, with 85 left dead. An Argentine court found Iran responsible for both terror attacks The reason is the war in Lebanon that lasted until 1990, where Israel intervened directly. In that war, the presidents of Lebanon, the leaders of Hezbollah, etc. were killed. The attack was not carried out by the Iranians, but by Hezbollah, which was at war against Israel, i.e. the army that Israel was equipping. To this day, Israel pays military disability benefits to about 5,000 former Lebanese soldiers, many of whom moved to Israel after the war. Iran had nothing to do with the attack, except that it supports Hezbollah. Similar to how the US stands behind Israel, but we cannot say that the US was rejected for attacking the Iranian embassy. Western countries and Israel have long identified Iran as major supplier of money, arms and training to terrorist groups in the Mideast. An article detailing Iranian ties to Hamas was published in late 2023 relying on national security analysis. https://www.fpri.org/article/2023/1...tly-improved-hamass-operational-capabilities/ I think it is a well-known fact that Qatar helped again with the knowledge of Israel, which the president himself supported because they needed a reason to intervene. https://www.timesofisrael.com/intel...irectly-to-oct-7-it-shouldnt-be-key-mediator/ Iran was immediately identified as a sponsor of the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel, in which 1,200 Israelis were brutally tortured and killed, with 240 hostages taken, including babies. Hamas terrorists wore body cams and posted videos of the attack to the internet. Again false, Iran had nothing to do with the attack which Israel confirmed just like the USA. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-link-to-hamas-attack-says-israeli-military https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/08/bli...an-involvement-in-hamas-attack-on-israel.html The April 1, 2024 bombing of the Iranian consulate annex building adjacent to the Iranian embassy in Damascus, Syria, killed 16 people, including a senior Quds Force commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi and seven other IRGC officers. Israeli officials linked those killed to the Oct. 7 attack and the resulting war in Gaza. Which made them combatants. If Iran did not participate in the attack, how can it be responsible? Does this mean that the Russians are allowed to attack American embassies because the Americans are helping the Ukrainians? Are you aware of the chaos it would lead to if you started attacking embassies and countries that help someone. Well, all countries at war have some allies. With this move, Israel declared war on Iran. I can imagine what chaos it would be if the Iranians attacked the American embassy because the US is an ally of Israel in the war against the Palestinians and because it supplies them with weapons. The reason, as always, is the fall of man, the desire for power, money and authority. Both are not good, only the Jews are far stronger because they control the media, politics, money and culture in the west .[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE] I disagree with your analysis; those who provide money, weapons, training are indeed linked to an attack, and Iran is a sponsor of proxy groups which have been waging war against Israel for years, Hamas included. The articles you cite on the Oct. 7, 2023 attack say "No evidence yet" but are dated Oct. 8 and Oct. 10. Too soon for the "yet" to be addressed. The article by FPRI, however, directly answers your questions (boldface list and italics): Iran has provided training, equipment, and financing to Hamas over the years, vastly improving the terrorist organization’s capabilities, evidenced by the cross-border attack into Israel on October 7 that resulted in more than 1,400 killed. The unification of Iran’s network of proxies under the purview of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force Commander Esmail Qaani has been a force multiplier and cemented Iran’s “unity of fronts” strategy as the most effective means of encircling Israel. Israel has declared its intention to destroy Hamas completely, but any attempt to do so will come at an extremely high cost and could spur other Iranian proxies like Hezbollah to join the fray, prolonging the conflict and increasing the likelihood of a region-wide conflagration. "... So how is it possible that Hamas was able to stage such a complex terrorist attack on October 7, an attack that killed more than 1,400 Israelis and wounded hundreds more? Put simply: Iranian support. As journalist Kim Ghattas noted, “the highly choreographed, multipronged, day-long operations and incursion into Israel itself … required months of planning and training that only Iran and Hezbollah could have provided.” There is a long and sordid history linking Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas. After Israel deported more than 400 Hamas figures to Lebanon in 1992, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force and Hezbollah worked closely with the Hamas fighters, training them on how to build and deploy suicide bombs, long a Hezbollah calling card. Cooperation between the triumvirate continued through the Second Intifada (2000–2005), when suicide bombings became a hallmark of Hamas attacks against Israel." Your information on the attacks on Israel in Argentina is incorrect. The New York Times, in an April 12, 2024, article explains: Argentine Court Says Iran Was Behind Israeli Embassy and Jewish Center Attacks The ruling opens the possibility for relatives of victims of the 1992 and 1994 attacks to make claims against Iran in international tribunals. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html I strongly disagree with this: "Honestly, they were lucky because the Iranians were as good as they could be." Are you saying the American hostages should have been happy? Taking over an embassy, parading hostages for propaganda purposes, are fully against international law. There is no justification for this, no context that makes this all right. Edited to add: I strongly disagree with: "The Jews are far stronger because they control the media, politics, money and culture in the west." Jews as a group traditionally outperformed many other ethnic groups in terms of academic achievement and professional success (although the leading ethnic group in the US now in these categories are from India, followed by Chinese). At present, however, they are fighting a wave of antisemitism, attacked at universities, portrayed as aggressors by the media, boycotted by entertainers. The woke virus, especially DEI, has led to reduced employment opportunities in private sector and government. Jews control everything is an antisemitic trope, a slander against those John Paul II called "our elder brothers in the faith." Finally: There is no justification for what happened on Oct. 7, no context you can offer that makes that right.
I was listening to a programme on the radio today the BBC Radio, discussing these things from phone in callers. It made me feel sad and in a dream world. A great, great war has come upon us, the greatest in all hunan history. Yet they all choose sides and urged on more and more violence, even the women . Its makes me most especially sad to hear women urging on war . When this was comes it will result in the death of billions , not millions . Imagine that. Billions What. then does it matter who is, 'Right', or 'Wrong'.?
There is not, nor could there be any right or wrong in such a war as Pope St John 23rd spelt out in his letter, ' Peace on Earth'. Evil has driven folks mad.
This is a time of diabolical disorientation, the time sp0ken of by Sr. Lucia of Fatima. Fr. Chad Ripperger, an exorcist, said the devil knows his time is short, and is doing everything he can now in a last effort to harm mankind. He recommended cultivating the virtue of detachment. And of course, prayer, most especially the Rosary. "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem..."
It feels that the next 6-7 hours are critical times. It’s now dark (10pm) in Tehran and Israel. Most strikes happen in these time slots before Dawn. I just saw Biden cut his weekend at his beach house short and is back in DC. Read that Netanyahu is headed to IDF HQ. Perhaps posturing but not great signs. It’s almost the 3pm hour here in NY. Will pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet for peace.
Sigh I do not wish to see anyone sent to hell. But in the case of the people who would bring us to a Third World War I am tempted to wish to see it happen. What are they even thinking?
Civilian air space being prohibited all over ME now. Going for a walk and praying rosary. I hope I’m over reacting or reading fake news. It’s truly worrisome right now. Peace.
May God forgive them. It all boils down to the next elections. It's nothing to do with right or wrong
This could be the start of a "layered" attack, with cruise and ballistic missiles to follow. The drones launched directly from Iran. From an Axios Middle East reporter: Barak Ravid @BarakRavid · 8m BREAKING: Iran launches attack against Israel using dozens of drones, four U.S. and Israeli officials told me Meanwhile, Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu has just Addressed the Nation during which he stated that they are now Prepared for a Direct Attack by Iran against Israel, with Defense Systems being Deployed and on Alert; he further states that they are Prepared for any Scenario, whether that be Defense or Attack. Earlier today, Israel announced all schools would be closed indefinitely and large gatherings were prohibited. Israel and Tehran closing airspace. Off to say Rosary.
Israel airspace closed. IDF statement coming in a few moments. So now it’s happening. I can only hope it’s a “tit for tat” aimed at military locations. If not, and is bigger, then who knows how it escalates. The US has a lot of fire power there. Blinken with Biden in situation room. Can only pray
