Robert Nugent put up a podcast today on the Mass before the conclave commenced. At the sign of peace Cardinal Re embraced Parolin and said congratulations until later . That's a bit strange.
I am positive the "secret" Vatican intelligence service will be following up on this with JHW. Also, it may not have come from the Cardinals. There could be a listening device that wasn't detected. This could be a kind of warning to those participating that someone out there has heard everything. JHW could have been sent the details anonymously from whomever was listening, knowing he couldn't resist posting about it. Intelligence agencies play these kinds of games all the time. There is a good possibility that no Conclave has ever been entirely sealed tight.
The Cardinals are sworn to secrecy under penalty of excommunication. If they believe in heaven and hell and the legitimacy of the Church they will not divulge. If they don't believe or don't believe the Church can excommunicate them can thier words be trusted anyway? Either way rumors should not be listened to.
Understanding what is actually going on in the Conclave reminds me of my grandmother who used to read tea leaves for fun. I doubt if even the Cardinals who are actually there know too much about what is going on. But like my old granny it is fun trying. One thing I would guess is that it is rather like a battle in a Civil War. A kind of Catholic Gettysburg. Things have come down to two sides. On the one side the Cardinals who are actual Catholics. On the other side those who want a brand new shiny False Synodal Church. These are two really opposite views, there is not much room for a middle ground. To make things even more tense and heated this like the Battle of Gettyburg this Conclave is an all or nothing effort. Whoever wins this one grabs it all and runs away with it. So even more pressure and heat. So we could paraphrase President Lincolns words at Gettysburg and apply them well to Our Holy Mother the Church: 'Two thousand years ago our Saviours brought forth on this World, a Catholic Church, conceived in Turth, and dedicated to the task of bringing men to heaven. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that Church, or any within it so Baptised and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war between Good and Evil in this Conclave.. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this Holy ground of Rome. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract to establish and maintain our Catholic Faith . The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this Church, under God, shall have a new birth of Truth—and that The One, True, Catholic and Apostolic Church, shall not perish from the earth.'
Yes I think so. Good x evil, as simple as that. Or as the holy Essenes often described in their writings over 2,000 years ago: a battle between the Children of Light and the Children of Darkness until the end of times.
Black smoke again. 3 rounds of voting so far. For comparison... Benedict & Francis were elected on day 2 .. Benedict required four rounds of voting; Francis took five. Pope John Paul II was elected on the third day of voting, in the eighth round. off to Mass for prayers they continue to listen to the Holy Spirit
Yes not, 'Liberal' vs 'Conservative'. It's good versus pure evil. The True Church, Founded by Christ vs the False, 'Synodal' Church founded by Satan. ..and as if that's not bad enough I doubt if there are many of the Cardinals in that Conclave get that.
If it goes on for days it doesn't mean that there wasn't a 2/3rds majority. It can also mean that the man elected chose not to accept the responsibility and they have to go back to voting. I have been praying that Cardinal Woelki of Cologne, Germany is selected.
Conclave: Three Groups Among the Cardinals? The current conclave will be "the most complicated in the last 50 years of the papacy", writes the anti-Catholic Golias-Editions.fr (6 May). This is due to the presence of three influential groups that are "clearly" emerging among the prelates. The first group wants to continue the madness of Francis, but with limited changes. Their main candidate is Cardinal Pietro Parolin, 70. He has never been a parish priest. The second, smaller group supports an extension of the madness introduced by Francis. This group supports the president of the Italian Bishops' Conference, Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, 69. He was a parish priest in Rome from 2000 to 2012. The third group wants a return to common sense. Their most likely candidate is the Archbishop of Budapest, Peter Erdő, 67. He has never been a parish priest. Even Golias-Editions.fr admits that Francis's rash and polemical government has created a deep division within the Church. As a result, the cardinals may opt for a much-needed conciliator. Most recent popes, including Francis, have never been parish priests. The last Pope to have been an ordinary, simple parish priest was Pope Pius X (+1914), who served as a parish priest in Salzano, Italy, from 1867 to 1875. https://gloria.tv/post/Mju9vsCSuPgd177MvCjsAUyk8
Well, in the case of John Paul II, he was a parish priest who was very friendly with the Jews and took part in theater during his youth, according to a biographical film about him that I watched more than 15 years ago.
????? I wouldn't hold my breath. https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...to-settle-perjury-probe-related-to-abuse-case German Cardinal to Pay Fee to Settle Perjury Probe Related to Abuse Case BERLIN - One of Germany's most senior clerics, part of the conclave gathering to elect a new pope, must pay 26,000 euros ($29,500) to a charity to settle an allegation of perjury linked to a historic case of sexual abuse, prosecutors said on Tuesday. They added they would end their investigation into the cardinal on condition of the payment being made. Cardinal Rainer Woelki, the archbishop of Cologne, was under investigation for testimony he gave about abuse committed by a priest who died in 2019. The probe found reasonable suspicion that the cardinal had made false statements on two occasions during his legal dispute with the Bild tabloid in August 2022 and March 2023, the Cologne prosecutor said in a statement. The false statements were, however, attributed to negligence. "I am pleased and grateful that we have now come to a conclusion. We can now devote all our energy to the challenging tasks of the future," Woelki said in a statement published by the Archdiocese of Cologne. The prosecutor decided against pursuing charges and a possible short prison sentence for the 68-year-old Woelki, instead ordering that he pay the fee to a charitable organisation that is not part of the church. Woelki accepts the end of the proceedings under the condition set by the prosecutor, thus waiving his right to have the allegations clarified in court, the archdiocese said. If the fee is not paid by the end of the month, the prosecutor said it would resume its investigation and pursue charges. The Catholic Church in Germany has for years struggled to deal with the fallout of historic abuse and criticism that senior clergy failed to act when first told about it. A report in 2021 found that in Cologne alone, Germany's largest archdiocese, there had been more than 200 abusers and more than 300 victims, mostly under the age of 14, between 1975 and 2018. REUTERS
This is too funny. So they are trying to get Parolin in by making him look like the moderate in relation to Tagle. My guess is that even with Tagle and Parolin support combined, they don't have the votes to get Parolin across the 66% threshold, which is why they play this game in the first place. Hoping to get enough cardinals to bite on the promise of backing off from a few of the directions that Francis was going, in order to cross the threshold.
The Germans were going after Woelki to get rid of him as he's conservative. They were looking for anything to try to get him out.
