Are they praying to the Holy Spirit to guide them or making human, political calculations? Either way they are making a complete hash of it all.
--- I do not belong to their community. I simply copied and pasted the texts from their website, which explain their reasons for their decisions in these extraordinary times. That's all I'll say.
No, not surprising at all. They very cleverly have a pope who hits all the right notes for the traditional people who Francis disdained. BUT it is still a
I agree that we are in an unprecedented time of evil with heretics having reached the Pinnacle of the church. They are like the Pharisees they will pull off any trick to shut down the voices of warning. The Jewish hierarchy paid the soldiers who were protecting the tomb to tell lies. It's still the same. The Vatican now wants to seize the announcement of Medjugorje secrets to silence them but God's patience with these evildoers is coming to an end. Personally I believe the Divine Mercy Mission is correct and the priest there is confining his activities to saying Mass. It's up to everyone to discern. Just look at the state of the church and the demonic takeover of the world..
I do not know what to think about MDM but I will say this. I do think Fr. John Mary Foster has been obedient as regards his Bishop's withdrawal of faculties from him for administering the sacraments. I do not think a bishop can withdraw a faculty to say Mass because once ordained that is the very function of a priest. He is an Alter Christus with the faculty to say those words of Christ - 'this is my Body .... this is my Blood'. Perhaps he would have to be laicised to withdraw this faculty but I am not sure in terms of cannon law. The other thing I would say is that 'obedience' can be nuanced perrhaps. What I mean is that even St. Teresa of Avila, a Doctor of the Church, fell foul of her own Mother Superior and the Provincial of her Carmelite Order, in order to set up a new monastery of St. Joseph. She did this to set up a new or rather to revert to an older and more strict Rule for the new reformed monastery of St. Joseph. And she did this at the behest of Our Lord by whom she was instructed during her locutions, visions and raptures. She was indeed obedient to her various confessors and spiritual directors over a long period of time, some of whom were doubtful about the authenticity of her private revelations. The fact is that she went behind the back of her mother superior and Provincial, both of whom were opposed to her plan to set up the new monastery. Actually, the Bishop of her Diocese was initially against the plan but was persuaded in favour of her case by some of St. Teresa's priest confidantes. So it is not possible to say if she would have gone against her Bishop. I strongly suspect not but I just relate this to illustrate that obedience can be a nuanced affair and that St. Teresa put great store in the private communications received from Jesus during prayer and the various visions she received.
We need unity with the Bishop of Rome - the successor to Peter the Rock on which Jesus built His Church. Jesus prayed that we all would be one. I think that's enough to let us know that unity matters. I don't see how reducing the rock to a pebble with constant highlighting of what we don't like about the Pope and the hierarchy helps the Church. Don't you think it peculiar that some Catholic commentators/influencers couldn't find any good news during the Francis papacy and the same commentators are starting down the same path with Pope Leo when he's hardly a wet week in office? There's nothing wrong with asking questions. I don't think it would be far off the mark to say that the vast majority of Catholics aren't bothered about pilgrimage lists on the Vatican's website. I don't recall John Henry asking any questions in his video. Making a big deal about the SSPX pilgrimage having been removed from the list after the event and the forthcoming Alphabet pilgrimage being added to the list struck me as OTT. I've been busy and haven't had time to keep up to date with the forum, so I apologise for taking so long to respond to your post.
Oh my goodness, humanity is in for it. I believe God will shut things down quick fast now, speed things up. Ppl won't quit it with mortal sin. I understand struggling with sin but I also wonder where the fight is against the devil. Humanity just sucuumbs to the devil & his ways. The goal is Heaven. God will intervene immediately for His children, His innocent ones. They are being aborted or conceived thru IVF. An IVF adult said she has 77 siblings, perhaps more. The LGBTQ agenda is messing with God's little ones - getting them on hormones etc. Children being killed just for going to Mass. I know God will stop things immediately now, for the sake of those that can't even defend themselves & for any parent that won't even protect their own. I know children can be influenced by the world but a lot of parents also don't think they have a spiritual obligation towards their own kids or they don't know right from wrong either & they don't care to know, they'll pursue everything else but God. It's all a mess, ppl have messed with God's order. A guy said to me that the teachings of the Church are too rigid & restrictive, do we say to God, His rules are too hard & to heck with it?? His laws protect us from ourselves & messing up this world - that's why the world is such a mess, humanity has gone against His laws. Everything is out of God's order & ppl are playing God. Thank God, He's going to clean up this mess, I do believe it'll happen any second now - for the sake of the children most. Something that is great & going around on social media is the hashtag & spreading awareness of Woke Christianity. I'm glad this is coming to light as well - that Woke Christianity is not good.
I didn't go looking for that John Henry video. It showed up near the top of the video stream alongside the SSPX video that someone had posted on the forum, probably because it concerned the same topic. I think that it must have been on his own channel because it wasn't the LSN channel. I admire John Henry for his devotion to the pro-life cause but I think that he (we all) need to remember that nobody put us in charge of the Church. We can go back much further than Pope John XX111.
Is it overly scrupulous, Brian, to suggest that people should let the Pope be Pope? After all the fear mongering about Pope Francis, is the Church still the Church? Francis did more than his predecessors to fix the problems with the SSPX. A fully reconciled SSPX (no offence to Michael Pio) will do more to bring the Latin Mass into the mainstream than all the defiant priests in ordinary parishes. Yes, his soft soaping of the alphabet crowd grated on us but the media had been very successful at giving the impression that people with same sex attraction were unwelcome in the Church. Did he go too far? Yes, in my opinion, he overdid it. On the other hand, if Pope Leo were to come down hard on the likes of Fr. James Martin, he would give the impression that the Catholic Church can change with each change of leader, just like a political party. I'm getting the impression that it's not just the whatever you're having yourself types within the Church who would treat the Church like a political party.
Well we will agree to disagree. I always try to find the positive in every situation and not to be all doom and gloom but I admit this situation is the total pits. However some bright lights in the dark. People are a lot more bright eyed and bushy tailed this time around and quick to speak out. So that's good. They made a terrible mistake doing this so close to the Minneapolis shooting. USA Catholics are outraged. As far as the internet is concerned the USA is the biggie. So that's good. As far as Papa Leo being a real actual Pope is concerned..well...I do wonder. I really, really do. A wolf cannot be a shepherd. It is illogical to think so.
I notice that National Economies right across Europe are in collapse just as Papa Leo pulled off this stunt. This is no accident. Britain is tanking and heading for Civil War. Possibly the most Godless Nation in the entire World.
It’s the beast, and Zionism is the False Prophet. I think England and Israel were the two countries the seer María Esperanza from Betania was speaking about.
One thing I notice is how depraved and evil the rulers of these various countries are and what hypocrites. They make the very worst of the Roman Emperors look good. Mind you if you look at many of the total monsters in charge of the Church at the moment, nothing should surprise us.
Freemasons. That’s who has infiltrated the Church all the way to the papacy. But what government, country, city do they take their orders from? I believe it’s London, “the great city that reigns over the kings of the earth.” I don’t believe Pope Leo is the one in charge. He is following orders.
Of course people should let the Pope be Pope, but that does not mean to go along with errors. I am taking no offence, but what do you mean by repeating the claim that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) should be reconciled? A sinner needs to be reconciled, and of course everyone individually in the SSPX has a constant need for the sacrament of penance. But as a whole, the SSPX is a shining example of holiness and perseverance. The SSPX has preserved the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) and the traditional Catholic teachings against the onslaughts of modernism. For many decades, the SSPX has been patiently enduring attacks and libel. The SSPX is bringing forth a growing number of holy and dedicated traditional Catholic priests and religious, as well as Catholic families with many children, who adhere to the faith of our fathers. Examples of this can be seen in my SSPX community. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the Catholic Church, the heresy of modernism has been wreaking havoc. There has been a widespread loss of faith, with nearly dying parishes. Modernist 'Catholics' are now almost indistinguishable from the worldliness they are surrounded with. As a whole, the Western societies have become perverted, frustrated, decadent. We will face a massive population crisis in the coming decades due to the lack of children, as people have given in to self-centred egoism instead of serving God. If it wasn't for the work of the SSPX across the past decades, the Holy Catholic Church could be close to collapse by now. The crisis of modernism is so widespread, it can be compared to the Arian crisis that had befallen the Church centuries ago. So Archbishop Lefebvre can be compared with Athanasius, who saved the Church from Arianism. In case you mean by "SSPX fully reconciled" that the SSPX should have no Bishops of their own and should be in lockstep with the mainstream Catholic Church: Absolutely not! Only because the SSPX had supplied jurisdiction and their own Bishops were they able to be a growing oasis in the Church, retaining the faith. And what do you mean by "Francis did more than his predecessors to fix the problems with the SSPX"? It is the mainstream Catholic Church that has many problems, more so than the SSPX. In fact, Francis issued a letter cynically called "Traditiones Custodes" in which he attacked the TLM. In contrast, his predecessor Pope Benedict had elevated the status of the TLM via the papal bull "Summorum Pontificum". Francis even ignored the papal bull "Quo Primum" by Pope Pius V, which had stipulated that the TLM cannot be abrogated. Thus, Francis contradicted the work of Popes Pius V and Benedict XVI, breaking with Catholic tradition. Francis also ousted holy prelates dedicated to Catholic tradition, such Cardinals Burke and Mueller, as well as Bishop Strickland. Last but not least, Francis hindered the work of the Ecclesia Dei-societies which are dedicated to the TLM, such as the Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) and the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer. This shows that Francis has not at all helped to bring the TLM into the mainstream - the opposite is true! No Catholic says that people with same sex attraction are unwelcome in the Church. But we need to hate the sin and love the sinner. Francis undermined the teaching of the Holy Catholic Church. For a long time, he protected molester Cardinal McCarrick. Francis also appointed "Tucho" Fernandez (author of a perverted book) to head the Dicastery of Faith. This was a slap in the face of Cardinals Mueller and Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) who had lead this office previously.
Padre Pio seems to have talked and written quite a lot about our present days. He was asked one time about the future and what might happened and was asked if maybe it involved nuclear wars. The old saint shook his head and said he was not concerned with such things. What really concerned him was corruption in the Church especially at the highest levels and that this was what he most feared. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/index.cfm?recnum=2449 675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. 573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth 574 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. 575 676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, 576 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism. 577 677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. 578 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. 579 God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world. 580 Notes: 573 Cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:12. 574 Cf. Lk 21:12; Jn 15:19-20. 575 Cf. 2 Thess 2:4-12; I Thess 5:2-3; 2 Jn 7; I Jn 2:1 8, 22. 576 Cf. DS 3839. 577 Pius XI, Divini Redemptoris, condemning the "false mysticism" of this "counterfeit of the redemption of the lowly"; cf. GS 20-21. 578 Cf. Rev 19:1-9. 579 Cf. Rev 13:8; 20:7-10; 21:2-4. 580 Cf. Rev 20:12; 2 Pt 3:12-13.
Yes we will have to agree to disagree because there's no doubt that Leo is the real Pope. As far as the LBGT+ business is concerned, there are times I wonder whether there are Epstein type files somewhere because it can't be coincidental that such a small section of society can get away with blatant mockery of all that the Church holds to be true. I suppose that if there is any plus point to the looming shift in world power it is that the alphabet ideology may have had its time in the sun because it doesn't seem to have as much influence in the Eastern part of the world. God will put a stop to this sooner or later and His wrath must be at tipping point. All I know is that rebellion is the spirit of Masonry much celebrated in the West. I'm editing this to add that the rebels often end up being as bad if not worse than those they rebelled against.
I'm sorry, Michael, that I didn't respond to your previous post. It was so detailed that I thought it deserved a detailed response and I want to thank you for putting so much thought into it. I don't like making statements that can't be backed up so had some web pages open from reliable sources and was preparing my response when I got called away, and will have to red-do the search before posting my reply. I'll get back to you.
What we have seen in the first days of Leo is that he apparently professes the central dogmas of Christology. We have not witnessed anything similar to the Scalfari effect, in which the Vatican press apparatus tried in vain to extinguish the fire caused by heretical statements. Francis managed to go down in history as the one who united paradoxical things, such as the consecration of Russia and the sweet illusion of an empty hell, which indirectly contrasts with the belief in the apparitions of Fatima, especially the “first secret.” Leo stands out negatively for his poor appointments and for encouraging the process of the Church’s anglicanization—namely, his recent promotion of “particular councils.” It is a simple mathematical formula: synodality + liberal bishop appointments = schism. Not necessarily a declared schism to be labeled in the press and history books, but rather a schism with the Church’s 2,000-year-old doctrine.
