Understood. But, correct me if I am wrong, he ties the Era of Peace to the same period (however long that might be in earth time) called the "thousand years" in Apocalypse 20. That would not necessarily be millenarian to do so. I am not accusing him of millenarianism. It would be logical to associate a period of peace with the binding of Satan. And I think Birch does do that, right?
I am curious of the possibility of the different perspectives. The rest not so much. The whore of Babylon is in reference to the Jews, this is entirely obvious from the old testament.
I know very little about you, PNF, apart from what you've shared here on the forum. You are convinced it is a map which leads to a fulfillment of Catholic prophecy. May the "signs of the times" encourage us all to place everything, including our eternal destiny in the hands of the Two Hearts today. I may not wake up tomorrow morning. God bless you. God bless us all!
You are failing to make distinctions. The "angel" in Apocalypse 20:1 is not casting anyone to death and Hades. He is the person who binds and looses Satan for a short time. This is the Holy Pope doing these things. That binding/loosing was before Jesus shows up publicly at the Second Coming and the Final Judgement, the events of which at the end of Chapter 20: 9 And there came down fire from God out of heaven, and devoured them; and the devil, who seduced them, was cast into the pool of fire and brimstone, where both the beast 10 And the false prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and one sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away, and there was no place found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. 14 And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire. Jesus is the one doing all of those things in verses 9-14.
Remember the end times is the period when Jesus allows Satan to "sift His Church." Sifting is separating the wheat from the chaff. It is not about the current Talmudic Jews that we know today. The Jews can either convert to the Catholic faith or they will be lost. There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. This is Catholic dogma. But going back to different perspectives of the Septenaries. Read them carefully with the framework that I described. You will hopefully understand why each group needs its own focus. Also, read Isaiah (Seals), Ezekiel (Trumpets), and Jeremiah (Vials). Isaiah focuses on the Holy Seed who long for heavenly things. Ezekiel focuses on the Remnant Army who have dreams of a return from captivity to the earthly Jerusalem. Jeremiah focuses on the intransigent who ultimately end up abandoning Israel and going back to Egypt.
Ok, lets dig into this further then. Revelation 9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded. Then I saw a star from heaven which had fallen to the earth, and the key of the pit of the abyss was given to him. Revelation 1:20 As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. In that case the angel of revelation 20:1 is simply an angel. Not a Pope. Also I keep telling you that in revelation 20 that the beast and FP are already in the lake of fire by the time Satan is thrown in as well. Which means that they were both thrown in before the 1000 year reign of Christ.
I appreciate your trying to teach me, but you still haven't addressed many of my points. I continue to put holes in your theory and you continue to ignore them.
Revelation 2:1 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. Therefore... star = angel = leaders of the church at the time Revelation was written Should we then be expecting to see one of the leaders of the seven churches at the time Revelation was written come down with the key?
Apocalypse 9:1 is referring to the antipope "destroyer." He is further described in 9:10-11. This the Antichrist/False Prophet. 10 ...And they had over them 11 A king, the angel of the bottomless pit; whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek Apollyon; in Latin Exterminans. He was allowed by God to hold the key to the abyss and he released demons into the Church as part of the Church's Final Trial. Do you need me to name this guy? Apocalypse 1:20 is Jesus, He identifies Himself as the first and the last. I'm not sure the point you are trying to make. Apocalypse 20:1 is the Holy Pope. What is he doing? He is binding and loosing Satan. What is the effect of that binding? To create a period of Peace. Why do we (in our time) know it is the Pope? Because Our Lady said that the Pope must consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart. And the effect of that will be a period of peace. So it is the Pope who does the binding of Satan through his consecration of Russia.
Yes, a "star" represents a very high leader of the Church. And "angel" is a "messenger." They are not necessarily identical. Although the roles definitely overlap. The number 7 is a number representing divine perfection and need not be taken literally. Your last question is a non sequitur. I will assume you are trying to be sarcastic.
I was simply using the lines to decode those parts of the book of revelation. You keep saying the angel is the Pope, but it is entirely an assumption on your part. Revelation refers to itself and the rest of the Bible in order to give meaning to what is being read. So I came up with "star = angel = leaders of the church at the time Revelation was written" As far as I know, none of the church leaders referred to in revelation 2 & 3 descend from the lineage of Popes. I also never referred to Rev 1:20 but Rev 1:18 in relation to Jesus, because in that verse he is holding the keys to death and hades. You hold to the idea that Russia was never consecrated, whereas I do believe it happened under PSJPII on March 25th 1984, feast of the annunciation.
The more I think about it though, the more I think you are onto something with Popes being the angels. Because in Rev 9:1 and 20:1 mentions that they hold "the key" as in a single key. Since we know that angels/stars can be high leaders of churches, as is defined in Rev 2:1. It would make sense that "the key to the abyss" could be handed down in succession, just as we have a succession of Popes. If it is a Pope in Rev 9:1, it appears to be a fallen Pope as you say. Because it fell from heaven as opposed to came down from heaven.
One thing always sobers me and that is the belief that when things do truly kick off they will do so very,very quickly. Which is why Our Blessed Mother keeps reminding us of the need for conversion and to get ready.
I agree with Pax Prima on mystery Babylon. It was Israel. Both Peter and Paul were speaking about Israel.
I appreciate your thoughts on this PNF. Going back and reading these versus in revelation. It’s amazing. The seals, the trumpets and the vials. I am going to go back and Isaiah, Ezekiel and Jeremiah, with these thoughts in mind. Thank you!
I believe that the abomination of desolation is fulfilled within the Church itself; however, there will be a global geopolitical leader who will apparently fulfill the prophecies about the Jewish Messiah and will also be seen as the new King Cyrus. This is why the drying up of the Euphrates River will have a confirming character regarding his supernatural mission, for he will perform supernatural wonders such as diverting the course of rivers and calling down fire from heaven. He will also evoke the military legacy of King Cyrus, who diverted the Euphrates River to attack Babylon. To this day, the tomb of King Cyrus in Pasargadae is a center of Zoroastrian spiritual devotion. When the new King Cyrus appears, he will then invoke an aspect of a resurrected king.
It is happening very quickly already. The increasing confusion and rebellion of the last 65 years is little more than 3% of the time since Christ's Ascension. Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
I remember talking about all these events we are currently seeing with my Spiritual Director about 50 years ago. They were all foretold by Our Lady of Mount Carmel at Garabandal. The long foretold Mass Apostacy. To us two way back then it all seemed incredible like a Science Fiction movie. Now I see it right before my eyes and still find it hard to believe. Jaw dropping.
I think a geopolitical leader will be involved in things (it probably be Putin). But I don't think he will fulfill the prophecies about the Messiah or King Cyrus. If anything, the geopolitical leader will just play a role in aiding and providing refuge for the Holy Pope, in my estimation. But that is an interesting point about Cyrus historically being responsible for "drying up the waters of Euphrates," which was one of the 4 rivers in Eden. Euphrates apparently means "good crossing." I think that alludes to Moses and the Isrealites crossing the Red Sea to escape their enemies. I'll discuss that more later. I think you were suggesting that Cyrus may be a figure for the geopolitical Antichrist. But the point at which Cyrus comes onto the scene in Isaiah, he is a spiritual leader on God's side, not a geopolitical Antichrist figure (Isaiah 44): 21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for thou art my servant. I have formed thee, thou art my servant, O Israel, forget me not. 22 I have blotted out thy iniquities as a cloud, and thy sins as a mist: return to me, for I have redeemed thee. 23 Give praise, O ye heavens, for the Lord hath shewn mercy: shout with joy, ye ends of the earth: ye mountains, resound with praise, thou, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and Israel shall be glorified. 24 Thus saith the Lord thy [Israel's] redeemer, and thy [Israel's] maker, from the womb: I am the Lord, that make all things, that alone stretch out the heavens, that establish the earth, and there is none with me. 25 That make void the tokens of diviners, and make the soothsayers mad. That turn the wise backward, and that, make their knowledge foolish. 26 That raise up the word of my servant [Israel] and perform the counsel of my messengers [angels], who say to Jerusalem: Thou shalt be inhabited: and to the cities of Juda: You shall be built, and I will raise up the wastes thereof. 27 Who say to the deep: Be thou desolate, and I will dry up thy rivers. 28 Who say to Cyrus: Thou art my shepherd, and thou shalt perform all my pleasure. Who say to Jerusalem: Thou shalt be built: and to the temple: Thy foundations shall be laid. Jesus is speaking in the first part of that passage to "Israel." He identifies "Israel," the Remnant Church, as His "servant." Then the speaker shifts from Jesus to Jesus's "servant" and Jesus's "messengers." The servant and the messengers "say to Cyrus." So Jesus Himself is not Cyrus, but Cyrus is named as the "shepherd" of Israel who "shall perform all of [Israel's] pleasure."And it proves that it is "Israel" and the "messengers" who "will dry up the rivers" is not Jesus or Cyrus. But Cyrus clearly refers to the Holy Pope, the Shepherd of Shepherds. I think the "drying of the waters" is an allusion to the parting of the Red Sea, through which Israel made its escape from Egypt. So in the end times, a similar escape from Babylon occurs. They do this, figuratively, through a dry passage across the Euphrates. Isaiah seems to suggest that this is Israel and the angels who want to escape and that the "shepherd," Cyrus, leads them. This is similar to what happened with Moses and the Israelites. So who is the "angel" that is involved in the Euphrates activity in the Apocalypse (chapters 9 and 16)? I think that "messenger" [angel] is most likely the "Woman clothed with the Sun" who begets the man child "who rules with a rod of iron." These two figures are the Blessed Virgin Mary (the Great Monarch as Queen of Heaven) and the Holy Pope. And both the Woman and the Man-child escape into the desert/wilderness with one part of the Remnant Church, the part that is preserved from harm, during the Chastisement. The other part, the Remnant Army, remains to fight the Dragon until the Second Coming (Apoc. 12:17).
