Listening to Father Groeschel who spent all his life in New York and grew up there, pretty well the Jewish capital of the World was a bit of an eye opener to me. For instance he mentioned how many Jewish folk tuned into EWTN and liked Mother Angelica. The same with Fulton Sheen. He tells the story of a Jewish lady who went up to him for Ashes on Ash Wednesday and he asked her why went up why she said, 'How can it hurt and it's free!! Pope St John Paul 2 had a special love for Jews, I think it was because he had some Jewish neighbours who he was very,very close to. But I think there present goings on will fall on their heads in the most enormous calamity. Israel is doomed and doomed big time. Actions have consequences. I remember a prominent Jewish Rabbi from New York who criticised Pope Frankie. He said that the Catholic Church was the moral authority that kept the USA in one piece. He said that what Papa Frankie was doing was destroying this.
Well thought out insights by all in in this thread. And while their plan may be to try and have a Christless cattle class whom willingly accepts what ever they are subjected to, ultimately it will fail for several reasons. And given the scale of such endeavors the scale of the failure will be just as spectacular. First, the ego is insatiable. Nothing is ever enough. No amount of revenge, hate, anger, lust, money, blood... Etc. However, these all have a cost. Both personally and collectively. We have more than ever, but we also have more debt, mental illness, pollution and corruption than ever too. The spiritual debt generated is astronomical and guaranteed God has raised or is in the process of raising forces to deal with this. Ignorance or denial of spiritual physics doesn't give them immunity. Also, on the other side of the coin are all of the oppressed and those who mourn are entitled to their return too. Exodus is a prime example. I would think Jews would be the first to catch on, but clearly their minds aren't as bright as they portray
There seem to be many righteous Jews and they crop up in the most unexpected places. Maybe, what’s happening among the Zionist ones is some kind of self-reinforcing groupthink, but there’s much evidence that, as you say, most of the world has lost patience with them. They now find themselves surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims that bear them great enmity and who resemble them in that they also have no concept of forgiveness for an enemy.
There’s a sense of everything, as CS Lewis described it in ‘That Hideous Strength’, ‘coming to a point’. Something has to give. In terms of these unimaginable national debts, to take one example, it brings to mind the old (now somewhat obsolescent) saying, ‘owe the bank a thousand and you worry, owe them a million and they worry’. No matter how much wealth, power and influence the Rothschild faction possess, there is no possibility they could absorb the effects of a worldwide renegation of debt. Perhaps the current insanities are a futile attempt to delay the inevitable?
It is like they are digging their own graves. They are relying on the fact that they control the USA. But they have not considered what will happen if that support for some reason fails.
It is important to keep such things in proper perspective, but in the end, when I ponder the above global scenario, I tend to apply such true standards to myself! And the confessional is how each of us deals with it! Song of Songs 1:7 Show me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou liest in the midday, lest I begin to wander after the flocks of thy companions. Luke 7: 44 Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48 And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?” 50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Praise God for the confessional!
This is an astute observation. The Muslims in many ways are like a mirror for the Jews. Could it be that Gog and Magog is the fulfillment of payment for such heavy debts? ones that Muslims will extract payment for? But that God steps in ultimately, because no matter how far the Jews fall He is willing to pick them up again and try to bring them to His light?
He will rightly step in because, no matter how much they have strayed (!), they were the people He first used to bring His light to mankind, even Incarnating among them.
I also think the Jews in general have been co-opted by the serpent in the kingdom war mentioned by God in Genesis 3:15. So in one way they are a victim of the kingdom war, bringing themselves into their own destruction. Allowing for what Satan would consider a win on his part. Because now God backed out of his covenant. But also, Satan might be trying to get back into the kingdom of heaven when the Jews get saved. Thinking he is going along for the ride because he ingrained himself in them. And, should God accept the Jews back but not Satan, Satan will have a list of grievances and accusations ready.
