Signs

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by themilitantcatholic, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The man who wrote ‘Forever Young’, ‘Shelter From The Storm’, ‘When He Returns’, ‘I Believe In You’, ‘In the Garden’, Every Grain of Sand’, ‘Sweetheart Like You’, ‘Foot of Pride’, ‘Dark Eyes’, ‘When the Night Comes Falling From the Sky’, ‘Narrow Way’, ‘Pay In Blood’, ‘Tempest’ and ‘Cross the Rubicon’, among many others seems to gravitate to God. He has also covered many traditional Christian songs and Christian songs by the likes of the Stanley Brothers and Hank Williams. And he’s a Christmas album with a half dozen-or-so hymns.

    Also: https://biblehub.com/topical/c/chief_commander.htm

    As for deals with ‘destiny’, if one thinks God is Destiny (or Providence), it’s not wrong to make ‘deals’ with Him. Every time we confess our sins and pledge not to commit them again, we make a ‘deal’ of sorts. Dylan has often said that he keeps touring because ‘the time comes when no man can work’, a phrase of Christ’s from John 9:4.

    Here’s the interview transcript:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-bob-dylan-rare-interview-2004/
     
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  2. Mario

    Mario Powers

    While I believe in evaluating oneself, I think it is necessary to look at a wider range, not weeks or months, but years. I'm human, therefore I'm a sinner. In the last week I've fallen. In the last month I've fallen (which reminds me that I need to get to Confession!). So self-reflection needs a wider scope (and the help of spiritual direction). After your accident, there were struggles, but you proved faithful in your love for Alyce. While I try to be the same toward Geralyn, she could share my shortcomings if she so desired. But she wouldn't because of faithfulness over the years, in the long run, which have bonded us together ever more deeply.

    I love Christ's injunction: Matt 16:224 “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

    I slip, I fall, I fail, but the Mercy of Jesus heals and will ultimately triumph in all of our lives.
     
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  3. What people seem like on the outside and what they truly are are 2 different things. We all can believe what we want but alot of celebrities do not show their true selves.
     
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  4. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Perhaps he did make a deal with something dark, but he is drawn toward God and wishes he hadn't done it. We should pray for him.
     
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  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I don’t think there is any evidence that he made a deal with anyone dark. He’s 85 and there is no evidence from his words or deeds over his life-time that he did any such thing, apart from this highly spurious statement. He’s not a saint, no more than I am. But, I don’t think he deserves this kind of assumption of guilt.

    Anyway, I intend to say no more, because the whole conversation is seriously disillusioning me.
     
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  6. Of course
     
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  7. I won't say another word but the assumption of guilt was brought on by him. He didn't correct the media and people talking about it... I stand by my statements..but prayers for him always.
     
  8. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I'm glad DeGaulle gave another side to the story. It makes things a lot more funny if Dylan is just being eccentric.
     
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  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I had a long chat with Magisterium AI and it says that, given the sparseness and ambiguity of the evidence, and given the counterweight of much of his life’s work, the burden of proof is on those making the accusation, which it classed as very grave. By putting the blame on Dylan for the accusation, you are assuming you have already proved it. I think this is very far from the case. And you did say another word and now I am.

    The AI quoted the Baltimore Cathechism, and I paraphrase from memory, ‘when a statement can be reasonably interpreted in more than one way, one should not rush to assume the worst meaning’.

    Therefore, I’m sticking to my guns.
     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    Thank you for this. That is a huge difference from the initial quote I saw.
    What did you think of the movie a couple of years ago?
     
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  11. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Let us assume the best as we would wish anyone to do for us.
     
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  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I didn’t see it. I tend to think of films about him as having the possibility of being exploitative. I go to see him when he performs in Ireland. He’s not everybody’s cup of tea, but he fills the Point Theatre every time he appears-about 12,000.

    He played with the Clancy Brothers back in the early sixties-they were from not far from where I live. In 1992, Sony/Columbia laid on a big 30th Anniversary Concert for Dylan, featuring nearly every big music star of the time. The youngest and last surviving Clancy, Liam, performed in it with his former singing partner, Tommy Makem, who owned a pub in New York at the time. At the end of the concert, a lavish party was laid on by Sony/Colombia in the penthouse of the building which hosted it, with all the big executives and hobnobs hoping to mingle with Dylan, their big star. But, Hamlet was without the Prince…Dylan scuttled off with Liam Clancy and quite a lot of the other performers and spent the night in Tommy Makem’s pub!
     
  13. Please enough... I don't use ai. I am not worried . I have alot of knowledge on this. I have read so many books on the subject. Most people I know knew exactly what he was talking about and that is that.
     
  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Actually, he said ‘in this world and the world we cannot see’, which plausibly amounts to the same thing. I also spotted a little more in the transcript. He describes his ‘destiny’ as being where he was in 2004; but where was he? He was in the middle of what came to be known as the Never Ending Tour (NET), which had begun in 1988. It didn’t involve big stadium performances, because he never recovered the ability to attract big enough crowds after the loss of popularity due to three Christian albums in a row, ‘79-‘81’. He played in all sorts of venues, all over the world. He did about 100-120 shows a year and is still doing it. He’s working extremely hard for modest enough money, relatively speaking. Why do this? It’s hardly fame or greed. He doesn’t need the money, he’s sold his royalties. It may be his way of doing a bit of evangelising. I think that’s the deal he made.
     
  15. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    This is a very grave accusation. And as I’m defending him, it would make me complicit, consciously or not. This is a public forum and will go on the record. Other people attend reading it and may come to read it. You say you have knowledge or evidence to support what you say. If so, you have a duty to present it. Also, who are these people who you tell us are saying these things and why should we believe them? It’s only hearsay and gossip without evidence. What books have you read-I have hundreds about him and have found nothing to confirm this? Otherwise, it cannot be distinguished from calumny.
     

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