Amazon Synod Working Document Released Today, and It Confirms There’s Trouble on the Horizon

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  1. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Dolours said:
    Pope Francis couldn't give a fiddler's about the Amazonian tribes. This is about implementing the St. Gallen agenda. The promise of German money will buy the approval of South American Bishops. They're getting the introduction of married priests and some kind of new sacrament for female minsters. They're also getting changes in liturgy including everything from liturgical vestments to whatever innovations will make the liturgy more appealing to the locals. There's not a chance that it won't spread from the Amazon region to the rest of the universal Church. Some part-time tribal priest cum chief doing his tribal dance at Mass dressed in his tribal outfit, carrying his tribal spear and chanting his tribal songs to appease the great fire mountain will be the launch pad for transvestite Fr. Franz in Berlin sashaying up to the altar in his slinky dress and stiletto heels to co-celebrate (they won't call it con-celebrate) Mass with Fraulein Heidi the new female Minister; the Chinese Communists having Chairman Mao's motivational slogans included in the Mass, and Thomas Merton devotees celebrating Zen centering Masses. And don't think for a minute that the Jesuits aren't already working out a scheulde for Teilhard's earth Mass.

    Our current hierarchy are men in a hurry. Remember what then-Cardinal McCarrick said about Francis transforming the Catholic Church in five or six years.

    For all that Michael Voris is demonised, he has the most interesting guests on his programmes. He did an interview with Fr. Sullins who issued a report about the relationship between the abuse crisis and the number of homosexual clerics in seminaries in the 1980's. He compares the crisis in the Church with the Israelites wandering the desert on the way to the promised land. It took them 40 years to cover a short distance. Fr. Sullins says that the percentage of homosexuals in older priests (including Bishops) is far higher than younger priests. He sees it as a kind of purification of the Church/priesthood and believes that we're approaching the end of the 40 years' journey. I think that Fr. Sullins must have missed McCarrick's glee at the prospect of Pope Francis transforming the Church within a few years.

    Is this what a purified Church/priesthood looks like?
    There is no question they are in a hurry. As if the enemy knows God has put a deadline down." This far and no farther."
    The 40 years in the desert is a perfect analogy.

    OK, this video about did me in. Let me know when the purification is over...:(:sick::unsure:
    I'll keep asking our Mother for the grace to pray the Rosary more. I also pray she doesn't mind if I forego the mysteries as I pray it on walks or do a couple decades more often than full roasary.
     
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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    No doubt in my mind the illumination of conscience or the warning from God is very close. Things will get much worse very quickly now (schism, war, economic collapse etc..) then God will prick all living humans conscience on earth, so all will know his truth resides only in his one, holy, Catholic and apostolic faith. There will be no reason for other religions or denomination from that point onward, for all will know the fullness of God's truth resides only in His Catholic church. Then, after the horrible period of the abomination of desolation of Revelations 19 and 20, prior to His victory and the era of peace promised by our Lady of Fatima and Revelations 20:2-3 for those who survive the test.
     
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  3. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    You are absolutely not crazy Tanker. Don't despair. It's the Holy Spirit that is prompting you about this insanity that is being called Catholic and which is most certainly NOT. I know you already do but we all need to pray the rosary each and every day. It is simply not optional. I believe that praying the rosary is providing more grace to Catholics and I mean real traditional Catholics than anything coming out of what is being poorly passed off as the Catholic Church by these men these days.
    Our Blessed Holy Mother is working overtime and has been for a long time now.
    As far as charity goes, the charity according to the men running the church is not the charity in the sense a Catholic understands it. It is the worldly secular humanistic charity to unite all men under one belief and it simply isn't Catholic. Otherwise, those bishops and priests would be baptizing and confirming in the faith as many converts as they could knowing the times we are in. That is if they actually could see and had real faith in what has been passed on faithfully since the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles and showed them what they could not (using their own human reason) possibly hope to understand.
     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    Well said. The Rosary is like our literal life line in these heaving seas.
     
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  5. Mario

    Mario Powers

    I have read through the document. What can I say? The Youtube clip in post 16 discussing some of the issues. What I would like to point out is that this document primarily is a distillation of Latin America theology and primarily a product of this pontificate. Examining the References to outside sources are the key to realizing this truth. I went through quotes and references not including the Scriptural ones and discovered the following:

    71 quotes or references are taken from Pope Francis' encyclicals, letters, or speeches (including 58 from .

    18 quotes or references are taken from Latin American bishops or conferences

    9 quotes or references are taken from Vatican II

    4 quotes or references are taken from St. JP II

    2 quotes or references are taken from the CCC

    1 reference is taken from St. Paul VI.

    It strikes me that much of what Pope Francis has preached or written apart from AL has helped prepare for this Synod. It frightens me!:sick::barefoot::eek:

    Post 16 above covers well the relationship of this Preparatory Document to the Modernist heresy, but the footnotes reveal the essential role that Pope Francis is playing. Lord have Mercy!

    Safe in the Barque of Peter!
     
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  6. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

  7. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Reject the evil...keep the faith!
     
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  8. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Yes, I read a comment (can't remember which news outlet) saying that Pope Francis likes to quote his own documents in support of his teaching. He does seem to be under the impression that Tradition began with his election in 2013 which may explain Fr. Rossica's assertion that Pope Francis is not bound by either Scripture or Tradition or a combination of both.

    This is the St. Gallen Mafia/Catholic Spring agenda being implemented incrementally and it has zero to do with addressing problems in the Church.

    Here's something written by Robert Moynihan in 2009, two years after the death of Cardinal Gagnon which appears to give a hint of the background to Pope Paul V1's "Smoke of Satan" statement: https://catholicexchange.com/a-dying-cardinal Reading what the Cardinal is quoted as saying soon after Pope John Paul 11 was elected, I'm reminded of what Fr. Malachi Martin said about the Pope being surrounded by people who hated him.

    Cardinal Gagnon was the Prefect of the Dicastry for Laity and the Family. When Cardinal Bernardin headed the Chicago Archdiocese, parents were getting the runaround from the Arcdhiocese when they reported that their child had been abused by a priest and a teacher. The Cardinal encouraged them to pursue a civil case. He more or less told them that any attempt by Rome to help them would only make matters worse because the US Church was in schism.

    The Cardinal was mistaken in believing that the abuse problem was mainly in the US and Canada. This, thirty years later and also from Robert Moynihan, is a piece about what had been happening in Belgium: https://catholicexchange.com/belgia...grossly-sexually-explicit-catholic-‘catechism

    Pope Benedict replaced Cardinal Daneels (who proudly called his St. Gallen friends a mafia group) with Archbishop Leonard. Belgium's Deputy Prime Minister's response to Leonard's appointment:

    "Church and State are separate in Belgium, but when there are problems in our society, all the social partners sit down around a table, including representatives of secularism and of religion. Cardinal Danneels was a man of openness, of tolerance and was able to fit in there. Léonard has already regularly challenged decisions made by our parliament." She added: "Concerning AIDS, he's against the use of condoms even while people are dying from it every day. He is against abortion and euthanasia ... The pope's choice could undermine the compromise that allows us to live together with respect for everyone."
    The homosexual lobby brought Archbishop Leonard to court, accusing him of hate speech for pointing out that same sex attraction is abnormal. The Femen group assaulted him during a TV interview. In 2015, Pope Francis replaced him one month after his 75th birthday. His replacement is then-Archbishop now-Cardinal Kesler, who was and is a proponent of an end to priestly celibacy and a supporter of Cardinal Kasper's (now the Pope's) belief that people in adulterous unions should be admitted to Communion.

    Many believe that Pope Francis promoted men in the US who were chosen by McCarrick. I think it more than likely that Daneels and Kasper have a similar influence in appointments for Europe and possibly other regions.

    The newspaper article, aptly headed "The Fall of the Belgian Church" linked in Robert Moynihan's piece has some more detail about what was going on in once-Catholic Belgium: https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4471

    Popes John Paul and Benedict were up against serious opposition when they began weeding out the paedophiles. Pope John Paul entrusted the job to then-Cardinal Ratzinger, which probably explains the "Pope's Rottweiler" slurs and the St. Gallen group's stated intention of preventing Ratzinger being elected to succeed Pope John Paul. Bergoglio was their man, and Daneels was rewarded with a Papal invitation to the Synod on the Family. Daneels,who had told an abuse victim to confess his role in the abuse by the child's uncle who was Daneels' friend!!!! Daneels denied saying it but the boy's parents had recorded him.

    Anyone who thinks a married priesthood is the solution to the sex abuse crisis or lack of vocations is living in Disneyland. And anyone who believes that the purpose of ordaining married men or instituting a special ministry for women is about solving a problem in the Amazon needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

    God help us.
     
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  9. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    No wonder South America & Latin America are becoming protestant.

    When one reads that drivel of a document on the Amazon synod it confirms all we need to know that masonic ideas have infiltrated the minds of hierarchy of the Catholic Church and we are living through a most terrible time of diabolical disorientation that goes right to the very top of the Church in this Pontificate.

    In Portugal the dogma of the faith -----
     
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  10. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Indigenous spirituality LOL

    Martyrdom of Fr Jean de Brébeuf

    The Iroquois heated hatchets until they were glowing red and, tying them together, strung them across his shoulders, searing his flesh. They wrapped his torso with bark and set it afire. They cut off his nose, lips and forced a hot iron down his throat, and poured boiling water over his head in a gruesome imitation of baptism. They scalped him, and cut off his flesh while he was alive. Finally someone buried a hatchet in his jaw.

    After 14 years as a missionary, Jean de Brébeuf died on March 16, 1639. He was 56. At his death his heart was eaten as a way for the Iroquois, who were stunned by his courage, to share in his bravery. Eight other Jesuits were martyred around this same time. Their feast day (Oct. 19) is referred to as either the Feast of the North American Martyrs or the Feast of St. Isaac Jogues and Companions. Let us not forget this great Companion.

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    garabandal Powers

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    Our Lady of Guadalupe - pray for us who have recourse to thee.
     
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    garabandal Powers

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    St Louis Bertrand pray for us
     
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  14. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Whenever God allows evil to exist, as it has throughout the 6000 years of human history, God always sends his prophets to warn and prepare (Amos 3:7). This is why there has been so many messengers in our period of history. They are telling the faithful how to prepare and how to persevere. I believe Pedro Regis is such a person and the messages he receives have been spot on......

    4815 - Message of Our Lady Queen of Peace, in Carnaíba / PE, June 16, 2019
    Dear children, I am your Mother and I have come from Heaven to call you to holiness. Open your hearts to the Lord's Love and allow Him to transform your lives. Turn away from everything that leads you away from God. You are in the world, but not of the world. You are living in a time worse than in the time of the Flood, and the moment has come for your return. Do not fold your arms. What you have to do, do not leave for tomorrow. I ask you to keep the flame of your faith alight. Humanity is walking in the darkness of sin and My poor children walk like the blind leading the blind. Convert. Difficult times will come for men and women of faith. The Great Persecution will cause suffering and pain to My poor children. The action of the false church will cause great confusion and division among the faithful. I suffer for what comes to you. Seek strength in Jesus. Remain faithful to the true Magisterium of His Church and everything will turn out well for you. Onward. I will pray to My Jesus for you. This is the message I give you today in the name of the Most Holy Trinity. Thank you for having allowed Me to gather you here once more. I bless you, in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Be at peace.
    4816 - Message of Our Lady Queen of Peace, June 18, 2019
    Dear children, I am your Sorrowful Mother and I suffer for what comes to you. Be strong. Do not be discouraged. Whatever happens, remember that My Jesus will be with you. Humanity is heading towards the abyss of spiritual destruction and the time has come for the great return to Him who is your Sole and True Savior. Great spiritual blindness has struck many consecrated and the confusion will be great in the House of God. Many will walk in the direction opposite to Salvation and the pain will be great for men and women of faith. Stay with Jesus. Accept His Gospel and remain faithful to the true Magisterium of His Church. Do not depart from prayer. Only by the power of prayer can you achieve victory. This is the message I give you today in the name of the Most Holy Trinity. Thank you for having allowed Me to gather you here once more. I bless you, in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Be at peace.
     
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  15. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    There are no words...His torture was beyond belief! Could hardly finish reading this....
     
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  16. Tanker

    Tanker Powers

    Exactly Dolours.
    I have had several discussions with my sister in law regarding the sexual problems going on in the Church. She was raised Catholic and received her Sacraments however has chosen an "open" spirituality :rolleyes:

    Her answer is that there is no homosexual problem in the Church and that if priests were allowed to be married and then they ordain women, this wouldn't happen. Somehow magic would happen if these steps were taken. Ugh!!! She is delusional. I can't get through to her and have resigned myself to just pray for her because she is so closed to Truth. She is a self proclaimed pagan but does allow some of her Catholicism in because it is important to her mother. When she has visited our parish she presents herself for Communion and tells us to shut up when we remind her she shouldn't.

    When my husband read the document from the Synod, he closed the internet window and said " Well, we will be underground soon enough". This coming from a man that does not jump to conclusions and does not read a lot of prophecy. He can even see it for what it is.

    Reading the document is heart wrenching. It's like watching Our Lord be scourged and people are standing around watching and doing nothing.

    God help us!!
     
  17. AED

    AED Powers

    This document is to me like an open declaration of something NOT Catholic Apostolic or Holy. It is as if the ugly fungus growing since the 60's has suddenly burst forth with very ugly and hideous fruit. Only in hindsight can we see its sinister progress.
    Padre Pio said the Masons were so thick in the Vatican they were up to the Pope's shoes. JPII Nd BXVI were surrounded.
     
  18. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I think your husband is right. But I'm inclined to over-react, always imagining the worst case scenario to be the most likely outcome. We have to trust that God is allowing this for a reason and that God can bring good even from the worst decisions made by man. I'm also inclined to overlook the fact that there are some really good Bishops and a lot of great priests.

    It's not all bad. Coming out of Mass today, two young women were handing out leaflets for a pro-life rally next week. And the celebrant at Mass was a lovely young priest. Not long ordained, his enthusiasm is infections and really lifted my spirits especially today on the feast of Corpus Christi. Maybe we spend too much time worrying about negative stories both about what's going on in the Vatican and desecration of churches.

    I'm reminded of an experience I had a few weeks ago. I was in the city and called into a church to say my Rosary. It's not unusual to see drug addicts and others loitering around our city centre churches and begging before or after Mass. It's a big church and I was way down the back near the entrance. There were a few others praying but they left and I was alone when a young woman came in. I thought she was a bit rough looking and as she was striding toward the tabernacle the first thought to enter my head was what would I do if she had ill intent, especially as she was getting ever closer to the tabernacle. Well, shame on me because that girl got down on her knees, forehead touching the floor in adoration. I thought afterwards that a lot of people I'd be happy to be with in the underground church might not be too happy to have me with them.

    On the down side, I was watching EWTN's Vaticano programme this evening. I'm not a big fan of that programme but I watch it occasionally. They mentioned the recent Vatican document about gender issues (the one that Fr. James Martin wasn't too happy with). They said that the document is not magisterial and that the Vatican will be issuing a document about gender issues which will be Magisterial. It might be a good idea to increase our prayers that the lavender lobby won't be writing that Magisterial document.
     
  19. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    It's always darkest before the dawn Dolours :)
     
  20. Just a bit from the latest message to Luz de Maria....as yet to be translated from the Spanish:

    Pray children of God, from Rome will come what will lead the whole world to be astonished, the spear pierces again the Side of Ours and Your King.
     

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