Apparitions, Prohesies, The signs of the Times and the Futur

VKallin: You have a good, solid conversion story there. The way you described how you were hung up Mary was insightful. It reminded me of a little who doesn't want to go to school on the first day and he clings to his mama, not wanting to leave the comfort of her embrace. Mama's touched, but knows that she must urge her little one through the front doors of the school . . .

Anyway, welcome to the forum. I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts.

 

Ditto!

Greetings from Upstate NY. Glad you're on board, Vkallin. You'll bring a perspective no one else can.

maryrose,

Thanks for that 100 yr. historical footnote. I sometimes imagine myself as a history buff and inserting these spiritual insights into the geopolitical and social framework of history can be so enlightening. Look at what happened in 1531:

Europe is rent by the Protestant Revolt. Spain, which is spared from the fray, is struggling to establish the Faith in the New World. Spain has crushed the outward expressions of paganism among the Aztecs, but are unable to penetrate the hearts of the natives. Our Lady of Guadalupe appears to woo them to Christ and from 1531-1538, approximately 8 million are converted! A daily Pentecost for 7 years!

Unlike France, who rejected the plea of the Sacred Heart in 1689, the Bishop in New Spain obeyed the request of Our Lady to build a chapel in her honor. Look at the fruit such obedience wrought. Vkallin didn't feel much, but he began to carry out Our Lady's requests and look at the fruit in his life!

Lord, grant me the grace to more closely conform my thoughts and actions to your holy will. Mary, Queen of Peace, pray for us!

 

Thanks very much for reminding me about this Mary with the reminder of the dereliction of the King and Court and hierarchy of the time. Of course with the fall of the monarchy we had the rise of much of 'modern' 'liberal' secular' {or Godless atheistic or agnostic thought} which we are struggling with today and which brings us to the Tribulation.

Of course as Terry reminds us the Protestant so called 'reformation' led to the widespread closure of openness to the mystical amongst the Protestant sects which is so dangerous to openness to the Holy Spirit. Of course there are and have been exceptions exceptions such as the founders of Methodism , John Wesley and the founder of Quakerism, George Fox who were certainly mystics and of course folks like Billy Graham who is in my opinion a saint and full of the Spirit.

But as a general rule....... I think once you kick out Devotion to our Blessed Lady , you kick out a very great deal indeed.....

 

...as I say , kick in as you please, we all have much to say and learn and teach.............

 

Rain,
There has been dispute amongst certain quarters on the formula of the consecration and the fact that Russia was not mentioned by name in the
consecration carried out by Pope John Paul 11. I believe he met major opposition within the hierarchy but went ahead regardless but the name of Russia was not mentioned.
Lucia said that the consecration carried out was in line with Our Lady's request so I think thats O.K. I do think though that they probably left it a bit too late as Jesus told St Margaret Mary and as a result the scene depicted in the 3rd secret is still not completed and the tribulation is coming because this request of Our lady's was not complied with in time. Maybe the call at Medujorge now to each individual is the request that if adhered to will preserve us and our families during the coming times. Just my thought.

Mary

 

One thing I also notice as regards to apparitions and the mystical is that not only that many folks, even good Catholics believe ;but they truncate the message, especially the 'Hands on ' parts I mentioned. For instance as regards the Sacred Heart , they would have no difficulty at all in believing the basic message, which is an affirmation of God's love but would have very , very great difficulty in recognising what Mary mentioned about the King and the French Revolution; they would have no difficulty in recognising Fatima and Our Blessed Lady's call to say the rosary, but would have grave reservations about references to Communisim and the need for the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart, or in Medugorje, again, no difficulty with prayer and fasting and Confession but they raise their hands in horror at the mention of the ten secrets and what the Our Lady's most extraordinary appearances mean with regards to the future of the world. I have two very good friends who have been in Medugorje more times than I can count but any mention of the Secrets has them declaiming on 'negative viewpoints'.... Others are made very uneasy at any mention at all of the astounding supernatural events that continually occur out there...

 

"Lucia said that the consecration carried out was in line with Our Lady's request so I think that’s O.K. I do think though that they probably left it a bit too late as Jesus told St Margaret Mary and as a result the scene depicted in the 3rd secret is still not completed and the tribulation is coming because this request of Our lady's was not complied with in time."

I have to agree with you Mary, and I think all we have to do is look at the world with our eyes to confirm this. It’s been over twenty years since this consecration took place, and in that time, in my opinion, the world continues on a path toward Godlessness. There have been many, many conversions as a result of the incredible grace being poured out in these times, especially in Medjugorje, but even this great response pales to the majority of the world going along its secular way. In my own country, there is still a majority who have faith, but there is much lukewarmness: there are many who pray and worship but who keep God at arms length; and there are many who give but few who sacrifice. But I think the time to be lukewarm is coming to an end…

A few months back, I was out when some storm clouds move in. I looked up in amazement as half the sky was clear, and the other half was dark clouds. There was a near perfect dividing line right down the middle—I’ve never seen anything like it. And no one else seemed to even notice! At the time it seemed to me to be a sign that the time of sitting on the fence was coming to an end…

Darrell

 

Darrell,
Heaven has to move to bring a change about. I think the ills of our present world all have their roots in the Fench revolution. Its amazing how the Russian Revolution is almost a carbon copy of the French Revolution. The remedy for all these ills is devotion to the 2 hearts. I think these devotions are appealing to our hearts in a very deep and emotional level. The thinking after these revolutions is to seperate God from the world and ultimately to deny his existence but devotion to the 2 hearts and the emphasis on the infinte love of God for His creatures cuts right through this. If Our lady's request at Fatima had been carried out lets say in the 20's or 30's the evil of the communist idealolgoly would not have infected society to the degree it now has and we could have been spared the tribulation to a great degree even the 2nd world war but the wrong thinking has now consumed western society at every level. There is no other way now but the tribulations to correct the course of mankind.

God bless
Mary

 

2 hearts

Maryrose, tell me more about the devotion of the 2 hearts...I don't know enough about it.
Lee

 

I also agree with you Mary. Our Lady wished the Consecration to be doe by all the Bishops of the world and this wasn't completed until JPII did it. Of course even then I don't suppose all the Bishops done it, because some of them are faithless and some under the power of Satan, though heaven will make allowances for this. As you say, though, it is very late in the day. Sister Lucia confirmed before she died that it was enough to satisfy Our Lady's request.

The next thing I think, which will lead to Our Lady's Triumph of her Immaculate Heart will be when The Church declares the last Marian Dogma's. Though I think this will be a much , much greater battle then the Consecration...and when it does happen it will signal the End of the Tribulation.

 

Padraig, what makes you think that the Church is going to declare another Marian dogma and what is that dogma going to involve?

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I think the last three Marian Dogma's to be declared will be Mary as Advocate, Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix', Deanna. I said this when I was on Catholic Planet Forum and Ron Conte severely disagreed with me. So I haven't really mentioned it since. Father Gobbi's messages also refer I believe to this possibility . Of course many , many Catholic theologians would also disagree. It was the same thing before the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception was declared, many , many great theologians argued against it, including some great saints.

Why do I think so?/ Well to be honest it is mostly my own prayerful feeling and from reading the Signs of the Times. You may notice from the readings on the Feast of the Immaculate COnception it always harks back to the reading from the Book of Genesis when the good God put Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. Do you recall the words of the Father to Eve??

Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

I think by crushing the head, it refers to the death of Our Lord and by enmity between the two that there would be a perpetual war between Satan and Mary until the End of Time.

Rev 12:1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Rev 12:2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
Rev 12:8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
Rev 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
Rev 12:11 They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”
Rev 12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
Rev 12:14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.
Rev 12:15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.
Rev 12:16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.[hr]

I also think that this was in the mind of Saint Paul when he wrote about the war in the heavenly places, thoguh he did not specify it as the time was not right.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12.

 

Lee,
I follow devotion to Sacred heart as requested to St Margaret Mary and devotion to Immaculate Heart of mary as requested by Our lady at Fatima. She requested the completion of 5 First Saturdays in reperation for offences committed against her Immaculate Heart. The details of both devotions are on this blog
http://www.sacredandimmaculatehearts.blogspot.com/
These are both wonderful devotions with great promises attached to them.

There is also the Double Novena to both hearts which I came across lately which consists of 9 First Friday and 9 First Saturday. I am considering starting this in February.
This is the site that explains all about it.
http://members.tripod.com/~LaPieta/dnov_ena.html

I think there is a specific devotion from the Philippenes to the 2 Hearts. padraig may be able to fill us in on this. Im not sure if its authentic or not.

Mary

 

Thanks for answering my questions, Padraig. One more . . . Do you think if this last Marian dogma is declared that it will cause division in the church?

 

Deanna I was going to say more first about why I believe these three Dogma's will be declared first. I was going to say more but I had to rush out to work this morning. I have been thinking and praying a whole lot about this since Mary asked us to 'Read the Signs of the Times'.

If you look back at the birth of Jesus, few enough folks would have thought he would be born as he was, of a virgin, in a stable in Bethlehem, his father a mere carpenter. Fewer yet that He would die on a cross like the worse of common criminals and that He would preach a Gospel of love and forgiveness. Its still mind blowing to consider. But the folks that did were the Anawem, the poor and simple folks, just as the first Gentile Christians were usually common slaves. The folks who rejected Christ were the religious elite, the Pharisees and Saducees many of the religious council the Sandheddrin. They thought Christ would come as a great magician or King. Recently I read one Rabbinic scholar saying that when the Messiah comes it would be like a great light shinning and EVERYONE WOULD KNOW INSTANTLY that the Messiah would come and who it would be.

Well you know I think at the present day it is the exact same in our own Church. Mary, for me is like a Garden Enclosed. She is like a great golden rose and the only way she unfolds is through the gateway of prayer, that is why whereever she appears the very first thing she says is 'Pray the rosary and fast'. Just so it was the little folk who prayed that were able to recognise Jesus not learned and wise and rich. Thats one of my great joys when I go to Mass is seeing these humble children of Mary, these latter day Anawem , recieving the Eucharist, saying the rosary and following the path of the saints, literally the salt of the Earth.

Now I think the Great Sign of the Times is Mary herself. The Signs that follow is that a great Battle in the Heaven between the forces of Darkness and the forces of light. Now I don't believe that this is a lets pretend battle, an analogy or a parable but an actual pitched battle for mens souls and hearts. Thats why if you look up at the skies you can often see great signs of it there. But of course if you were to say such thing to the wise and leaned they would laugh at you, just as they laughed at the notion that the Messiah could be born of a carpenter, the Son of a Vigin!!

I think the Incarnation was Jesus being born as a man , God taking form as a human, Gods hand reaching down to men to save us. Now, in these latter times I believe Mary as Co Redemptrix is the mirror same as this only its Mary's turn at the bat. Man's hand reaching out to man. and to God. So Mary is the leader of the Heavenly host. I also believe that these thing were kept secret in the plan of God although they are heavily prefigured both in Scripture, in the teachings of the Church and from many saints, mystics and visionaries.

Now as to will the Proclamation of these last Dogma's be a source of division?? No , not the proclamation itself, which will of course be by a full Dogmatic Council of the Church. . When these Dogma's come it will be a great victory horn, signalling Mary's Triumph. The difficulty is at present when all the forces of Darkness will go crazy as they realise this is coming. So its at the time before the proclamation that the Schism will come. The very notion of such a thing will drive the enemies of God crazy with anger, watch and see. For the Devil knows it is a sign of His undoing, even if foolish men do not................

On the 1st April 1974 Our Lady told Don Gobbi:
"Jesus wanted to offer The Father all His suffering through Me and with Me. By an act of willing offering of My Son to the Father, I became the real Co-Redemptrix."
"My Son Jesus wanted to have Me under the Cross and to add My immaculate sorrow to His Divine hands. He wanted to join My human suffering with His suffering and He intimately joined Me with the secret of His redemtion. In this way He called Me to become the real Co-Redemptrix. The fruit of My co-redemption is My spiritual motherhood." (15 September 1990)
"And this way I have participated in the work of your salvation.." (28 March 1997) "Under the Cross with My immaculate and mother sorrow I become the real Co-Redemptrix, when I offered My Son to the Father as the price for your redemption." (15 August 1997) It is necessary to remind that the messages of Mary to Don Gobbi has muliple imprimatur in the whole world.

 

What you said resonates with me. You've given me a lot to mull over, Padraig. Peace to you.

 

Yes, you know Deanna , I think the path to understanding in these things is really prayer and is one of the reasons I think Our Lady asks again and again and again to pray,pray , pray . SO in order to grow in wisdonm and insight we must 'put on the mind of Christ'.

1 Corinthians 2:16
For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

Not some human wisdom but the Wisdom of the Cross. As Saint Paul says, the "rulers of this age" did not understand God's wisdom at the time, for - he writes - "if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory" (1 Cor 2:8. And many do not understand it today.


I think , Deanna the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception is a king of Golden Doorway that leads the Church and ourselves as individuals to see further and further into our Heavenly Fathers plans and His great design for our salvation. To the Greeks indeed foolishness and to the Jews a stumbling block, but to we who kneel at the feet of Mary a dawning realisation of the glorious role He has set for our own dear Mother, Mary.

Heaven has buried us in Signs, but do we see them??

1 Corinthians 1:23 >
but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

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  So Mary if you like, as her Son before her becomes a great Sign of Contradiction, a dividing line , if you like between those who follow The Way and those who walk into the dark. Ask a Catholic if she has a Devotion to Mary, If she says yes be assured she walks in the light. If she disdains such devotion as immature and silly , be concerned, be concerned. Ask a Catholic if he prays and prays the rosary, if they answer yes be sure they walk a safe path for the storms that come. Ask a Catholic if his heart is filled with love of Mary and if he answers yes, know that he is one of the little faithful army that gathers beneath Mary's mantle in the great war that is upon us. Look not to the wise and intelligent, nor to the powerful and proud, look to the littlest and smallest of all , the Children of Mary. They through prayer will read the Signs of the TIme, Mary, the Great Sign in the Heavens and will come safely home....
  
  Also, you know in the many, many visions and prophesies we have seen we see this prefigured over and over and over again, but only those humble enough to pray can see this . For instance in what Maryrose mentioned about the Devotion to the twin hearts of Mary we see Mary as Co Redemptrix very clearly portrayed. If you look to the Apparition at Knock in Ireland you see Saint John the Evengelist , beside the altar with the Bible clearly opened at The Book of Revelation were he describes Mary.
  
  

 

I'll give an example of what I mean. last night I was at Mass and before it started I read a little Magazine called, 'The Sacred Heart Messenger', produced by the Jesuits in Ireland, who as you may know where the great promoters of Devotion to the Sacred heart It has been the most successful religious magazine in Ireland and has been going the longest. The Abbot of my old monastery put the finger on why this is so, it is precisely because it was such a spiritual little thing. It stirred up great feelings of love and devotion in people's hearts, talking about the lives of the saints, the Gospel message, the story of the Sacred heart, Our Blessed Lady and so on...

But when I read it last night , what did I read?/ People in an inner city area forming committees to beat drug dealers. Fine as far as it goes in a social/political magazine ; but nothing to do with spirituality. A recipe for cooking; fine in a gourmet magazine, but what to do with God? A article on art appreciation, interesting but again no spirituality. The only thing I could find to pray over was a discussion on Christs miracles by a Jesuit priest. He told me that Jesus did not really walk on water, Jesus did not really multiply the bread....and you know it left me feeling like a flat tyre. Now this is not just one Catholic magazine, it is them all. More than this these magazines are run by priests and nuns who are supposed to show the ordinary Catholics like myself the way, when they themselves are going in circles. One has only to look at the position of the Jesuits themselves, they are on their kness, not literally, sadly.

So if I look at a Catholic magazine I ask,'Has it any articles about Our Blessed Lady? So you see, a Sing of Contradiction.

A Dividing line.

 

Padraig,
last year I decided to do a 12 week course on theology in a local catholic college that was recommended by the Bishops Pastoral Office.
It was conducted by a priest a doctor of divinity and several other priest s who educate young teachers on Catholic issues. I was shocked
by the lack of respect for sacred scripture displayed by them. Like your magazine these priests do not believe in that Christ really performed any miracles or indeed
that he really said any of the things attributed to him. In fact he wasent really born in Bethelem either. All these things were made up years after he died to make him fit the
prophecies in the old testament. They did accept that something extraordinary happened because of the change wrought on the apostles after pentecost but then the apostles
constructed everything to make the picture fit. When I challenged the doctor of divinity on this I was told that my views were typical of an older generation.
Needless to say I decided to call it a day and keep my peace and my faith intact. Its pretty bad when you think that this is the type of catholic education being given to young teachers.
Mary

 

Sometimes, Mary, I get the feeling such courses can be downright dangerous, like reading the article in 'The Messenger' But like I said you can judge these things by the Marian Devotion or the lack of it. Its frightening.