Are the locutions of LTTW authentic.

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by jerry, Apr 29, 2014.

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Are the locutions of LTTW, locutions.org authentic

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  3. still discerning

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  1. She has already said in previous locutions that the center of human history is Jerusalem. THAT is biblical and coming soon. I fail to see what is so confusing about that statement if you know what she has been saying and what is biblically correct.
     
  2. May 02, 2014: 11. When the Events Conclude

    Mary

    When this series of events concludes, a rearrangement of Europe will have taken place. The European Union will be diminished in power and size and the new reality will dawn upon everyone. Russia will once again emerge as an evil force, set upon its own path. How naïve was the West. It saw in Russia what it wanted to see and never made the effort to grasp reality.

    It will not be a renewed Cold War because Putin has other means to gain his goals. The world is quite different than decades ago. The Muslim world, with its great hatred against the West, has come forth. Putin has friends in the Middle East whom he has cleverly gathered. He has multiple spheres in which to increase Russia’s influence.

    Such will be the state of the world when these events in the Ukraine and in Western Europe come to a cooling point, when what is gained or lost is finally settled. For now, all is still to be decided. Much depends on the determination of the West which is so compromised and vulnerable.

    In this current battle, I still sit on the side lines. My only hope is to send these locutions far and wide. “O Church, you must awaken. Only you hold within your grasp the ability to have the Woman Clothed With the Sun come powerfully upon the world stage and call everyone to repentance and conversion.”
     
  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

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    Dr Peter Kreeft, that good wise, spiritual man says something so unsightful/ He said be careful in thinking you are worshipping God when you are realy worshipping the elephant or donkey.

    He was warning about the false idol of a politicised religion either, Democrat , Republican or whatever.

    I think we need to be even more careful when Our Blessed Lady apears to be doing cheerlady for a political party. Very careful indeed.

    Again these messages sound like they are written by Fox News. Are these the things that are going to to happen; or the things she hopes and wants to happen ?

    Wish fulfillment?
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  4. QOP

    QOP Guest

    Padraig, I don't know if these locutions are real. I know that I see many alleged locutions online that after reading them for a moment, I hear "blah blah blah" After reading a few of MDM's I heard "blah blah false." I'm on the fence with LTTW... watching. I trust his/her spiritual director. I only know my country is being utterly destroyed. I'm 55 years old and I was always on my knees thanking God for being born here and our freedoms. Now, I fear my country and it's leaders and I'm not alone. I don't support either party in my country. I believe they are both corrupt.
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Did you read the thread, 'The Future of the United States?'
     
  6. Oh I agree whole heartedly regarding the political left and right. They are both the same. Its called the left/right paradigm. Its like Coke/Pepsi etc. We, as humans prefer a choice in things. Its sociologically how we balance things.
    If we remember that the purpose of our Lord's coming is to purify and complete things the way they should be, it seems to be 'less scary'. At least to me...
    Europe, as we know in so many of the apparitions, prophesies throughout the ages is going to get slammed, either by Muslims or Russia or both. Thats known. Thats a given. Every thing our Lady said in that last message is plausible and probably is going to happen. The West is 'vulnerable and compromised' because of our crappy choices! But she is also talking about Canada and South America with all the violence ready to explode through the borders.

    I don't need to tell you how many cells of extremists are in the U.S. There are many maps that spell that out clearly. I believe that a total re-arrangement of Europe will take place and leaders will sit on their hands and let Putin do it. Our lady sitting on the sidelines watching and praying that we listen and PRAY to MITIGATE some of the evil being perpetrated upon innocent people! When she says she is sitting, she means she is holding her rosary actively participating as the Mother of All that she is; as our advocate and mediatrix. She may be preaching to the choir in this crowd on the forum, but to those who are just beginning to wake up---these messages tell the unfolding of events that we as well read people of messages that we have studied for years already know is going to happen.

    I don't know about you, but many times a day I am now praying, "Woman, clothed with the Sun, COME! DO NOT DELAY!" and "COME Holy Spirit! Renew the face of the Earth!"
     
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes Marti of Course. But the danger is not that we are remade more in God's image, the danger is that we remake God in our own. I sometimes feel like Mary in these messages may very well have a blue rinse and pearls and be calling for the immediate canonisation of Ronald Reagan.
     
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  8. Mac

    Mac Guest

    When I read them, I think way to much talk , not enough matter. I would go so far as to say Jesus and Mary are boring.
     
  9. QOP

    QOP Guest

    Padraig, I haven't read that thread "The Future of the USA" but I will take a look at it.

    I try not to put Our Lord or Our Lady in a box in terms of how they speak or what they say or why. I do know a true mystic, with the odor of sanctity, a survivor of the concentration camps who has said many of the same things in LTTW. She used to have a program on EWTN and is still close friends with Mother Angelica and her nuns. In fact, they recently travelled all the way from Alabama to Maine to attend her husband's funeral. I've attended many of her retreats.

    This is her (link below). I highly recommend this DVD if you want to hear a truly riveting story of suffering and faith.

    http://www.lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/to-hell-and-back-divine-love-and-the-cross-1
     
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  10. QOP

    QOP Guest

    I also pray that prayer. No harm in saying it even if the locutions are false. We certainly need her assistance in these times.
     
  11. Andy3

    Andy3 Powers

    If the US wishes to be saved and changed it should do what Our Lady Of America requested so long ago now but sadly has never fully completed. All has been done except placing the stature in the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington DC.

    The Story of Our Lady of America
    Introduction

    A movement of great consequence has commenced for a definite response by the United States Catholic Bishops in response to private revelations which long ago received official Church recognition as having occurred in the United States. The revelations included apparitions of Our Lord and St. Joseph as well as St. Gabriel and St. Michael, as well as apparitions of The Blessed Virgin Mary as "Our Lady of America" to Sister Mary Ephrem (Mildred Neuzil), of the Precious Blood Sisters (1933-1979). Sister Mary Ephrem, deceased on January 10th, 2000, said she was asked by The Blessed Virgin Mary to draw a picture according to the vision of Our Lady of America and have a statue constructed accordingly and placed after a solemn procession into the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, in Washington, D.C.. The Blessed Virgin Mary wishes to be honored in the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception at Washington D.C. as Our Lady of America. Our Lady says that if this is done, the United States of America would turn back toward morality and the shrine would become a place of "wonders."
    While Auxiliary Bishop of Cincinnati, Monsignor Paul F. Leibold formally approved the design for the "Our Lady of America Medal" directed the Archdiocese of Cincinnati to pay for medals of Our Lady of America which he had ordered; and, approved the medal maker, Cyril Daleiden & Sons of Chicago, having the first leaflet explaining the devotion to Our Lady of America printed, also at the expense of the Archdiocese of Cincinnati.

    In addition, before dying Monsignor Leibold had two large plaques depicting Our Lady of America made, hanging one in the Cincinnati Catholic Chancery. The Monsignor also approved the printing of the private revelation messages of Sister Mary Ephrem. He served as Sister Mary Ephrem's spiritual director for many years.
    "Tell the bishops of the United States, my loyal sons, of my desires and how I wish them to be carried out," The Blessed Virgin Mary told Sister Mary Ephrem, who saw Her with a white veil reaching almost to Her waist and a mantle and robe of pure white with no decoration. An oblong brooch or clasp held the ends of the mantle together at the top. It was all gold, as was the high and brilliant crown she wore. Her hair and eyes seemed medium brown, said Sister Mary Ephrem. Her feet were bare, but not always visible, sometimes covered by the moving clouds on which she stood. Often she smiled and revealed a heart encircled by roses that sent forth flames of fire. "I am Our Lady of America," said The Blessed Virgin. "I desire that my children honor me, especially by the purity of their lives." At times light twinkled from Mary's hair, wrote Sister Mary Ephrem, and seemed to radiate from within her.

    Sister Mary Ephrem died on January 10, 2000 at the age of 83.
     
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  12. Andy3

    Andy3 Powers

    Our Lady of America
    It was on the eve of the feast of the North American martyrs, September 25, 1956, that Our Lady appeared to Sr. Mary Ephrem. In 1938, Sister began to have what seem like mystical spiritual experiences. She thought little of them, presuming all religious have them. As these visits took on the nature of a specific program of devotion to Mary which Sister was asked to propagate, she then turned to Monsignor Paul F. Leibold. Monsignor Leibold, later Archbishop of the Cincinnati, Ohio Archdiocese, would be her spiritual director from many years until 1972, when he suddenly died due to an aneurysm. Archbishop Leibold had become so convinced of the authenticity of this message that he approved Sister's writings and placed his imprimatur on the design of the medal. Our Lady had asked Sister to have struck a medal that would bear the image of Our Lady of America on the front and the symbol of the Christian Family and the Blessed Trinity on the back.

    Our Lady promised that greater miracles than those granted at Lourdes and Fatima would be granted here in America, the United States in particular, if we do as She desires. Sister Mary Ephrem stated that Our Lady called herself Our Lady of America in response to the love and desire that reached out for this special title in the hearts of her children in America. For example, Our Lady repeatedly spoke approvingly about the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington D.C. This title is a sign of Our Lady's pleasure in the devotion of her children of America towards her, and this visit is a response to the longing, conscious or unconscious, in the hearts of her children in America.

    "It is the United States that is to lead the world to peace, the peace of Christ, the peace that He brought with Him from heaven," Sister Mary Ephrem quoted The Virgin as saying. "Dear children, unless the United States accepts and carries out faithfully the mandate given to it by heaven to lead the world to peace, there will come upon it and all nations a great havoc of war and incredible suffering. If, however, the United States is faithful to this mandate from heaven and yet fails in the pursuit of peace because the rest of the world will not accept or cooperate, then the United States will not be burdened with the punishment about to fall."

    "Weep, then, dear children, weep with your mother over the sins of men," said Mary. "Intercede with me before the throne of mercy, for sin is overwhelming the world and punishment is not far away."

    "It is the darkest hour, but if men will come to me, my Immaculate heart will make it bright again with the mercy which my Son will rain down through my hands. Help me save those who will not save themselves. Help me bring once again the sunshine of God's peace upon the world."

    "If my desires are not fulfilled much suffering will come to this land. My faithful one, if my warnings are taken seriously and enough of my children strive constantly and faithfully to renew and reform themselves in their inward and outward lives, then there will be no nuclear war. What happens to the world depends upon those who live in it. There must be much more good than evil prevailing in order to prevent the holocaust that is so near approaching. Yet I tell you, my daughter, even should such a destruction happen because there were not enough souls who took my warning seriously, there will remain a remnant, untouched by the chaos who, having been faithful in following me and spreading my warnings, will gradually inhabit the earth again with their dedicated and holy lives."

    On October 13, 1956, Our Lady again appeared as Our Lady of America, but instead of a lily in her hand, she held, with both hands, a small replica of the finished Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. "This is my shrine, my daughter. I am very pleased with it. Tell my children I thank them. Let them finish it quickly and make it a place of pilgrimage. It will be a place of wonders. I promise this. I will bless all those who, either by prayers, labor, or material aid, help to erect this shrine." According to Sister Mary Ephrem, Our Lady often emphasized her desire that the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C., be made a place of special pilgrimage and that she be honored there under this image and this title "Our Lady of America, the Immaculate Virgin."

    Strong warnings were repeated by Our Lady throughout 1957 and 1958, and there after, indicating that the hour grows late and Sister must tell the Bishops of the United States of Our Lady's desires and how she wishes them to be carried out. Our Lady spoke: "Unless my children reform their lives, they will suffer great persecution. If man himself will not take upon himself the penance necessary to atone for his sins and those of others, God in His justice will have to send upon him the punishment necessary to atone for his transgressions."

    In August 1957 The Blessed Virgin said; "What am I to do, child of my heart, when my children turn from me? The false peace of this world lures them and in the end will destroy them. They think they have done enough in consecrating themselves to my Immaculate Heart. It is not enough. That which I ask for and is most important many have not given me. What I ask, have asked, and will continue to ask is reformation of life. There must be sanctification from within. I will work my miracles of grace only in those who ask for them and empty their souls of the love and attachment to sin and all that is displeasing to my Son. Souls who cling to sin cannot have their hands free to receive the treasures of grace that I hold out to them."

    The Blessed Virgin Mary has promised that her statue as Our Lady of America once placed in the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception would be a safeguard for our country, and her picture or statue honored in all homes, a safeguard for the family. She also promised that the medal would be a safeguard against evil for those who wear it with great faith and devotion.

    Distinction of Title
    In the course of approving the writings of Sister Mary Ephrem, Monsignor Paul F. Leibold considered the Blessed Virgin Mary under the title, "Our Lady of America" (basically referring to the United States of America), as distinct from her title, "Empress of The Americas" (referring to Our Lady of Guadalupe, as declared by Pope Pius XII in 1945, as having patronage over all the American nations). Our Lady of America (in the singular) focuses primarily on the United States of America as revealed in 1956.

    For more reading on this please refer to this:

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/BISHOPS/burkeolamer.htm
     
  13. QOP

    QOP Guest

    Andy3, I am familiar with OL of America but I don't keep up with what is going on as to why this is being held up. I believe there was some sort of lawsuit going on between two parties. Maybe we should pray for them to knock it off and get the statue in place.

    For those interested in LTTW, there are two more special locutions posted.
     
  14. artist

    artist New Member

    I have been interested to read all the posts so far. It does seem to be crucial to discern whether the LTTW are authentic.

    The criticisms of LTTW I have read so far include: the locutions are unsettling, they read more like a newspaper and seem vague and waffling at times, it is difficult to imagine Jesus and Mary speaking with the voice presented in the locutions, It is more concerned with Current Events than issues of prayer, the Pope's current direction has been commented on as inappropriate with regard to priorities needed in the current world situation, we should be concerned with prayer and not with influencing policy decisions, the attitude to Putin and Russia is in contrast to Vassula from TLIG. The most recent posts about OL of America may indicate that there are many warnings (Fatima, Garibandal, OL of America) but not any adequate response to the Prophetic Word by the Church given the seriousness of the situation.

    I also find the Locutions unsettling in terms of the world situation, but to give a warning of danger is unsettling (Jeremiah was not too popular in his time).

    The Locutions sometimes seem to pre-empt events as in the Egyptian Revolution and the election of the Pope, but often do not seem to go far ahead of events you can read in the Newspaper. Could this be because humankind and the Church are intimately involved in the decision about what the future will be by their actions and choices now?

    The Pope has been presented as having a high calling on his life, but also that He needs to draw aside from the many voices around him and determine the priorities for the Church before God. The faithful fulfilling the request of The First Five Saturdays was presented in the Locutions as a way for the Pope to be upheld in his mission to fulfil the request of Our Lady of Fatima, by orchestrating a worldwide consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    The Locutions have a very negative spin on Putin whereas Vassula of TLIG has recently posted a positive quote from Putin about Europe deserting her Christian roots and suffering the consequences. To understand Russia and indeed the Russian Orthodox Church it would be important to know that KGB is still alive and well under the name of FSB, most of the members of the current Duma are "ex"-KGB , Putin was not elected and has been a star of the KGB, Stalin arrested 108,000 Russian Orthodox Priests of whom 100,000 were shot and 8,000 were returned as KGB, leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church are put forward for election by the Government and must be FSB (KGB), dissidents are still murdered ( most publicly, the man who wrote a book on Putin's Domestic Policy was poisoned by Plutonium and died in a British hospital only a year or two ago, all attempts to extradite his murderer have fallen on deaf ears in Russia). I think Putin's references to Europe's Christian Heritage are pure deception given the above. Anti-semitism is also openly expressed in the Duma without apology. I always wondered why Our Lady requested Russia to be consecrated to Her Immaculate Heart when it seemed that Russia had its own Church,but after reading "Disinformation" by Former Romanian Spy Chief, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa and Prof. Ronald Rychlak I can see the need for the conversion of the heart of Russia. According to Pacepa and Rychlak, deception is the prime vehicle Russia uses to manipulate the past and to make the future and both these Authors are in a good place to know.

    I think the main thrust of the Locutions is that Fatima should be acted upon obediently and urgently by the Pope and the Church and since its validity has been attested to by both outstanding miracles and by the Church, obedient action is required. The future events themselves do not have to happen, but it is already evident from Current Events that mankind is in a dark corner.
    I don't think the validity of the Locutions is the question given the plethora of other Prophetic words to the Church which have yet to be obeyed and the obvious need for God's intervention in the World today. Also, the facts speak for themselves. Perhaps we all need to draw near to God with our hearts and lives and not just with our words and true discernment would be given to us.
     
  15. QOP

    QOP Guest

    Excellent post, Artist.

    I will give you my personal opinion in a nutshell. I don't believe Putin is well intended, given the way he lives his life - divorcing his wife and having a mistress. I believe this new Christian morality he is touting has more to do with image and the people in the Muslim world he has aligned himself with. A KGB tactic. I suspect he opposes abortion because of Russia's diminishing population. That said, I don't trust or believe the leader of my own country. I only see two evils combatting the other.

    I believe if LTTW are legitimate it is a wake up call for the politically and spiritually confused. We all know that prayer is the only way out of this morass. We all know that prayer can change the course of history.

    So, let us pray.
     
  16. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    Very thoughtful and insightful post Artist. I think you are spot on in your detailed assessment of the real Putin and his real intentions. If not for a free press in the US, Obama would be able to pull off the same deceit as Putin. Putin kills anyone in the Russian press who in anyway opposes his will. There are those, even on this forum, who are fooled by his pseudo conversion and smoke and screen staged events he puts on. His mask is being pulled off as we speak and soon everyone will see his true face.
     
  17. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    Thanks for posting this Andy. It is a good reminder of our Lady's love for America. I made a visit to this shrine several years ago. It is truly a beautiful Church in the heart of a very rough area of DC. The JPII culture center was built just across the road from the Church and was nearly opened, but I was a few weeks early from touring that place.
     
  18. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    I would not go so far as to canonize Ronald Reagan, but he was the best president in my life time with no one coming even close to him. His best all time quote was "government is not the answer, it is the problem".
     
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  19. QOP

    QOP Guest

    Fatima, we don't have a free press. Sharyl Attkisson had to resign from CBS because they would not run her stories. Right now we have a free internet but they are working hard to curb that too.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-c...ity-face-regulation-like-pacs/article/2548163
     
  20. Fatima

    Fatima Guest

    I did not mean that all our avenue's of media are considered freedom of the press. We obviously know that ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS CNBC etc... are all controlled by pro-Obama media. However, there is still Fox News and talk radio that are the alternative news sources that will give the opposing view. Russia does not have a Fox News in their country.
     

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