Countdown to the Kingdom

Not sure I can help your confusion. One has to want to understand. Jesus coming in the very near future is an His intermediate coming in glory, not his coming to judge the living and the dead at the end of the world. His intermediate coming will bring forth a whole new glory in His Eucharistic reign, the fulfillment of the Lords Prayer that Jesus taught us to pray, "thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". The era of peace promised by our Lady of Fatima and Revelations 20. I am not sure why I am saying this again and again to explain this, as it is apparent some do not want to hear, so they make up their own concoction of a story to try and discredit those who have clearly understood and are doing their job in explaining. But most are to busy trying to discredit what they refuse to understand, in lieu of praying for discernment to understand. The prophets of our time are very unanimous on what they are saying. Some with more specificity from God then others, but all in harmony, which those on CDTTK call out as prophetic consensus.

 

I agree, I thought that timeline was odd. The 3 days of darkness and Era of peace after the Antichrist?? The teaching always was that the Antichrist would appear shortly before the Second Coming.

 

I agree with you on this comment, non sum dignus:

“I think the timeline was constructed to reconcile prophesies of many "seers".....”.

 

Christy, you make a lot of solid points for which I thank you. But, of all of them, I find the following to be pure gold and in need of highlighting for how true it is:

“God would never send a message, without giving His Church time to review/spread it...”

 

-I truly am trying to understand. I don't think anyone has adequately addressed the idea of the antichrist not coming shortly before the 2nd coming. If you could point to a saint's writings, official Church teaching etc. which supports this idea. I am open.

-I would have to suggest The City Of God by St. Augustine to those who see the thousand years in Revelations 20 referring to a future age of the Church. He dismissed this interpretation as a "ridiculous fable". He explains that it is rather a figure for the life of the Church in the present. And I do not ever recall Our Lady at Fatima saying the era of peace is equivalent to Rev 20.

-"prophetic consensus" ...I could probably name a hundred direct contradictions between unapproved Catholic "prophets". Even if they all agreed (which they don't), it doesn't mean they are correct. Truth is not determined by consensus.

I am not here to win an argument, and I have been wrong too many times to count. But I just hate the thought of people being lead astray. I am not saying this is what is happening, but we are all called to discern and not simply accept anything that looks like it may contradict Church teaching, no matter how well presented.

 

Good point:

“-‘prophetic consensus’ ...I could probably name a hundred direct contradictions between unapproved Catholic "prophets". Even if they all agreed (which they don't), it doesn't mean they are correct.”

 

Thanks Julia. I have read all the messages of Fr Michel from Parts 1 to 17, but I could not find that particular screenshot sent to me. On Part 17, after the February 26, 2020 message, the next message was already dated March 26, 2020. So the message from that screenshot was skipped as it was dated March 21, 2020. I guess the Countdown administrators deleted it as the message may scare the faithful. It's understandable.

 

Or eradicated.

 

Exactly.

 

I trust you are sincere about wanting to understand the 'middle coming' and the second coming of Jesus at the end of human history to judge the living and the dead. This is not new talk, as some may suggest. It was being discussed by the early church fathers. No one that I know of has done more research into this than Mark Mallett. Now I know his very name draws claws on this site, but rather then those who would dismiss what he has written in these areas, if one is sincere, they will discern based on what the Church has given us to discern. What I am providing is just a sample of what he has written over the years from his learning. To each his/her own. There is simply to much on this to post it all, but following is a snippet for those who truly want to learn.

https://www.markmallett.com/blog/the-middle-coming/

And thus, in such union, the Church Fathers foresaw that this era would also be “a rest” when the People of God, having labored six days (ie. “six thousand years”) will rest on the seventh day, a kind of “sabbath” for the Church.

Because this [middle] coming lies between the other two, it is like a road on which we travel from the first coming to the last. In the first, Christ was our redemption; in the last, he will appear as our life; in this middle coming, he is our rest and consolation.…. In his first coming Our Lord came in our flesh and in our weakness; in this middle coming he comes in spirit and power; in the final coming he will be seen in glory and majesty… —St. Bernard, Liturgy of the Hours, Vol I, p. 169

Bernard’s theology is consonant with the Early Church Fathers who foretold that this rest would come after the death of the “lawless one” ushering in…

…the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day… These are to take place in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day… the true Sabbath of the righteous. —St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Church Father (140–202 A.D.); Adversus Haereses, Irenaeus of Lyons, V.33.3.4, The Fathers of the Church, CIMA Publishing Co.


…the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day… These are to take place in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day… the true Sabbath of the righteous. —St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Church Father (140–202 A.D.); Adversus Haereses, Irenaeus of Lyons, V.33.3.4, The Fathers of the Church, CIMA Publishing Co.

…when His Son will come and destroy the time of the lawless one and judge the godless, and change the sun and the moon and the stars—then He shall indeed rest on the seventh day… after giving rest to all things, I will make the beginning of the eighth day, that is, the beginning of another world. —Letter of Barnabas (70-79 A.D.), written by a second century Apostolic Father

Pope Benedict affirms this renewal and grace in terms of a “middle coming” of Jesus:

Whereas people had previously spoken only of a twofold coming of Christ—once in Bethlehem and again at the end of time—Saint Bernard of Clairvaux spoke of an adventus medius, an intermediate coming, thanks to which he periodically renews His intervention in history. I believe that Bernard’s distinction strikes just the right note… —POPE BENEDICT XVI, Light of the World, p.182-183, A Conversation With Peter Seewald

The right note is that this “intermediate coming,” says Bernard, “is a hidden one; in it only the elect see the Lord within their own selves, and they are saved.” [15]

Why not ask him to send us new witnesses of his presence today, in whom he himself will come to us? And this prayer, while it is not directly focused on the end of the world, is nevertheless a real prayer for his coming; it contains the full breadth of the prayer that he himself taught us: “Your kingdom come!” Come, Lord Jesus! —POPE BENEDICT XVI, Jesus of Nazareth, Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, p. 292, Ignatius Press

The following information brings a whole new understanding to the Second Coming
THE CHRONOLOGY OF THE DECEIVER
Very good read for anyone sincere about understanding the second coming a the end of human history https://www.markmallett.com/blog/antichrist-in-our-times/

 

St. Bernard certainly wasn’t talking about the middle coming in the way that Mark and company like to present it. Reading it in context - instead of cherry picking sections to fit one’s theory - it is abundantly clear. St. Bernard is saying that the middle coming is now:


The Three Comings of the Lord

We know that there are three comings of the Lord. The third lies between the other two. It is invisible, while the other two are visible. In the first coming he was seen on earth, dwelling among men; he himself testifies that they saw him and hated him. In the final coming all flesh will see the salvation of our God, and they will look on him whom they pierced. The intermediate coming is a hidden one; in it only the elect see the Lord within their own selves, and they are saved. In his first coming our Lord came in our flesh and in our weakness; in this middle coming he comes in spirit and in power; in the final coming he will be seen in glory and majesty.

In case someone should think that what we say about this middle coming is sheer invention, listen to what our Lord himself ways: If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him. There is another passage of Scripture which reads: He who fears God will do good, but something further has been said about the one who loves, that is, that he will keep God's word. Where is God's word to be kept? Obviously in the heart, as the prophet says: I have hidden your words in my heart, so that I may not sin against you.

Keep God's word in this way. Let it enter into your very being, let it take possession of your desires and your whole way of life. Feed on goodness, and your soul will delight in its richness. Remember to eat your bread, or your heart will wither away. Fill your soul with richness and strength.

Because this coming lies between the other two, it is like a road on which we travel from the first coming to the last. In the first, Christ was our redemption; in the last, he will appear as our life; in this middle coming, he is our rest and consolation.

If you keep the word of God in this way, it will also keep you. The Son with the Father will come to you. The great Prophet who will build the new Jerusalem will come, the one who makes all things new. This coming will fulfill what is written: As we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, we shall also bear the likeness of the heavenly man. Just as Adam's sin spread through all mankind and took hold of all, so Christ, who created and redeemed all, will glorify all, once he takes possession of all.

 

Pope Benedict as well is quoted out of context by Mark and his followers, Benedict was also referring to now being the middle coming:

Jesus of Nazareth, Part Two: Holy Week From the Entrance Into Jerusalem to the Resurrection

“The “middle coming” takes place in a great variety of ways. The Lord comes through his word; he comes through the sacraments, especially in the Most Holy Eucharist: he comes into my life through words or events.”

Clearly - very clearly in fact - Mark is taking Pope Benedict out of context to fit his theory.

 

As for the Church Fathers, there is a reason why what Fatima has posted Has a gap from around Augustine to the so called “prophets” that he claims - and it is this: There has been near unanimous thinking since then (And most Church Fathers taught against Mark’s theory).

Taylor Marshall does a great job presenting the information. It’s worth a listen to if one truly wants to find out what the Fathers taught.

 

I sometimes wonder, this drive to find a "prophetic consensus." So many of these messages, they have the same themes, draw from the same sources, use even the same words!

Does Our Lord/Our Lady come to us to tell us the obvious, or to tell us something we cannot realize/understand by ourselves? For example, Rwanda, it was unexpected, that there would be "rivers of blood" coming to the people! Fatima singled out Russia, as cause of future crisis--no one expected that! When Medjugorje started, there was a message, of the need for peace between people of different religions. But, Yugoslavia was peaceful at that time, with no sectarian violence, intermarriage was increasing, etc. It was not expected. Not something everyone could see! (The Vatican commission, seems to say the early apparitions appear genuine, which is why I mention them.)

But, with many of the "Countdown" prophets, well, what they are saying is an extension of things discussed for a long time. And, if they "echo" each other, is there not a concern there is an "echo chamber" for some/many of them?

 

As it was in the days of Sodom, so shall it be when the Son of Man returns in his glory. They all could not discern 4000 years ago, as they mocked God's prophet Noah and it is that way today with His messengers. More events will come and must come to shake the Church and the world. No one wants to hear prophets who are speaking of catastrophic events upon the horizon. Each person will have to believe as they wish. Myself included. I know what the Spirit is telling me and we won't have long now to see it all unfold more rapidly then anyone could believe possible. Mankind is not changing. Churches are still closed and others only 1/8 full now. God has always sent His prophets to forewarn, but as our Lord said, it will be the same again today as it was then. Yes, discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit and most cannot realize/understand themselves. Today, their pastors are of no assistance either, as they are as clueless to God's prophets as the rest of the world, which is why God must and is cleaning house as we speak. The era of mercy is nearing its end. It has been given.

 

Copied from Julia's post.

Why would they take it down?
To not scare people? Yet he talks of nuclear missiles hitting the USA, so that is unlikely.

 

If we pretend for a moment to never have read one private revelation even approved ones and simple looked with faith at the state of the world and what has transpired these last 20 years it would be hard to argue something major is happening. It does appear that soon all good, faithful ,God fearing people will be persecuted, suppressed, imprisoned and even killed in the not to distance future. Seems even the power of the Holy Spirit within us all would be challenged to maintain in us the power of hope over despair. Without God allowing prophetic voices how easy it would it be for many of us to believe that the dominance of satan and his minions would/could last decades or even centuries? Even till the end of the world?

Yes, it's unlikely all the current seers cited by CTTK are truly hearing Jesus or Mary but it's even more unlikely that none of them are. To me it's always best to take a big picture view, don't get too caught up in one message or one seer. Thankfully, we are blessed with some great Catholics helping discern these voices. It doesn't mean that all are authentic but it is also foolish (IMO) to read some people seemingly wanting to throw everything these 4 good people do in the trash because one seer may not be.

What most if not all of these seers say is pretty basic stuff....that major changes are imminent, but also constantly remind us to stay faithful to Christ, stay with the true Church, follow Mary who will help lead/protect us through any storm and stay hopeful that things won't last forever. We can't forget that any of us could be called home tomorrow and if this is actually the start of the real tribulation that many of us won't see the era of peace by God's merciful choosing. Many certainly will be called to though.

Modern prophetic voices is a small piece of the puzzle of our faith, some benefit from and others don't.

 

To be honest, Frodo, Marshall Taylor, in Episode 93 above, and Episode 92, here, concurs 99% with the Catechism. The beast and false prophet of the earlier chapters are portrayed as political and spiritual systems (i.e. Rome) that waged "war" against God's sovereign plans up through the destruction of Jerusalem. But Christ and his Church will prevail in spite of intense persecution and through the Gospel imperfectly spread the Kingdom to the end of the earth. He does concur with the rising of Magog and Gog at the end of history to assault the Church one last time, but Taylor does not associate satan's final assault with the beast and false prophet. I say 99% concurrence because Taylor does imply the slim possibility of a period of peace concurring with a Church Triumphant between the two Trials but that is an offshoot of the post-Millennial position which the Church does not support.

Certainly, domination in our time by a Spirit of AntiChrist is obviously possible, but I think Taylor would see that as somehow a precursor to Gog and Magog. Though he does not mention it in this study, Taylor does believe in the rise of the Great Monarch before the Gog and Magog conflict.



Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!

 

But if the Beast and False Prophet are in the past, I'm surprised that Taylor Marshall didn't tie the Man of Lawlessness in with Gog and Magog. That puzzles me. Do you have any suggestions, Frodo?

Safe in the Barque of Peter!

 

Hi Mario.

My postings today was to mainly counter certain false notions, namely:

1) The Church Fathers believed in the thousand year reign (which Taylor does an excellent job documenting that it was not the case and the official Church teaching is as such).

2) St. Bernard spoke of a middle coming which is similar to Mark’s notion - and a reading of his full writings on that topic (also posted) precludes that possibility.

3) That Pope Benedict also writes in favor of Mark’s notion - which again is disproven when reading the whole of Pope Benedict’s works (and I left but one documented proof of this from Benedict’s writings).

As for your question, ifI had to guess I’d say Taylor would say that just as typology was used in the Old Testament scriptures to point towards Christ, Our Lady, etc., that the same could be said in the book of Revelations (having multiple meanings) - but I’m certainly not going to speak for Taylor Marshall. He is capable of answering that for himself, maybe you can ask him and post his reply for us?