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  1. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    Here's some very helpful history...

    DOES THE CHURCH FORBID CREMATION?
    Father William Saunders

    Recently some friends discussed after death cremation and burial in a coffin. Consensus leaned toward cremation, but with reservation and uncertainty. We need to hear more about the Catholic Church's position on this matter.—A reader in Arlington.
    While cremation is definitely becoming more and more popular, it is actually something new to Catholic tradition. The early Church retained the Jewish practice of bodily burial and rejected the common pagan Roman practice of cremation. The basis for this rule was simply that God has created each person in His image and likeness (Gn 3:19). Moreover, our Lord Himself was buried in the tomb and then rose again in glory on Easter. Therefore, Christians buried their dead both out of respect for the body and in anticipation of the resurrection at the Last Judgment. St. Paul reminds us, "the Lord Himself will come down from heaven at the word of command, at the sound of the archangel's voice and God's trumpet; and those who have died in Christ will rise first (1 Thes 4:16).

    The Church's stance against cremation was also reinforced by those who mocked the belief in the resurrection of the body. Many of the early martyrs were burned at the stake and then their persecutors scattered their ashes as a sign of contempt for this Christian belief.

    After the legalization of Christianity in the 4th century, cremation generally ceased in the Roman Empire. As Christian culture continued to spread, even in missionary lands, regular bodily burial became the norm, even in cultures that had once practiced cremation. Due to the religious belief of the people, the civil authorities also outlawed cremation: for example, Charlemagne made cremation a capital offense in 789. The only exception given to this rule was when there may have been a mass death and the spread of disease threatened.

    In the 19th century, cremation again arose in Europe due greatly to the Freemasonry movement and the rationalistic philosophy which denied any notion of the supernatural or spiritual. Many began to view cremation as an acceptable funeral custom. Several reasons prompted the revival: concern for hygiene, the conservation of land and an atheistic bent to make a public display of denying the immortality of the soul, an afterlife and the resurrection of the body. Largely motivated by the latter reason, the Church officially condemned the practice of cremation in 1886.

    The old <Code of Canon Law> (1917) prohibited cremation and required the bodies of the faithful to be buried. Again, an exception was given in times of mass death and the threat of disease. Those individuals who had directed their bodies to be cremated were denied ecclesiastical burial. In 1963, the Church clarified this regulation, prohibiting cremation for anyone who wanted it simply as some testimony against the faith.

    The new <Code of Canon Law> (1983) stipulates, "The Church earnestly recommends that the pious custom of burying the dead be observed; it does not, however, forbid cremation unless it has been chosen for reasons which are contrary to Christian teaching" (No. 1176, 3). Therefore, a person may choose to be cremated if he has the right intention. However, the cremated remains must be treated with respect and should be interred in a grave or columbarium.

    A pastoral problem occurs concerning the funeral Mass itself. The cremated remains can not be present during the vigil or wake service, or during the Mass, since the regular liturgical prayers and actions are designed to honor the body. The body best reminds us of that person who entered a new life at baptism, becoming a "Temple of the Lord," and has now gone, we hope and pray, to the fulfillment of that life and eternal rest. On the other hand, ashes remind us of the corruptibility of the deceased.

    As a priest, I believe that the entire Catholic funeral liturgy—the vigil service, the Mass of Christian Burial and the Final Committal and Burial—offers to us a great reminder of our faith and aids in our healing. The death of someone we love is always hard to face; however, there is something good and comforting when we gather as a faith community in the presence of our Lord and the body of the deceased, and offer that loved one back to God. Unfortunately, on more than one occasion I have dealt with families who have had the deceased loved one cremated, and later regretted the action, even feeling great guilt. I always recommend for people who want to be cremated or want to have their deceased loved one cremated that they do so after the funeral Mass and then inter the remains properly.

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    N.B. After this article was written (1995), an Appendix ("On Cremation, no. 412) was added (1997) to the Order of Christian Funerals, permitting the presence of cremated remains for the full course of funeral rites.

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    Fr. Saunders is president of Notre Dame Institute and associate pastor of Queen of Apostles Parish, both in Alexandria.

    This article appeared in the January 12, 1995 issue of "The Arlington Catholic Herald." Courtesy of the "Arlington Catholic Herald" diocesan newspaper of the Arlington (VA) diocese. For subscription information, call 1-800-377-0511 or write 200 North Glebe Road, Suite 607 Arlington, VA 22203.

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  2. padraig

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    Well In Italy they have been burying people so many thousands of years they no longer allow folks to bury anymore. I visited an Italian cemetery and it is the weirdest thing, they keep the coffins above ground in kinda glass cases.

    Funny this is the Feast Day of St Charbel. St Charbel was a monk in the Lebanon, a hermot and did have a certain reputaion as a saint and miracle worker even before his death. But it was just after he died things took off. A Great Light surrounded his tomb the night after he was bried and went on for several nights thereafter . It drew people from all over the country in their many, many thousands. nlcuding the Great and Powerful. They opned the tomb and his body was incorrupt bathed in a kind of oil which filled his coffin.

    If just occurs to me if they had burnt his body this would never have happened.

     
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  3. padraig

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    Have you ever been at the tomb of an incorrupt saint? I have at several; I always find it very moving.

     
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  4. ComeSoon!

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    There is that real factor....
    I have only been to the tomb of John XXIII persay. Looked rather waxy. OK, also Sts Clare and Francis.
     
  5. padraig

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    St Bernadette is one of the best ones, also Padre Pio. I saw Pope St John's body and started to cry; I have a great deovtion to him.

    ...with St Bernadette they made a mistake, one of the nuns used and abrasive cleaning fluid on her face and burnt it. Such a pity. But they touched it up to fix it.

     
  6. padraig

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    By the way, there is the most gorgoeus huge statue of Our Lady at Harrisa in the Lebanon.



     
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  7. ComeSoon!

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    I had hoped we'd have time to visit St Pio on the pilgrimage I'm hosting. Two weeks doesn't leave much time already having 5 cities (Rome, Assisi, Lanciano, Medjugorje, Lourdes)! I have a devotion to him as well as Faustina, Joseph, Bernadette, JPII; environmentally St Francis.
     
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  8. padraig

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    I stayed at San Giovanni with a husband and wife who work in the monastery. They gave me portions of the wax stamp that sealed his coffin. Wonderful. The brother was a cardiac surgeon in the hospital and gave me the Grand Tour. Wonderful.

    I am a mad fan of Padre Pio.

    I think it has all changed from those days. It was very,very humble back then. I preferred that. Just a humble village then, more like a bustling town now.

     
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  9. SgCatholic

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    The body of Pope John XXIII was embalmed.
    https://www.fisheaters.com/johnxxiiiembalmed.html
     
  10. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Went to see the Vatican some years ago with my wife. The remains of St. Pope John XXIII were on public display. I had a badly bruised, blackened big toe from an injury at work the day or two before. Some hours later, when we returned to our hotel, my toe was perfectly normal. All the pain, and all of the bruising was gone, which certainly wouldn't be the normal course of such processes. It's such a very small incident, I have never really known what, if anything, I should make of it.
     
  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    This is a great book, I have read it several times, I highly recommend it.

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  12. DeGaulle

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    Thanks for the recommendation. The poor man gets a lot of criticism for coming up with the idea of Vatican II, but if it had all been done the way he had intended, I strongly suspect the Church would have remained very much steeped in Her old Traditions.
     
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  13. HeavenlyHosts

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    I vacillate on my opinion of JXXIII. Your posts have helped me. I still have my memories of how cheated I felt when the changes were implemented. Your miraculous toe healing is a considerable factor in helping how I view him. At some point, this diabolical disorientation has happened to all of us. No Catholic is exempt.
    And we still have a lot left, even if it is just what we the remnant have kept.
     
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  14. padraig

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    He did many wonderful and brave things. One of the things he did was to save a shipfull of Jewish children in Turkey from the Nazis during the war. He got the Catholic German Ambassador to forge documents for them. He saved these children personally. I think there were a few hundred of them.

     
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  15. DeGaulle

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    I know I'm going very much off-topic, but we must be very careful in how we assess people. As this is the fiftieth anniversary of Humanae vitae, I decided to look up the membership and voting of the Papal Commission on contraception instituted by Pope Paul VI. I was delighted to find that it appears that our own beloved Archbishop Thomas Morris, from here in Cashel and Emly, voted against liberalisation. Surprisingly, it also appears that one of those who voted for liberalisation was traditionalist Joseph Levebvre. My only qualification is that my information comes from an enemy site, one Gerry Danaher and his 'Campaign for worldwide family planning'. Given recent disclosures in the US, one apparently ought to be very wary of bishops.
     
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  16. DeGaulle

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    One should say that the description 'good' applied to a pope generally ought to be highly redundant.
     
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  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There was a time...
     
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  18. AED

    AED Powers

    Well said HH.
     
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    Good article. Thanks for posting.
     
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

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    Thank you, AED. Sometimes when I post I think I am putting my neck in the guillotine and that I may lose my head soon. :LOL: I just read recently that St. Thomas More wisecracked about his beard being in the way of the blade.
     
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