Divine Will revisited.

Kathy k, Here is the latest post from Jesus to Pelianito (Janet Klasson) posted on May 4th.

To those who are meek and humble of heart, my Father offers the Kingdom of the Divine Will…
Matthew 5:5 “Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.”

“My beloved, if for a time, the proud seem to have the upper hand, do not despair. Know and believe that to those who resemble me in meekness, the Father will give all he has desired to give to all of humanity through me. This is a great gift, unimaginable to mere humans, and even the angels are in awe. To those who are meek and humble of heart, my Father offers the Kingdom of the Divine Will. Those souls who accept this great gift will reign with me in the Kingdom of the Divine will ‘on earth as in heaven.’ The Kingdom of the Divine Will is for the meek—there is no room for pride there, no place for arrogance. Humility becomes the very throne of the Divine Will and all pride and arrogance is banished. Children, seek always to imitate my meekness. Ask and it shall be given to you, for there is no greater desire than mine to see the Kingdom of the Divine Will reigning on earth. Help me, dear children. Learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart.”

O my Jesus, I ask for this great gift, this unimaginable grace, the meekness I need to be an agent of the Divine Will. Blessed Mother, help us, teach us as you taught Jesus. Help us to learn from him true meekness, that the Kingdom of the Divine Will would reign on earth as in heaven. Amen


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This is indeed beautiful Patty!

I've always looked to a number of saints who I consider the most meek of souls to help me understand the future that Our Lord has promised us, and it seems so beautiful!

St Maria Goretti, St Rose of Lima, St Anthony of Padua and St Gerard Magellan are a few who I will be so eager to meet!
It makes ones lot in life easier to bear knowing that in the future, pride, competition and status as we are subjected to here, in this valley of tears, will all fall away! like the dust that it is!

It is so edifying to know that in the new Era we will be united with these Holy Meek souls who have pleased Our Lord so much to merit so high a position.

Jesus meek and humble of Heart make Our hearts like unto thine. Amen

 

Listening to Father Young has been such a blessing to me. Fr. Iannuzi says this spirituality should be taught by a priest, and I see why. Trying to understand this on my own would have been tedious, and I might not have kept it up (of course, the Lord can give instant illumination). Father Young is always tying passages from the Book of Heaven to the Catechism and what the Saints and Doctors of the Church had to say.

 

If you notice, living in the Divine Will is mentioned often by Pelianito and Mark Mallett.

 

Speaking of The Divine Will ... Another Good-One for "These Days":
HeartLight Daily Verse - 7 May
1 Thessalonians 5:16-28
Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
Thoughts on today's verse:
Where does your heart live? That's what these verses are all about. Is there a constant awareness in your life that God is present? Is he the unseen but always present companion in all your ups and downs? Or is God here when it is convenient and gone when things are busy? Joy comes from knowing we are never alone. Prayer is the ongoing conversation we have, Spirit to Spirit, with God. Thanksgiving is the great reminder that we have been blessed no matter what the circumstances may suggest.
Prayer:
Precious and Righteous Father, thank you for being there. Give me a deeper appreciation and a always more profound awareness of your presence today. May my life reflect the joy you have given me by saving me by grace. And may my heart always find its home in you. Through Jesus I pray. Amen.
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GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

My thinking is that our will isn't a flawed gift but original sin has corrupted how it operates, and the same could be said for our appetites, physical bodies and mental activities.
i tend to think of my will as a plain stemmed glass and the sparkling Will of God poured into it mskes it more beautiful than if it had been a cut crystal goblet.

 

For some reason your post and Macs follow on post hurt me. My desire to be as close to the Will of God as is possible isn't some spiritual elitist aspiration. I just want to be as united to God's Will as God wants me to be. A rose or a daisy in God's garden - its whatever spiritual flower He wants me to be.
LITDW isn't a "popular devotion". Hell is monochrome but Heaven will be a rainbow of vastly different saints.
Me trying to emulate Mother Teresa would be an appalling forsaking of my calling. And Louis Martin, St. Thereses's father, was no Padre Pio.
And they all have their critics.

But please, in the words of W.B. Yeats, tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Peace to you my brothers.

 

One thing that i came across is the Celestial Court - where you ask saints to set up court in your soul to keep God company when you forget or are distracted. I tend to have quite a congested court when i remember to do it, and it sounds like you would too!

 

I printed 3x3 pictures of my favorite Saints from the internet and lined them up in a huge frame - still couldn't get all my favorites in there! I think of them as my own personal cloud of witnesses, and every time I look at their faces, joy just bubbles up in my heart.

 

The intention is not to hurt.
This thread was to point out that not all catholics believe LITDW comes from heaven.And that it a dangerous cult.
No one wants to stop you from being united to Gods Will.

Just think looking a little deeper into this devotion, which Apes True Devotion to Mary , Is worth having the conversation.

The Rabbit hole is deep...http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/A Divine Will Conversation.htm

 

Do you know of a single example (I mean, considering the entire 2,000 year history of the Church) of a formally declared Servant of God whose entire life was dedicated to starting a "dangerous cult"?

I'm honestly curious.

Because if not, you're saying that Luisa is the first and only. That's quite a claim. Perhaps you should pray, research, and read more before publicly making it.

 

We can go through this slowly then Daniel.http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/A Divine Will Conversation.htm
And you can show where it is wrong.If you have the courage to deal with the truth .
And please dont continue to point out that I havent prayed ,researched,or read enough . Id rather, instead of judging me, that we deal with the material at hand.

 

I would love to deal with the material at hand.

As I have requested many times to Luisa's detractors on this forum, please give me a specific quote from Luisa's writings that allegedly contradict Church Teaching, as well what specific excerpt from Church Teaching (e.g. an Encyclical, Council Document, Apostolic Constitution, Catechism quote, etc.) they allegedly contradict. Please do not merely show me an opinion of a particular saint that they contradict, please do not merely explain how they contradict your own interpretation of Church teaching, and please do not merely show how some of Luisa's followers understandings/explanations of Luisa's writings contradict Church teaching. I'm just asking for specific, brief quotes from Luisa's writings and the Magisterium.

This is an extremely simple request; one that anyone who is willing to publicly accuse Luisa of heresy should be ready to fulfill at once. I'm no saint, that's for sure, but I at least have enough of the Seventh Gift of the Holy Ghost (Fear of the Lord) to not go publicly accusing anyone (much less a Servant of God) of contradicting Catholic Teaching without being able to present the same at the drop of a hat.

Despite this being my umpteenth time requesting the same, it has never been fulfilled.

I hope that is very telling to anyone perusing this thread looking for the truth.

 

Yes you are

 

I completely accept that neither of ye intended any hurt, and was quite surprised at the hurt i felt.
But sometimes even if someone's close relative is a no-good-wife-beating-addict, there's no point in going on about it.
If Lynn and Kathy are deluded re LITDW then i'll be on the same bus out of town with them. It's their fruits on this forum, rather than any dissertation that attracted me to look at material i already had in my possession.
and at least Luisa doesn't hit you for donations to her memory foam mattress fund!
The peace of Christ and love of God to all seaching for the truth.

 

Daniel,
I do believe many saints have lived in Gods Divine Will in the past and I believe it is a wonderful devotion.

But as I have stated above I find I can't get my head around some of the writings of Lusia! I will take you at your word and just ask you about one thing.

How do you explain Lusia teachings on the 'new revelation' that she has recieved which has never before been communicated to the Church and which has only been lived by three people before Luisa: Adam and Eve (before the Fall) and Mary?

A specific, brief quote from Luisa's writings

1. Jesus to Luisa: "Having sent forth from the bosom of my Creative Power the first two FIATs, I wish to emit the third FIAT, since I cannot contain my Love any longer.This will complete the work that poured forth from Me. Otherwise, the work of Creation as well as Redemption would remain incomplete." [Book of Heaven]


A specific, brief quote from the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church.

No new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord, Jesus Christ (cf. I Tim 6:14, 1 Tit. 2:13)."(Vatican Council II, Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation(Dei Verbum),para. 4.)

Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit."(Vatican Council II, Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation(Dei Verbum),para. 9.)

Christian faith cannot accept 'revelations' that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation (The Catechism of the Catholic Church,# 67.)

 

It's a spiritual insight. Not needed for salvation but interesting for meditation. I can see how Adam and Eve (before the fall) and Mary had something in common. I don't see how that affects the Catholic Church. Even if Jesus said it directly in a dream...it doesn't mean Louisa interpreted what Jesus ment perfectly. The writing are a starting point for our own spirituality. When one is declared a saint the importance is not about the seers vissions or writings...it's about the Saint living a virtuous life. The Catholic Church believes the Saint is a road map to holiness. Louisa gives her road maps through her writing, as did St. John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila. But those writings are created by spiritually enlightened people. For the normal soul to comprehend their spirituality...takes many years of prayer and discernment. With the volumes of writing that Louisa wrote it will take scholars years and years to discern. But that does not negate she was a holy woman. Divine Will is a very profound concept. It makes spiritual sense. But it is not needed for salvation and really is for those striving for perfection and spiritually advanced. Divine Will is nothing new, Louisa is just the Saint that has helped others comprehend/understand the spirituality.

May Gods Will be Done

 

New concept

Corinthians 6:17
But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

John 17:21
that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

 

Thank you, Josephite. This is a legitimate concern that I certainly do not begrudge anyone for having at first.

I deal with it on page 59 and page 70 of my PDF: https://danieloconnor.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/the-crown-and-completion-of-all-sanctity.pdf Fr. Iannuzzi deals with it in much more detail in several of his works.

In a word: Luisa never claims that this is a new *public* revelation. This is a private revelation; but indeed a "revelation" nevertheless.

It is true that there are followers of Luisa who erroneously exalt her writings to the same or greater status as the Deposit of Faith (that is, Public Revelation, which is already complete)... but they are just that - in error - and not actually following the truth of Luisa's writings.

In the quote you presented from Luisa's writings (thank you, again, for fulfilling my request), Our Lord is merely pointing out that the entire work of Redemption would not be complete if the prayer He taught us (Pater Noster) were not fulfilled; namely, the petition "Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven." The Coming of the Kingdom on earth (which Jesus tells Luisa can also be called the "Third Fiat") is not foreign to the Deposit of Faith/Public Revelation (which would mean that Luisa's writings would be claiming to complete that which is already complete unto itself), but rather the Coming of the Kingdom is essential to Public Revelation and is merely expounded upon in Luisa's private revelations. Such is the essence and importance of Private Revelation: to expound upon and make more explicit certain details of Public Revelation when the time is ripe for it (e.g. the Sacred Heart revelations given to St. Margaret Mary expounding upon St. John resting his head upon Our Lord's breast at the Last Supper)

When the Church teaches that Public Revelation itself is complete, that does not imply that all of the things referred to in Public Revelation has already been fulfilled. Far from it, of course! We still await so much that is spoken of in Scripture.

 

A specific, brief quote from Luisa's writings

1. Jesus to Luisa: "Having sent forth from the bosom of my Creative Power the first two FIATs, I wish to emit the third FIAT, since I cannot contain my Love any longer.This will complete the work that poured forth from Me.Otherwise, the work of Creation as well as Redemption would remain incomplete." [Book of Heaven]

EXACTLY. The completion of the Father's Will from the beginning which intention has never changed is to have His Will completely lived in and by His creatures which has up to the time of this coming New Era been separated due to the decision of Adam to separate himself from what was originally intended. Thus the work of Creation must now be fulfilled to its intended perfection. The Redemption gave the permission and ability to deserve such a completion lived by the created, as it opened that possibility, but the desire for all men to complete what is begged for....still....in the prayer Jesus Himself taught us to pray...for that Kingdom to be lived among the creatures here on earth AS in heaven is yet to be established. The work of the Redemption is not static; it continues for its ultimate fulfillment...that no should be lost. And it still must have a FIAT, a cooperation with the Supreme unfathomable Mercy, as Faustina's mission was given to do...and she was one to live partially in the Divine Will as a "living host" as she was referred to. It becomes a fusion of the human will with the Divine Will so that nothing of the human will's tainted attachments is left.

Luisa's mission is to give us the proper understanding of this reality which is to come and be lived. The understanding for us to have in order for such desire and expectation comes through an education as given intentionally through the chosen "little daughter" for this mission by Jesus. We can't gain it on our own via our own attached way of thinking....that will become something of another former era once this Kingdom is established for its own era.

Thus the work of Creation continues until the Father's Will is accomplished and His Kingdom is lived as intended among the created and that work of Redemption continues as well, obviously, until it is completed to fulfill the Father's Will, lived on earth among the creatures AS in heaven....beyond our current understanding. And since that Love of Jesus' cannot be contained any longer, and since the heart of Mary is united with her Son's, the devotion of the Flame of Love of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, for these times, is to have that effect of releasing through her own heart that Love of the Son's Heart which cannot be contained any longer. It is to help in the preparation for this coming Kingdom of the Divine Fiat by blinding Satan now, in part, before he is chained and removed at the acceptable time in order to "effect" as many souls as possible to enter into this New Era.

This is anything but a new revelation for it explains, educates, deepens what is already revealed in scripture. How many people say the Our Father as given to us and yet do not as yet understand the depth of the meaning of the words and what they are actually pleading for? This fuller education and understanding through the Holy Spirit and via this chosen "little daughter of the Divine Will"....(we were also told of the necessity of the Spirit's coming by Christ to help us in these things)....is more necessary than ever now since the time is very short before this Kingdom WILL come and the Will of the Father is to have as many as possible, if not every person, be worthy of or enter into this New Era. And after the Warning there will be more desirous of what is necessary for this preparation for the Era to come.