"Francis has been totally orthodox..can only be faulted by faulty reading"

Well, that lifted my spirits. Given Pope Francis' age, there's a chance I'll live to see a future Pope reiterate Christ's teaching on marriage. He might even issue a video that actually includes a mention of the Blessed Trinity. Don't know whether I'll live long enough to see the rats jumping ship as the Church is persecuted by the secular world for reversing the course set by the merciful and progressive Pope Francis but it would be worth it to once again have a Pope preach the same message to the secularists as he does to the choir.

 

Papal Letter Appearing to Support Communion for Divorced & Remarried Emerges

http://www.onepeterfive.com/papal-l...ort-communion-for-divorced-remarried-emerges/

 

Appearing = Speculation

The forces of Pius X never stops.

Brother al

 

What's wrong with Pius X?

 

If only Pope Francis would stop.
Sad how many have defended this evil .
Faulty reading indeed.
When will you face the truth Br?


Pope: ‘No other interpretation’ of Amoris Laetitia than allowing communion for divorced and remarried
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/p...f-amoris-laetitia-than-allowing-communion-for

 

Not a chance, Dolours. This papacy comes as we are on the cusp of epoch changing events. We don't know God's plans but it seems to me very likely that the Church after Francis will look very different to how it looks now.

Pope Francis is moving the Church forward with 'new possibilities' to use Pope Benedict's words. Francis is being utterly faithful to Jesus and leadinng us to Him with less focus on the 'rule book'. There will not be a return to a past age but a continuing move to follow Jeus with His command to love one another.

 

But the command to love one another is in the 'rule book'. Why not dispense with this also?

Where do you stop?

Love is a very subjective thing.

It means so many different things to different people.

 

Nothing wrong with it, accept its arrogance...arrogance against the Roman Catholic Church and arrogance against our Holy Father. Instead of focussing on there own spirituality...they keep attacking the Catholic Church. That is why we have MAC. I actually like the spirituality of pius x. But their downfall is the constant attacks. If they were just a religious order...aligned with the church. They would have my full respect and i would probably be a member.

But they worry more about attacking the Catholic Church then growing in their spirituality.

May Gods Will be Done

 

I though you were talking about Pope Pius X!

 

To follow Christ means to walk the way of the Cross of self denial and service of others and that means to follow his teachings. It means obedience and following the commands of the Lord in our hearts and minds and in our will.

"If you love me, obey my commandments.

Neo-modernists (those who want to throw out the rule book) conveniently ignore the teachings of Christ are not interested in the real Christ nor in following Him.

They conveniently ignore his teachings when it doesn't suit their agenda.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

To know Christ is to do his will and follow him unconditionally.

Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

 

Note, garabandal, that I referred to less 'focus on the rule book', nothing about not obeying commandments.

We are all called to obey God's Law. That Law was given to Moses as the Ten Commandments. Just as the Jews started piling on thousands of 'precepts' that eventually led to the primary Commandments being obscured, so also, in our day, it is easy to allow Church regulations to obscure God's Commandments of Love. It is that mistake that many 'traditionalists' make and which Pope Francis is trying to teach us about.

 

Well thats just dandy David.

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Before making erroneous assumptions...

Ponder the Headings:

Chapter Eight

ACCOMPANYING, DISCERNING AND INTEGRATING WEAKNESS [291-292] .221
Gradualness in pastoralcare [293-295] .222
The discernment of “irregular” situations [296-300] ………….225
Mitigating factors in pastoral discernment[301-303] ………….232
Rules and discernment [304-306] . . . .235
The logic of pastoral mercy [307-312] . .238

“For this discernment to happen, the following conditions must necessarily be present: humility, discretion and love for the Church and her teaching, in a sincere search for God’s will and a desire to make a more perfect response to it.”

AL 301 “For an adequate understanding of the possibility and need of special discernment in certain “irregular” situations, one thing must always be taken into account, lest anyone think that the demands of the Gospel are in any way being compromised. The Church possesses a solid body of reflection concerning mitigating factors and situations. Hence it is can no longer simply be said that all those in any “irregular” situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace. ”

Just because we don’t know those factors and situations doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I’m sure many examples could be given…just one example….How can we know who is practicing abstinence? These people then in a seemingly ‘irregular’ situation are not committing adultery. “one thing must always be taken into account, lest anyone think that the demands of the Gospel are in any way being compromised….”

The confessor has the duty to straighten out the deformed conscience, for the sake of reforming it; this can take time and therefore require adequate spiritual accompaniment.

“if someone flaunts an objective sin as if it were part of the Christian ideal, or wants to impose something other than what the Church teaches, he or she can in no way presume to teach or preach to others; this is a case of something which separates from the community (cf. Mt 18:17). Such a person needs to listen once more to the Gospel message and its call to conversion. “

Pope Francis
“THE CHURCH REALIZES THAT ANY BREACH OF THE MARRIAGE BOND ‘IS AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD’…SHE CONSTANTLY HOLDS UP THE CALL TO PERFECTION AND ASKS FOR A FULLER RESPONSE TO GOD (AL 291).”

“CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE, AS A REFLECTION OF THE UNION BETWEEN CHRIST AND HIS CHURCH, IS FULLY REALIZED IN THE UNION BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN WHO GIVE THEMSELVES TO EACH OTHER IN A FREE, FAITHFUL AND EXCLUSIVE LOVE, WHO BELONG TO EACH OTHER UNTIL DEATH AND ARE OPEN TO THE TRANSMISSION OF LIFE, AND ARE CONSECRATED BY THE SACRAMENT, WHICH GRANTS THEM THE GRACE TO BECOME A DOMESTIC CHURCH AND A LEAVEN OF NEW LIFE FOR SOCIETY. SOME FORMS OF UNION RADICALLY CONTRADICT THIS IDEAL, WHILE OTHERS REALIZE IT IN AT LEAST A PARTIAL AND ANALOGOUS WAY (AL 292).”

There have been no changes. Just a renewed commitment to pastoral care for those who are convinced in their hearts that their marriage never existed in the first place. And Pope Francis reminds priests and bishops that they are to form consciences not replace them.

 

Regarding the divorced and remarried correspondent Anne Thompson asked Pope Francis….”Does that mean they can receive Communion?”

“Being integrated into the Church does not mean “taking communion”. I know remarried Catholics who go to Church once or twice a year: “I want to receive communion!”, as if communion were a commendation. It is a matter of integration… the doors are all open. But one cannot just say: from now on “they can take communion”. This would also wound the spouses, the couples, because it won’t help them on the path to integration….. He also mentioned that one ” can find communion by visiting people in the hospital, in this or that service…”.

What we need to also remember is that the internal forum can also help those 'remarrieds' who are already receiving Holy Communion believing they are doing nothing wrong. Sadly I know of many.

My own experience...I had to be completely truthful in the external forum, or the whole process would have been pointless and a divorce would have sufficed, because I wouldn’t have been seeking God’s will. It’s the same with those who take the internal route..they have to be completely honest with God….otherwise what would be the point? I’m sure then that those that go down that route must be convinced in their own minds that they have sufficient grounds to believe the marriage was truly null. If they are deluding themselves then a good spiritual director will help them see the truth.

 

Pope Benedict on annulments…”However, the Church has the authority to clarify those conditions which must be fulfilled for a marriage to be considered indissoluble according to the sense of Jesus’ teaching….”

“And, he writes, the ecclesiastical tribunals that should ascertain whether or not a marriage is valid do not always function well. Sometimes the processes “last an excessive amount of time.” In some cases “they conclude with questionable decisions.”In still others “mistakes occur.”……”In these cases, therefore – the pope recognizes –, “it seems that the application of ‘epikeia’ in the internal forum is not automatically excluded,” meaning a decision of conscience:

“Those who were married in the Church for the sake of tradition but were not truly believers, and who later find themselves in a new and invalid marriage and subsequently convert, discover faith and feel excluded from the sacrament, are in a particularly painful situation. This really is a cause of great suffering and when I was prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, I invited various bishops’ conferences and experts to study this problem: a sacrament celebrated without faith. Whether, in fact, a moment of invalidity could be discovered here because the sacrament was found to be lacking a fundamental dimension, I do not dare to say. I personally thought so, but from the discussions we had I realized that it is a highly complex problem and ought to be studied further. But given these people’s painful plight, it must be studied further.”

 

There's every chance, David, that the Holy Spirit will put the ship back on course. No doubt we will see many more "errors of judgement" such a this: http://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.1...priest-in-trouble-for-blessing-lesbian-couple before we get a Pope who will see the error of trying to out-Jesus Jesus and actually stops spreading confusion. That priest claims to have been exercising pastoral care of a couple he had known for a very long time. Their internal forum brought them all the way to a faux marriage conducted at Holy Mass. The priest is sorry now but he's still a priest and the scandal can't be undone. In fairness to him, he was following Cardinal Schonborn's example, except that he went the whole hog whereas the Cardinal confined his "blessing" to St. Valentine's day in the Cathedral. Redefining God's mercy to accommodate and embrace what the Church has always taught to be sinful leads us to a God fashioned in each individual's image and likeness.

 

Its the media who cause confusion. If they reported correctly there would be no confusion. Those, like this priest are reading headlines rather than the words of the Church. Pope Francis has spoken out against same sex marriage. "Here again is the envy of the devil, by which sin entered into the world, that cunningly seeks to destroy the image of God: man and woman who are mandated to grow, multiply and dominate land." What part of this can't you understand?

The priest certainly was in error for ignoring the teachings of the Catholic Church.

 

It seems to be a question of, Is the Eucharist the food of the healthy(repentant) sinner, or is the Eucharist also the medicine for the sick(unrepentant) sinner?

 

...... the Cardinal confined his "blessing" to St. Valentine's day in the Cathedral. ....."

This was on Pope Benedict's 'watch' too. It's a case of the wheat and the chaff growing together. Its been like this for over 2000 years.

 

In our time the heart of the Church is sick.