Tom, first welcome. Remember that all Communism is not just linked to Russia, there's China, N. Korea, Cuba too, and look at the winds of change here in America, God is being pushed out of everything, Government is looking to control everyone ,and the assault on our freedoms. So its not just all about " Putin" its the Communist ideals that are infecting the world. (Look at it manifesting in Spain ,Brazil etc.) . Remember the "Communism" ,is an idea, remove God, replace with Government controlled dependancy , limit freedoms, its all around us,and will be expanding in the near future,in addition to the Russian agression.
Okay, thanks, Glenn. Yes, current ideology is definitely taking a complete anti-Catholic stance such that the worldview/values I grew up in seem unrecognizable. The really odd thing is that Putin last year gave a well-circulated speech in which he attacks the "woke" atheistic ideology regarding gender, sexuality, etc. (removing words like "mother' from language, limiting religious freedom, etc.) and reminds the West that Russia has already experimented and failed miserably attempting to implement it and abandoned it. In an awkward way, his critical speech seemed dead on and well known Catholic apologists used it for affirmation before his military attack. Now it is hard to know what to think of his motives. So Russia's "communism" actually seems closer to Catholicism and the USA more "communistic" in its oppression of the faith, yet according to prophesy, Russia will instigate hostilities. Also, Glenn, could you address this part of my apprehension: The girls said Communism would drive priests and even the pope into hiding and Mass would be difficult to attend due to Communism. I can see this happening eventually if the Church stands its ground on doctrine but it appears impossible that persecutions/hiding would come to pass within the few years left of the Francis pontificate when it has to occur. Also, forces within the hierarchy seem intent on changing 2,000 year doctrines. In that case, with the church accomodating culture, I see no need for hiding. So I don't see how this plays out in this papacy.
All fulfillment of this type of prophesy is conditional upon our response. Thus the minute details (especially) may not be fulfilled exactly as stated by the "seer" For a good explanation of how St Thomas Aquinas (and indeed the Church) views prophesy, Catholic Answers has a good introductory page here... https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/prophecy A question to ponder... Did God lie to Jonah when he said he would destroy Nineveh? Was his prophesy true? A snip from the linked article... "By reason of the object there are three kinds of prophecy according to St. Thomas (Summa, II-II, Q. clxxiv, a. 1): prophecy of denunciation, of foreknowledge, and of predestination. In the first kind God reveals future events according to the order of secondary causes, which may be hindered from taking effect by other causes which would require a miraculous power to prevent, and these may or may not happen, though the prophets do not express it but seem to speak absolutely. Isaias spoke thus when he said to Ezechias: “Take order with thy house, for thou shalt die, and not live” To this kind belongs the prophecy of promise, as that mentioned in I Kings, ii, 30: “I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father should minister in my sight, for ever”, which was not fulfilled. It was a conditional promise made to Heli which was dependent upon other causes which prevented its fulfilment. The second kind, that of foreknowledge, takes place when God reveals future events which depend upon created free will and which He sees present from eternity. They have reference to life and death, to wars and dynasties, to the affairs of Church and State, as well as to the affairs of individual life. The third kind, the prophecy of predestination, takes place when God reveals what He alone will do, and what He sees present in eternity and in His absolute decree. This includes not only the secret of predestination to grace and to glory, but also those things which God has absolutely decreed to do by His own supreme power, and which will infallibly come to pass."
ok sorry can you clarify if its a more recent article and what information did John Henry Westen get at the Vatican about a papal trip if any this year
"All fulfillment of this type of prophesy is conditional upon our response." That involves the chastisement but not the warning or miracle. Specific details (priests hiding, faithful attending secret Masses) were provided by the visionary as prerequisites before the warning. No wriggle room there, IMO.
JHW speaks on a trip this year. MY LATEST INTERVIEW WITH JOHN HENRY WESTEN 1-24-23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyExDsGSrPM
UNTANGLED ROSARIES Another interesting miraculous phenomenon was the returning of rosaries. Now that people started to believe the Blessed Mother was actually appearing at Garabandal, they came in the hundreds, and thousands,they would bring their rosaries and medals to be kissed by her. They were all piled on a table for the girls to offer up to her. Entangled when presented by the girls to be venerated by the Blessed Mother, rosaries, medals, and multitude of objects would incredibly untangle smoothly when being returned to their owners. Even without any pre-established order. The Garabandal visionaries also never errored in returning each object to its proper owner, and never actually had to look for the owner, Mary led them to the owner while gazing upward at her. This story is mentioned in these books “ Garabandal”, by J. Serre, pages 50-54 “She went in haste to the Mountain” Book 1, pages 76-80
In support of Glenn's explanation of Communism and your own response, I post some text which appeared on Mark Mallet's blog (sorry I don't have the exact reference). A couple of my own comments are included in square brackets. It deals with what he sees as the rise of neo-communism in the Church and in secular world: Asked on whether the Synod on Synodality is shaping up to be “an attempt to destroy the Church,” Cardinal Müller flatly stated: Yes, if they will succeed, that will be the end of the Catholic Church. [The synodal process is a] Marxistic form of creating the truth… It’s like the old heresies of Arianism, when Arius thought according to his ideas what God can do and what God cannot do. The human intellect wants to decide what is true and what is wrong… They want to abuse this process for shifting the Catholic Church and not only in another direction, but in the destruction of the Catholic Church. —The World Over, October 6th, 2022; cf. lifesitnews.com ... The eldest daughter of the Church, France, is to this day a landscape indelibly marked by the influence of Christianity. But it has been reduced to moss-covered crosses and empty churches. Nearly the entire Western World has now abandoned their Judeo-Christian roots as Godless leaders move toward a global system of governance that is nothing short of neo-Communism: a twisted blend of capitalism and Marxism that is rapidly rising as an unstoppable “beast.”[6] As such, the judgment of the Church and the West is upon us. [I think here of the Word Economic Forum and its goal to eliminate world poverty. The outcome of this will be that we will own nothing and be happy. In addition, the Sustainable Development Goals, Climate Lockdowns or 15 minute cities, dictatorial vaccine mandates, digital IDs and currencies, ubiquituous population surveillence, the drive towards what could be practically compulsory transhumanism, compelled speech, are all it seems hallmarks of neo-communism] The threat of judgment also concerns us, the Church in Europe, Europe and the West in general… the Lord is also crying out to our ears… “If you do not repent I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.” Light can also be taken away from us and we do well to let this warning ring out with its full seriousness in our hearts, while crying to the Lord: “Help us to repent!” —POPE BENEDICT XVI, Opening Homily, Synod of Bishops, October 2nd, 2005, Rome [A message not too far removed from those of Garabandal]
Very good information. Thanks. Expands and clarifies the term Communism for me. Only thing that concerns me is Muller's comment: "if they will succeed, that will be the end of the Catholic Church." Christ said the gates of hell will not prevail against it. How can he believe such a development possible? Maybe the warning/miracle are the very things that protect it? Interesting.
Well, all I can say is that is not the Catholic church's position on any private revelation. And they have been dealing with private revelation for 2000 years. Yes, the chastisement is said to be conditional by the visionaries. That does not exclude other details also being conditional. I could provide you with a lot of documentation, but I don't want to highjack the thread. The teachings of St. John of the Cross, Vatican documents, statements by Popes etc. etc. There is much room for error, and God also responds if we submit to Our Lady's requests. I will leave you with one example: St. Catherine of Siena seems to have claimed Our Lady appeared to her and denied the Immaculate Conception.
Glenn, didn't Mari Loli mention Russia? Mrs. Christine Bocabeille asked Mari Loli: “If you are not allowed to tell me the exact year [of the Warning], perhaps you could tell me approximately when it will happen.” Mari Loli: “Yes, it will be at that time when the world will most need it.” Christine: “When is that?” Mari Loli: “When Russia will unexpectedly and suddenly overrun and overwhelm a great part of the free world. God does not want this to happen so quickly. In any case the Warning will come when you will see that Holy Mass cannot be celebrated freely anymore; then it will be that the world will most need the intervention of God.”*
Yes but expanding on the obvious of a reference to Russia , it is also an anti-democratic form of government, meant to control its people.
Welcome to the forum, Tom. Concerning the highlight above, I believe the good cardinal is using hyperbole to accent the severity of the crisis. Remember, hyperbole can be a effective tool in gaining attention and getting your point across! Matthew 5:30 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell." 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. The obvious point of Christ is: avoid and resist sin. And the point of the Cardinal is: the Church faces a most serious threat! Safe Under Mary's Mantle!
I have a question regarding the warning/illumination of conscience that I have never heard asked of Conchita. After each individual has the experience, will there be discussion among us about the amazing thing that just occurred? I mean, will people talk to others about it--"Holy Cow, I felt this, did you experience this?, etc) or is it so interior between us and God that we have the experience and then don't talk about it with others, so that no one really knows the whole world had this same experience/warning? Thanks.
Present a question, Tom; if I'm sitting here working on other stuff, you're liable to hear from me! My understanding is that the Warning will be a thorough life review where the Lord Jesus will remind us of not only our actual sins, but also our sins of omission. I believe there will be a lot of weeping. No matter how I've tried to live the Faith, I'm sure my heart will be grieved over my many sins. And since I'm a person whose most fundamental flaw is vanity, a flaw which I define as basing decisions on what others will think, there have been many times when I should have spoken up but didn't. So Jesus will show those unseen failings, too. I'm not going to spill the beans to everyone, but I'm sure I'll share with those close to my heart. Even there, I'll be careful, for this great gift from the Lord will be given primarily to change my life through the marvelous gift of Confession and repentance. Lord have Mercy!
Oh yes indeed, we didn't listen to Fatima and Russia has spread her errors and now we have basically communistic governments ruling our nations.
Yes, but...will it be a world-wide phenomena that EVERYONE will be talking about? Facebook explodes, on every news channel? People tweeting. Everyone acknowledging that something incredible just happened to the world? Is that part of the prophesy? Because if everyone just has a private interior experience after which they may or may not repent, how can we confirm that the Garabandal message of a public warning even took place?
