How awful to be betrayed that way but it is just like our Lord. It looks like a beautiful place even in ruins. I am sure it is holy ground
I have always wondered if it meant the end of time or the end of these Catholic times. And I also ask if PF is Petrus Romanus. I don't think so. I have nothing to base it on....
Just reread Dolours post about Pope Innocent and the anti pope called peter the Roman. Hmmmmm. That might change the dynamic.
AED, This is very interesting, "that anti-Pope Anacletus 11. Anacletus was, indeed, Peter the Roman" from Dolours's post. I missed the meaning here until you pointed it out in your post. If you go back to LittleVoice's last post on this thread she appears to break up the last prophecy of St. Malachy into two parts. IOW, I think that she has Pope Francis as the 112th pope and then Peter the Roman as the 113th pope, who I believe LittleVoice is referring to as the Antichrist. I just noticed that this portion of the prophecy that I copied from Wikipedia places a period after sedebit and LittleVoice has a comma following the period also (?). IMHO, with the comma it makes more sense that it is one last prophecy but LittleVoice has broken it up into two parts and I am not certain if the comma is part of the accurate translation anyway. I just wanted to point out that it is not LittleVoice's opinion that Pope Francis is Peter the Roman in Saint Malachy's prophecy but she does not consider him to be a true pope, I find it confusing to interpret what follows Gloria olivae in Saint Malachy's prophecy and I suppose I prefer to consider all the possible options/guesses about it. I think that Dolours is correct though that the Antichrist will not be a Pope and I don't believe that it is a Catholic idea to believe that he will be. I believe that the Antichrist will be someone who people will incorrectly accept as their messiah, would Christ ever be the Pope? I think that scripture shows this also, because the beast (the Antichrist) will be alive at the same time as the False Prophet. Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet, who wrought signs before him, wherewith he seduced them who received the character of the beast, and who adored his image. These two were cast alive into the pool of fire, burning with brimstone. I think that it is possible that the False Prophet will be the last Pope and he will have all those in the Church honor the false messiah, the Antichrist. Revelation 13:12 And he executed all the power of the former beast in his sight; and he caused the earth, and them that dwell therein, to adore the first beast, whose wound to death was healed. But I don't believe that the Church has given us these details, so this is simple conjecture on my part.
The end of time as we know it....hence, End of the Age? That's my thought, anyway. Also, I don't believe in coincidences, not of this sort. One collaborates and agrees with the other, strong signs. All the more reason to focus on making sure our souls are as ready as we can make ourselves to meet our Lord at the Warning. In discerning similar messages, perhaps we ought to focus less on our literal understanding and more on a bigger picture. I have come to see the reference to Communism as directly relating and no different to Freemasonry. It's just more subtle and less obvious, therefore more acceptable. That's how they been able to infiltrate so many influential facets of our society and world. THAT is EVERYWHERE, including in the Vatican. Clearly far greater events and consequences are at stake than any immediate situation most of us encounter.
View attachment 7343 St. Malachy was GREAT. He imaged whole tragedy of Church in four rows. This is rather an image than an exact prophecy. He sketched the abdication and return of pope Benedict. He predicted also the abdication of pope Francis. Why nobody can it see? Who can see, there are hidden more informations like these. And so few people know the Satan, the opposite of God. God the Humble sends prophets. Satan the Proud sends himself. Every prophet precedes the predicted one. The False Prophet precedes himself, the Antichrist. There are two roles but one person.
LittleVoice, I believe that you picked up on something very interesting and it does make more sense that there is a period after the proposed 112th prophecy of Saint Malachy's. I suppose that you typed a comma by accident after the period in your post and surprisingly Wikipedia has it right. We can also look at the way the proposed 112th and 113th prophecies are formatted, it does appear that there are two distinct prophecies. But the 112th prophecy is very vague in my opinion, "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop]." You believe that the 112th prophecy must point to one pope who won't be a true pope and now you have stated that the 113th prophecy is the return of Pope Benedict, correct? This would be in opposition to what you stated earlier about the 113th prophecy wouldn't it? I'm not certain that I am following you about this, sorry. I think I am going to stick with what I said initially about this, "I am not certain exactly how to interpret that prophecy but maybe the "final persecution of the Holy Roman Church" refers to the entire end of times from the time immediately preceding the Warning until the End and possibly there will be many Peter the Romans as there have been for almost the past 2,000 years." except I think that the last prophecy, the 113th, may refer to the False Prophet, an anti-pope like Anacletus II as you pointed out earlier. I am also going to stick with my other statement, "I really don't think that God would give us a prophecy which points directly to who the Antichrist is or directly to the time of the Antichrist, imho." but I think that God wants us to know that after Saint Malachy's prophecy of the 111th pope we are in the end of times, iow, that we are getting close to "The End" as Saint Malachy refers to it.
It is not about latin language, although the syntax is like shades of color in this image. Until May/June 20XX it has to remain hidden. In March 20XX pope Benedict will return. He is the olive of Revelation and he will complete the testimony of Church according to all prophecies. He is Gloria olivae and remains Gloria olivae. He is the 111th and remains 111th. And don Bosco confirmed the prophecy of st Malachy: The august Queen of Heaven ... shall scatter Her enemies. She shall vest the Venerable Old Man with all his former garments... Iniquity is at an end, sin shall cease, and before two full moons shall have shone in the month of flowers, the Rainbow of Peace shall appear on the earth. The great Minister shall see the Bride of his King clothed in glory. (Therefore his name is Gloria olivae) The 112th (In persecutione) is really bishop clothed in white garments, but not a real pope according to st. Francis and alleged Third Fatima Secret. Petrus Romanus, pope elected after death of Gloria olivae, will be true pope, the Antichrist. Revelation 17: “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads (all popes in history) are (of) seven hills (Rome) on which the woman (Church) sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen (up to year when John had this vision), one is, the other has not yet come; but when he (the last good true pope Benedict) does come, he must remain for only a little while. (And this is for the wise): The beast who once was (as False Prophet), and now is not (because is stopped by the Warning), is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven (because he will become the true pope) and is going to his destruction.
With respect, Littlevoice, that makes absolutely no sense to me. I can't make head or tail of how any "true pope" could be the AC. Also the Vatican with the Pope as head of Christ's Church doesn't sit on any of those "seven hills" of Rome.
I think reading Taylor Marshall's online article would be very helpful. "The Two Beasts in Revelation - What do They Represent?" "Revelations is the story of how the Church overcomes the Roman Empire (the beast of the sea) and becomes the Roman Catholic Church. It is also the story of how the Church overcomes apostate Jerusalem (the beast of the land) and becomes the New Jerusalem. In both instances, the Church overcomes evil through suffering." "The Old and New Testament say that the temple and priesthood of Israel would be demolished and never be physically rebuilt. There is no traceable linage to Aaron or Moses. The sacrifice was done away with just as God told Daniel they would be. Jesus became our priest and offering." Revelations is about the past and was written in A.D. 60's during Nero's reign. Just before the Jewish War that led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in A.D. 70. Epiphanes - the Selucid King, conquered Jerusalem and set up the first abomination desolation by setting up an idol of Jupiter Olympus in the holy place. Daniel's 4 Kingdoms were all the pagan kingdoms. The fourth kingdom was the kingdom of Alexander the Great. In other words, it's history. The only future events explained for the modern times were of the Mass. It's about the history we should learn from, and the Mass we should attend.
LittleVoice, I understand what you mean now, "He is the 111th and remains 111th." I think that Saint Don Bosco's prophecy that you reference could be speaking of Pope Francis also. I see what you are thinking in relation to Pope Benedict and the olive branch representing peace but Pope Benedict has continued to wear a white cassock. So this reference to "former garments" is probably not a literal one but a figurative one having do to with being cleansed of sin after the Warning, imho, which may refer to the thoughts of Pope Francis being readjusted. Pope Benedict may still be alive to witness, "the Bride of his King clothed in glory", so maybe Saint Don Bosco's prophecy refers to both popes. Unfortunately, Pope Saint Pius X had a prophecy about a pope with this name (Joseph) leaving the Vatican and being killed. I suppose that this could still fit into what you have stated but happens later on. After reading Saint Hildegard's prophecies about a period of peace along with other prophecies about this period of time, it does not seem short. Maybe Pope Benedict will live for a long while yet, idk, but I don't see it happening this way. I believe that there will be many "Holy Popes" during a period of peace, at least I pray that there will be. So, you believe that the Antichrist is elected pope and then turns evil. I believe what I stated above about the False Prophet and the Antichrist are alive at the same time and I don't believe that the Antichrist will be a future pope but the False Prophet may be a future pope. In addition, in my opinion Revelation 17 is referring to satan, the devil himself. Revelation 12 tells us that the dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns and 7 crowns, this particular beast is satan, the devil. Revelation 12:9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. So, when Revelation 17 speaks of a beast with seven heads and ten horns, imho, we should refer to Revelation 12. In addition, I think that the following scripture could refer to the fact that satan is a fallen angel, "was, and is not", possibly meaning he was holy and now is not. Revelation 17:8 The beast, which thou sawest, was, and is not, and shall come up out of the bottomless pit, and go into destruction:... And from our Catechism, 391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268 It is definitely satan who is thrown into the bottomless pit, as opposed to the beast (the Antichrist) and the False Prophet who are spoken of in the following verse, Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet, who wrought signs before him, wherewith he seduced them who received the character of the beast, and who adored his image. These two were cast alive into the pool of fire, burning with brimstone. Again, these are my thoughts.
What you say makes a lot of sense but it doesn't explain how the Catechism hasn't relegated all of Revelation to history when it tells us that there will be a final confrontation where man is offered a solution to his problems at the expense of rejecting Truth. Some of Revelation has to be prophetic. I think it important to remind ourselves here that "The Man of Sin" or AC cannot be the devil. That man can be possessed by the devil but Satan, the fallen angel, can only ever be a spirit. Only God had the power to be born of a woman and have two natures.
Yes, agree. But in Revelations there is no mention of Antichrist, just in the Catechism. That's my point. If you erase the history of what Revelations tells, and come up with some future modern events, you lose the meaning of the Catechism's "mystery of iniquity".
7 Heads, mountains, Kings were the 7 Emperors in Rome. 1. Julius Caesar 2. Augustus 3. Tiberius 4. Caligula 5. Nero 666 6. Galba 7. Otho Beast of the Sea - The 5th King Nero's name adds to 666 and who persecuted the Christians for 42 months. Nero is the foreshadow of the future political Antichrist. And the Beast of the Land had 2 horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon - this was the apostate High priesthood and levítical system of sacrifice that does not recognize the sacrifice of Christ. It's the form of Judaism that denies the Messianic claims of King Jesus of Nazareth. And of course the woman clothed in the sun that we know is the Virgin Mary who was Jewish, and is the Church. The New Jerusalem. The new Mass.
I just don't see a Pope as the False Prophet of the future. I may be wrong. But I see a Freemason Beast as the political Antichrist, and a False Prophet whose religion denies Christ is King. That's not Catholicism.
Byron, I stated that these are my thoughts but some things that I stated are the thoughts of many others also. For instance, many people refer to one of the beasts in Revelation 13 as the Antichrist. I think it is very difficult to understand what is meant by all of the beasts spoken of in Revelation 13. This chapter may actually be speaking of three beasts, the dragon (satan/devil), the Antichrist and the False Prophet. But when most people refer to the Antichrist they are referring to the beast that Saint John the Evangelist speaks of in the following verse who is a man, Revelation 13:18 [Full Chapter] Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six. In our Catechism we have the following which refers to the Antichrist as a pseudo-messianism, 675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576 From Merriam-Webster dictionary, Definition of messianism https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/messianism 1 : belief in a messiah as the savior of humankind 2 : religious devotion to an ideal or cause Definition of pseudo https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pseudo : being apparently rather than actually as stated : sham, spurious Therefore, the Antichrist or pseudo-messianism can also be referred to as a false messiah if we put these definitions together and from what Saint John the Evangelist has stated in Revelation 13:18 we know that this beast will be a man. In addition, the following scripture from the new testament also speaks of a man other than Christ who will be accepted as the messiah, John 5:43 I am come in the name of my Father, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive. From the following verse this beast appears to be someone many people admire, this is probably referring to a false messiah - the Antichrist, Revelation 13:4 And they adored the dragon, which gave power to the beast: and they adored the beast, saying: Who is like to the beast? and who shall be able to fight with him? I am not familiar with the writings of Taylor Marshall, have they been approved by the Church? Again, some of these ideas are exclusively my thoughts but most people refer to the beast in Revelation 13:18 as the Antichrist. PS- What's not Catholicism?
And Nero was considered a Messiah. He was adored with statues larger than life all over Rome. The reference of his persecution of saints can be referred to the Jewish people which were God's first holy people- and then to his persecution of Christians like St Peter and St Paul. It's not that difficult to understand. It's the exact history of pagan Rome, apostolate Jerusalem, and the Catholic Church. That's all it is. If we know that history, we can figure out what's coming.
