March on Moscow

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by SteveD, Jun 23, 2023.

  1. EricH

    EricH Archangels

    In that case why demonize Hitler or Stalin or any evil dictator right.
     
  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    When Jesus spoke of Satan as the Prince , the Ruler of this World, He knew exactly what He was talking about.

    Nothing has changed from then to now. One of the best illustrations of this is the behaviour of Intelligence Agencies . I would very, very strongly advise any Catholic to have nothing whatsoever to do with them. They are all wicked by definition. The Church has always frowned very heavily on Secrecy.

    A good example of such recent abominable conduct has been the FBI spying on the Catholic Church .
     
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  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    You've totally lost me.

    But would you not agree that Joe Biden is a very, very, very wicked and evil, indeed Satanic, old man?
     
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  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Nanci Pelosi too.

    She is like something out of a horror movie.

    Like something out of the Adams family. You should just know to look at her. She makes my hair stand on end. Like a Witch out of Walt Disney.
     
  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It's the same here in Ireland. Most of our leaders look like the Walking Dead to me, like Zombies. Full of all kind of wickedness.

    They stink to high heaven of evil.

    I can nearly see worms coming out of their ears.
     
  6. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    Two witnesses have said there were two sets of contrails. So either a shoot down or a missile.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733

    Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash
    23 minutes ago
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    By Frank Gardner, security correspondent, & Robert Greenall

    BBC News

    Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list of a jet which crashed killing all on board, Russia's civil aviation authority has said.

    Earlier, Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone reported that the private plane, which belonged to the 62-year-old, was shot down by air defences.

    Grey Zone posted later on Wednesday that Prigozhin died "as a result of actions of traitors of Russia".

    Prigozhin led a failed mutiny against the Russian armed forces in June.

    The crash comes on the same day that senior Russian general Sergei Surovikin was reportedly sacked as air force chief.

    Gen Surovikin was known to have good relations with Prigozhin and had not been seen in public since the mutiny.

    The aircraft was flying from Moscow to St Petersburg, with seven passengers and three crew.

    It is said to have come down near the village of Kuzhenkino in Tver region, about half-way between Moscow and St Petersburg.

    Grey Zone said local residents heard two bangs before the crash and saw two vapour trails.

    Tass news agency said the plane, an Embraer Legacy belonging to Prigozhin, caught fire on hitting the ground.

    The aircraft had been in the air for less than half an hour, it added.

    Senior Wagner commander Dmitry Utkin was also on the passenger list, aviation officials said.

    An investigation has been launched into the crash and emergency services are searching the scene.

    Another news agency, Ria, said eight bodies had been recovered.

    Grey Zone reported that a second business jet owned by Prigozhin landed safely in the Moscow region.

    The mercenary boss founded Wagner in 2014, and it now has about 25,000 fighters.

    The group has been active in Ukraine, Syria and west Africa, and has gained a reputation for brutality.

    Prigozhin headed the mutiny on 23-24 June, moving his troops from Ukraine, seizing the southern Russian city of Rostov on Don, and threatening to march on Moscow.

    The move came after months of tension with Russian military commanders over the Ukraine conflict.

    The stand-off was settled by a deal which allowed Wagner troops to move to Belarus or join the Russian army.

    Prigozhin himself agreed to relocate to Belarus but has apparently been able to move freely, making public appearances in Russia and releasing a video of him purportedly in Africa.

    [​IMG]Reuters
    Unverified pictures appear to show the plane on fire

    But several Russia watchers have described him as a "dead man walking" since the mutiny.

    President Putin's initial reaction to his challenge to Russia's defence establishment was vitriolic, calling it a betrayal and a stab in the back in a video message on 24 June.

    The deal did not mean he was safe.

    "Revenge", commented CIA director William Burns, "is a dish Putin prefers served cold" - or words to that effect.

    None of this, of course, is proof that Prigozhin and his entourage were deliberately targeted.

    But given the circumstances any claims that his demise, if confirmed, was an accident will see a lot of eyebrows raised.

    US President Joe Biden said he was "not surprised" by news of Prigozhin's possible death.

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  7. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    This is very, very true.
    Darth Vader and butcher Harris and the lot of them give me the heeby jeebys!
     
  8. I remember going to the talk that Obama gave here in Tucson after Gabbie Giffords was shot…Nancy Pelosi was there and, even though I was a long way away from her, she struck me as so stupendously hideous. It was very strange and very sad.
     
  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Jesus spoke of people being whited sepulchres all wonderful on the outside but rotten on the inside.
     
  10. Byron

    Byron Powers

    Prighozin should have known it was a death sentence to listen to Gen Petraeus. This is war.
     
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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The Prighozhin 'mutiny' seemed an act of treason that no country at war could tolerate. In the course of the mutiny, several members of the conventional armed forces were killed. There were many out for his blood. If it was on Putin's orders, what's the difference between this action and Obama's taking out of Bin Laden?
     
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  12. EricH

    EricH Archangels

    This isn't isolated. Everyone of putins political opponents end up randomly poisoned or fall out of windows. Don't be fooled.
     
  13. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    Is this a conspiracy theory or do you have proof?

    I have a conspiracy theory here too - Clinton body count - heard of it?
    Look here - Wikipedia lists some of the alleged victims neatly ;)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_body_count_conspiracy_theory

    or here concerning a specific case
    "Family of Bill Clinton advisor who admitted Jeffrey Epstein into White House seven times has blocked release of files detailing the death scene after he was found hanging from a tree with a shotgun blast at a ranch 30 miles from his home"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ton-block-release-files-relating-suicide.html

    I think a lot is happening in Russia, but I wouldn't pretend that the hypocritical elite in the West is any better.
    In Germany, politicians, journalists and other celebrities who dissent from the mainstream have rarely been murdered (although there have been strange deaths, for example of well-known critics of Corona measures).
    But what happens to almost every prominent person who dissents on Corona/climate or refugee issues is that they get into trouble with their landlord, employer or bank.
     
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  14. EricH

    EricH Archangels

    I won't bother arguing with Putin apologists. He could launch nukes and you'll think it's justified. Truly amazing.
     
  15. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    That's okay, I don't want to go to any trouble either.
    You like to use insinuations and straw man arguments.
    Such discussions would be exhausting to have.
     
  16. EricH

    EricH Archangels

    Actually it's you that bought out the host of straw man arguments but whatever
     
  17. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    Excellent post...
     
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  18. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    Actually, you're so very right Steve..

    Eric, you are new here. So I am not familiar with you or with your style of argument/comment.
    But you seem, to me at least, to select a line or a phrase from people's repsonses - and to focus only on it. Ignoring the general jist of what people are trying to convey. Its almost childlike in its immaturity.
    Steve is right. It is exhausting to have a meaningful discussion with you.
     
  19. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    Exhibit 'A' !
    Nuff said !!
     
  20. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    Exhibit 'B' !
    Definitely nuff said !!
     

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