Pope Francis covered up McCarrick abuse, former US nuncio testifies

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by Frodo, Aug 26, 2018.

  1. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    While I have of course not read the entire document, among the 11 page statement, this portion strikes me.
    "I began the conversation, asking the Pope what he intended to say to me with the words he had addressed to me when I greeted him the previous Friday. And the Pope, in a very different, friendly, almost affectionate tone, said to me: “Yes, the Bishops in the United States must not be ideologized, they must not be right-wing like the Archbishop of Philadelphia, (the Pope did not give me the name of the Archbishop) they must be shepherds; and they must not be left-wing — and he added, raising both arms — and when I say left-wing I mean homosexual.” Of course, the logic of the correlation between being left-wing and being homosexual escaped me, but I added nothing else. Immediately after, the Pope asked me in a deceitful way: “What is Cardinal McCarrick like?” I answered him with complete frankness and, if you want, with great naiveté: “Holy Father, I don’t know if you know Cardinal McCarrick, but if you ask the Congregation for Bishops there is a dossier this thick about him. He corrupted generations of seminarians and priests and Pope Benedict ordered him to withdraw to a life of prayer and penance.” The Pope did not make the slightest comment about those very grave words of mine and did not show any expression of surprise on his face, as if he had already known the matter for some time, and he immediately changed the subject. But then, what was the Pope’s purpose in asking me that question: “What is Cardinal McCarrick like?” He clearly wanted to find out if I was an ally of McCarrick or not. Back in Washington everything became very clear to me, thanks also to a new event that occurred only a few days after my meeting with Pope Francis. When the new Bishop Mark Seitz took possession of the Diocese of El Paso on July 9, 2013, I sent the first Counsellor, Monsignor Jean-François Lantheaume, while I went to Dallas that same day for an international meeting on Bioethics. When he got back, Monsignor Lantheaume told me that in El Paso he had met Cardinal McCarrick who, taking him aside, told him almost the same words that the Pope had said to me in Rome: “the Bishops in the United States must not be ideologized, they must not be right-wing, they must be shepherds….” I was astounded! It was therefore clear that the words of reproach that Pope Francis had addressed to me on June 21, 2013 had been put into his mouth the day before by Cardinal McCarrick. Also the Pope’s mention “not like the Archbishop of Philadelphia” could be traced to McCarrick, because there had been a strong disagreement between the two of them about the admission to Communion of pro-abortion politicians. In his communication to the bishops, McCarrick had manipulated a letter of then-Cardinal Ratzinger who prohibited giving them Communion. Indeed, I also knew how certain Cardinals such as Mahony, Levada and Wuerl, were closely linked to McCarrick; they had opposed the most recent appointments made by Pope Benedict, for important posts such as Philadelphia, Baltimore, Denver and San Francisco."
    https://assets.documentcloud.org/do...ONYXCMVX-XENGLISH-CORRECTED-FINAL-VERSION.pdf

    My suspicion is this will get far bigger and uglier, a real purging....another reminder for us to not lose our focus...the Warning/Miracle/Permanent Sign are coming people. Focus on being the most faithful Bride we can.
     
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  2. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    7 Reasons Why I Believe Archbishop Vigano’s Accusations To Be Credible [Updated]
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    THOMAS PETERS ON AUGUST 27, 2018

    Make no mistake, we are living through a historic moment in the Church’s life.

    I was deeply disturbed when I read the 11-page letter of the former Nuncio to the US, Archbishop Carlo Vigano, in which he accuses Pope Francis and dozens of cardinals and bishops of having knowledge of the credible accusations and settlements resulting from the sexual abuses perpetrated by Theodore McCarrick.

    Please read the entire letter if you have not.

    If Abp. Vigano’s accusations against the pope and the cardinals he names are true, the proper response from the universal Church is outrage and the only responsible thing for the pope and guilty cardinals to do is resign.

    I think the next steps here are simple: the claims made in the letter must be thoroughly investigated both by the secular and Catholic press and by competent ecclesiastical authorities (if, ahem, any have the fortitude to do so).

    Already Bishop Joseph Strickland has instructed his priests this Sunday to read a letter from him saying he believes Abp. Vigano’s allegations are “credible” and calls for a “thorough investigation” into them. More bishops need to come forward and demand a full investigation into the facts and say what they know out loud, in public.

    There is now a coordinated counter-effort underfoot to discredit Abp. Vigano and his accusations, both by progressive Catholics and the mainstream media (led, of course, by the New York Times). They are attempting to discredit the letter primarily by attacking Abp. Vigano.

    Other, more objective people are asking legitimate questions that leave room for doubt when it comes to some of the specific timelines and facts that Abp. Vigano asserts.

    Before I go any further, one important point: I don’t care who turns out to be guilty. Now, of course, I will be devastated to find out that bishops, cardinals, popes etc. that I thought were good men turn out to be fallen men, terrible men, evil men.

    But no one is above the law of God.

    Even if it turns out Pope Benedict is guilty, I will and must accept that truth.

    Journalists, in particular Catholic journalists, have a responsibility to pursue this story wherever it leads, in an unbiased manor. Again, history will judge them by their deeds. And not reporting what you know to be true can be a sin of omission as well.

    So, as a commentator, here are my reasons for believing Abp. Vigano’s accusations are credible:

    1. Abp. Vigano would have to be a mad man to fabricate all of this — maybe he is. But he is either crazy or telling the truth. Either the bulk of what he said is true, and he has to know that investigations will corroborate what he says, or he has to know investigations will contradict what he alleges, and if that turns out to be the case then … what’s the point? This will be the end of his career and he will rightfully be punished.
    2. Critics have asked, “Why did Abp. Vigano wait now to come forward?” Well, obviously, the crisis is now. Pope Francis’ statement in reaction to the twin stories of McCarrick’s abuse and the Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report has been to say nothing about the particular guilt of bishops. The pope has kept Cdl. Wuerl in his position, and has reportedly said he plans no further particular actions in response to the current crisis. It’s business as usual at the Vatican. If Abp. Vigano was waiting to see if Rome would act, he must have concluded it wouldn’t without someone speaking out as he has chosen to do.
    3. Critics point out that Abp. Vigano may be guilty or complicit in the cover up of abuse. That may be true too! Unfortunately the people with the most knowledge of the cover up and system of corruption are most likely part of it, to some degree. This doesn’t mean they should stay silent. Quite the opposite! Still, Abp. Vigano’s statement would carry more weight if he would have also pointed the finger at himself – but who knows, he could be innocent. Again, him releasing this letter puts more attention on himself and his past actions. If he has something to hide, it counts in favor of the letter’s authenticity that he would nevertheless publish it despite the fact that he may be implicated and face punishment himself as a direct consequence.
    4. His explanation provides the simplest explanation for how McCarrick, despite his widespread deviant, predatory behavior and multiple settlements, continued to have a public life in the Church — up to and including frequent encounters with seminarians (he was allowed to retire to a seminary, for heaven’s sake!). Simply put, it’s extremely unlikely that no one knew this whole time, and that ultimately the cover up was not only extended to the Vatican but emanated from it.
    5. Pope Francis’ non-denial denial statement on the flight back from Ireland almost confirms the veracity of some of Abp. Vigano’s accusations for the simple fact that if it was all or mostly untrue, why not just say that?
    6. The most valid criticism of Abp. Vigano’s letter is that it is well-known and well-documented that McCarrick continued to enjoy a public life in the church after the claimed sanctions of Pope Benedict were issued – up to and including Abp. Vigano concelebrating Mass with (among others) McCarrick and McCarrick greeting Pope Benedict at his last audience after he had announced his attention to resign. However, Abp. Vigano’s letter clearly states that Pope Benedict’s top lieutenants, including Cdls. Levada, Sodano and Bertone were part of the cover-up, and were not only filtering the information they passed on to him, but actively undermining him in other ways. Second, it’s no surprise that McCarrick would flout the sanctions imposed on him by Pope Benedict if he felt he had adequate protection from the cabal. Third, it would be no surprise if Abp. Vigano, aware of what was going on but outranked and with no place to go, would smile and go along with the lie everyone else at the time was living. Finally, the appearance of McCarrick in Rome might for Pope Benedict been yet a final reminder that his sentences were being flouted and he was no longer capable of holding his office. We just won’t know for sure until every avenue is pursued.
    7. Today Monsignor Jean-Francois Lantheaume, the former first counsellor at the apostolic nunciature in Washington D.C., told CNA that the former nuncio, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, told “the truth” in his letter, but “that’s all” he’ll say. The pressure these men must be under is incredible.
    In the days, weeks and months ahead, we must continue praying and fasting for our Church.

    And if you are a bishop, what you say or don’t say, do or don’t do, is something you will have to account for before the face of God.

    Because only the truth will set us free.

    May Jesus have mercy on us all.

    https://www.catholicvote.org/why-i-believe-archbishop-viganos-accusations-to-be-credible/
     
  3. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    1. His explanation provides the simplest explanation for how McCarrick, despite his widespread deviant, predatory behavior and multiple settlements, continued to have a public life in the Church — up to and including frequent encounters with seminarians (he was allowed to retire to a seminary, for heaven’s sake!). Simply put, it’s extremely unlikely that no one knew this whole time, and that ultimately the cover up was not only extended to the Vatican but emanated from it.
    2. Pope Francis’ non-denial denial statement on the flight back from Ireland almost confirms the veracity of some of Abp. Vigano’s accusations for the simple fact that if it was all or mostly untrue, why not just say that?
    Ockham´s razor:

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  4. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    My first thought when glancing through his Testimony was, this man clearly has access to extensive minute documentation and was driven/inspired to USE it. It appears a great example of, 'if you silence them these stone will not keep quiet.'

    I used single quotes as I know this is not a direct quote from the Gospels, it is those close to the right wording.
     
  5. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    This is probably the most important point in this entire thread. Obviously BXVI did NOT resign of his own free will, but was forced to by the Lavender Mafia.
     
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  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    You said it. Not only stem cell research, but now the FDA is approving buying aborted fetal parts for research with our tax dollars! They are using aborted human fetal body parts in MICE!
     
  7. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    To explain why McCarrick was seen publicly while sanctions were on him, one only needs to see what happened last year. McCarrick was told by Wuerl not to appear in public anymore because of new investigations in New York. Guess what McCarrick did? He couldn't care less.

    McCarrick knew his gravitas within the Church, his connections to funding and other Church operations made him a key player, and he took advantage of it - the Church does not have a police corp after all, and accusations had never been proven in court, and the Pope also has a duty not to create scandal for the faithful.

    That said the MSM did echo the Pope Benedect's harsh treatment of McCarrick, check this out, it is really revealing:

    Cardinal Theodore McCarrick Is Working Harder Than Ever
    06/17/2014 03:30 pm ET Updated Jun 17, 2014
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/17/cardinal-theodore-mccarrick-recovery_n_5500631.html


    WASHINGTON (RNS) The day before a newly elected Pope Francis was to be formally installed at the Vatican in 2013, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was celebrating Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica when he passed out at the altar and had to be rushed to the hospital.

    It was a scary moment, and especially odd to see McCarrick stricken; even at 82, the energetic former archbishop of Washington always had a reputation as one of the most peripatetic churchmen in the Catholic hierarchy.

    Doctors in Rome quickly diagnosed a heart problem — McCarrick would eventually get a pacemaker — and the cardinal was soon back at his guest room in the U.S. seminary in Rome when the phone rang. It was Francis. The two men had known each other for years, back when the Argentine pope was Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos Aires. McCarrick assured Francis that he was doing fine.

    “I guess the Lord isn’t done with me yet,” he told the pope.

    “Or the devil doesn’t have your accommodations ready!” Francis shot back with a laugh.

    McCarrick loves to tell that story, because he loves to tell good stories and because he has a sense of humor as keen as the pope’s. But the exchange also says a lot about the improbable renaissance that McCarrick is enjoying as he prepares to celebrate his 84th birthday in July.

    McCarrick is one of a number of senior churchmen who were more or less put out to pasture during the eight-year pontificate of Benedict XVI. But now Francis is pope, and prelates like Cardinal Walter Kasper (another old friend of McCarrick’s) and McCarrick himself are back in the mix, and busier than ever.

    McCarrick in particular has been on a tear in the past year, traveling to the Philippines to console typhoon victims and visiting geopolitical pivot points such as China and Iran for sensitive talks on religious freedom and nuclear proliferation.

    “I truly believe there should be a religious channel in handling things where you do not have the diplomatic channel,” he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” last month after a trip to Tehran.

    McCarrick travels regularly to the Middle East, and was in the Holy Land for Francis’ visit in May. “The bad ones, they never die!” the pope teased McCarrick again when he saw him.

    In classic McCarrick style, the cardinal returned to Washington at 2 p.m. a few days later and at 4:30 that same afternoon he was on Capitol Hill buttonholing House Speaker John Boehner in yet another effort to urge the Republican leader — and fellow Catholic — to get moving on immigration reform.

    “Every time I see him he gets closer,” McCarrick says with a twinkle in his eye. “I tell him, ‘John, you could be a great hero!’“

    McCarrick loves the action, of course, and he is well-suited to his roving ambassador role. He speaks several languages fluently and he seems to know everybody — and everybody knows him.

    Sometimes McCarrick’s travels abroad are at the behest of the Vatican, sometimes on behalf of Catholic Relief Services. Occasionally the U.S. State Department asks him to make a trip, as it did when he visited the Central African Republic in April with Imam Mohamed Magid of the Islamic Society of North America and Leith Anderson, head of the National Association of Evangelicals.

    The country has been ravaged by ethnic and interreligious brutality, often perpetrated by the Christian majority, and the U.S. government thought this delegation could provide a witness of interfaith harmony even though they could only stay during the daylight hours due to the threat of violence.

    “They naturally think of me because I travel a lot and I worked a lot with Muslims,” McCarrick said during a recent conversation at his office at a seminary in the Maryland suburbs.

    The interview took place during a rare lull: McCarrick was heading to Armenia for meetings with Orthodox Church leaders on Syria the next week, followed by meetings in Rome, which scratched a long-planned vacation with his extended family. “I knew it would never happen,” he sighs.

    But Francis, who has put the Vatican back on the geopolitical stage, knows that when he needs a savvy back channel operator he can turn to McCarrick, as he did for the Armenia trip. “Why don’t you ask McCarrick to go?” the cardinal says of the Vatican’s thinking. “He’s usually willing to do these crazy things.”

    So what does McCarrick want to accomplish in his hyperactive retirement?

    “I’m just trying to get people to talk to each other, and hopefully to get people to like each other,” he said. “I’m not the smartest guy in the world, by any stretch. I’m not a great theologian. I’m not anything. But I’m not lazy. My great gift is presence.”

    “My shtick,” he added, “is that we are all brothers and sisters in God’s one human family.”

    That’s a line he learned from his mentor, the late Cardinal Terence Cooke of New York, where McCarrick was ordained a priest. McCarrick quickly rose through the clerical ranks, becoming a bishop and then archbishop in New Jersey, and finally a cardinal in Washington in 2001. He retired in 2006 and was sort of spinning his wheels under Benedict. Then Francis was elected, and everything changed.

    “Pope Benedict is a wonderful man, and was a good friend of mine before he became pope,” McCarrick said. “But he was anxious to bring the church back to where he thought it should be, and I guess I wasn’t one of those who he thought would help him on that. I would have obviously done what he asked.”


    McCarrick was always seen as a moderate, centrist presence in the hierarchy, a telegenic pastor who could present the welcoming face of the church, no matter what the circumstances.

    That made him indispensable at times, as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops became increasingly polarized. But it also made him a favorite target for conservatives who disdained McCarrick’s style.

    The cardinal, however, never wavered. “If you stand in the middle you can meet both sides. If you go all to one side you’re going to lose the other, and vice versa,” he said.

    “In medio stat virtus,” he added, citing the wisdom of the ancient church. “Virtue is in the middle. Strength is in the middle.”

    If that sets some teeth on edge, critics have a tougher argument to make since Francis says much the same thing. The pope did so quite forcefully in a homily just a few days later in which he criticized “ideologues” and praised compromise as “sane realism” on behalf of peace.

    That sort of moderation is also characteristic of McCarrick’s successor in Washington, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, who has also become a key figure in the new pontificate.

    McCarrick has high praise for Wuerl, and always reminds interviewers that Wuerl heads the D.C. archdiocese, not him. They also operate on different ecclesiastical planes — McCarrick racking up the frequent flier miles and lobbying on Capitol Hill while Wuerl works the inside track between Rome and the U.S.

    McCarrick is, of course, realistic about his own mortality. Age is his real foe, and even McCarrick can only needle and negotiate with Father Time so much. For now, though, the pacemaker is working.

    “My heart is still beating.” The knees “are killing me,” he says, and he’s been warned that he will have to start taking an aide along on his trips, which doesn’t make him happy.

    But he’ll keep moving as long as he can. “What else would I do? I get up at 5 a.m., I shower and shave and say my prayers, and go to chapel,” he says. “Then I come back and have breakfast. And then what do you do? You go to work.”

    “We work while the light lasts,” he said, invoking a favorite phrase from the Gospels.

     
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  8. Agnes rose

    Agnes rose Archangels

    I feel He is a very brave man!!!!
     
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  9. archangel michael

    archangel michael Archangels

    Just when you thought it couldn't get worse. It gets worse. Just makes me think of Our Lord's words at Tuy again.

    Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will likewise follow him into misfortune.”
     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    :oops:Gasp!
    Sounds like confirmation!
     
  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b......cause-to-doubt-truth-of-vigano-revelations

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    John-Henry Westen Follow John-Henry


    NewsCatholic ChurchMon Aug 27, 2018 - 12:39 pm EST

    BREAKING: Bishop Schneider: ‘no reasonable…cause to doubt truth’ of Vigano revelations about Pope
    athanasius schneider, carlo vigano, catholic, clergy sex abuse scandal, clergy sexual abuse, pope francis, sex abuse crisis in catholic church, vatican cover-up

    August 27, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Astana Kazakhstan, one of the most outspoken bishops in the world concerning the crisis of faith in the Catholic Church under Pope Francis, has written a document responding to the testimony of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano.

    Bishop Schneider says there is “no reasonable and plausible cause to doubt the truth content of the document of Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò.”

    Archbishop Vigano, who served as apostolic nuncio in Washington D.C. from 2011-2016, detailed in an 11-page letter last week that Pope Francis covered up now ex-Cardinal McCarrick's abuse.

    READ: Pope Francis covered up McCarrick abuse, former US nuncio testifies

    Bishop Schneider acknowledges that it is extremely grave and rare that a bishop would publicly accuse a reigning pope, but points out that “Archbishop Viganò confirmed his statement by a sacred oath invoking the name of God.”

    Bishop Schneider's document is published in full below.

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    Reflection about the “Testimony” of Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò from August 22, 2018

    It is a rare and an extremely grave fact in Church History that a bishop accuses publicly and specifically a reigning Pope. In a recently published document (from August 22, 2018) Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò testifies, that for five years, Pope Francis had known two facts: that Cardinal Theodore McCarrick committed sex offenses against seminarians and against his subordinates, and that there are sanctions, which Pope Benedict XVI imposed on him. Furthermore, Archbishop Viganò confirmed his statement by a sacred oath invoking the name of God. There is, therefore, no reasonable and plausible cause to doubt the truth content of the document of Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò.

    Catholics all over the world, the simple faithful, the “little ones”, are deeply shocked and scandalized about recently disclosed grave cases in which Church authorities covered up and protected clerics who committed sexual offenses against minors and against their own subordinates. Such a historical situation, which the Church is experiencing in our days, requires absolute transparency on all levels of the Church’s hierarchy, and in first place evidently on behalf of the Pope.

    It is completely insufficient and unconvincing, that Church authorities continue to formulate general appeals for zero tolerance in the cases of clerical sexual abuses and for a stop of covering such cases. Equally insufficient are the stereotyped pleas for forgiveness on behalf of Church authorities. Such appeals for zero tolerance and pleas for forgiveness will become credible only if the authorities of the Roman Curia will lay the cards on the table, giving the names and surnames of all those in the Roman Curia – independent of their rank and title - who covered up cases of sexual abuse of minors and of subordinates.

    From the document of Archbishop Viganò one can draw the following conclusions:

    1. That the Holy See and the Pope himself will start to cleanse uncompromisingly the Roman Curia and the episcopate from homosexual cliques and networks.
    2. That the Pope will proclaim unambiguously the Divine doctrine about the grievously sinful character of homosexual acts.
    3. That there will be issued peremptory and detailed norms, which will prevent the ordination of men with a homosexual tendency.
    4. That the Pope restores the purity and unambiguity of the entire Catholic doctrine in teaching and preaching.
    5. That there will be restored in the Church through papal and episcopal teaching and through practical norms the ever valid Christian ascesis: the exercises of fasting, of corporal penitence, of abnegations.
    6. That there will be restored in the Church the spirit and the praxis of reparation and expiation for sins committed.
    7. That there will start in the Church a securely guaranteed selection process of candidates to the episcopacy, who are demonstrably true men of God; and that it would be better to leave the dioceses several years without a bishop rather than to appoint a candidate who is not a true man of God in prayer, in doctrine and in moral life.
    8. That there will start in the Church a movement especially among cardinals, bishops and priests to renounce any compromise and any flirtation with the world.
    One would not be surprised, when the mainstream oligarchical international media, which promote homosexuality and moral depravity, will start to denigrate the person of Archbishop Viganò and to let disappear the core issue of his document in the sand.

    In midst of the spreading of Luther’s heresy and the deep moral crisis of a considerable part of the clergy and especially of the Roman Curia, Pope Adrian VI wrote the following astonishingly frank words, addressed to the Imperial Diet of Nuremberg in 1522: "We know, that for some time many abominations, abuses in ecclesiastical affairs, and violations of rights have taken place in the Holy See; and that all things have been perverted into bad. From the head the corruption has passed to the limbs, from the Pope to the prelates: we have all departed; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

    Ruthlessness and transparency in detecting and in confessing the evils in the life of the Church will help to initiate an efficient process of spiritual and moral purification and renewal. Before condemning others, every clerical office holder in the Church, regardless of rank and title, should ask himself in the presence of God, if he himself had in some way covered sexual abuses. Should he discover himself guilty, he should confess it publicly, for the Word of God admonishes him: “Be not ashamed to acknowledge your guilt” (Sir 4:26). For, as Saint Peter, the first Pope, wrote, “the time has come for the judging, starting with the house (the church) of God” (1 Peter 4:17).
     
  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/scott-hahn-it-seems-like-a-good-time-to-pray-like-never-before

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    Claire Chretien Follow Claire

    NewsCatholic ChurchMon Aug 27, 2018 - 11:32 am EST

    Scott Hahn on Vigano letter: ‘It seems like a good time to pray like never before’
    carlo vigano, catholic, clergy sex abuse scandal, joseph strickland, pope francis, scott hahn, sex abuse crisis in catholic church, theodore mccarrick, vatican cover-up

    August 27, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Catholic apologist, author, and Franciscan University of Steubenville professor Scott Hahn has thanked the bishop of Tyler, Texas for supporting Archbishop Carlo Viganò’s testimony about Pope Francis and ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick.

    “It seems like a good time to pray like never before…” Hahn tweeted.

    He linked to LifeSiteNews’ translation of Viganò’s statement, which indicates that Pope Francis knew about and lifted strict canonical sanctions Pope Benedict XVI imposed on McCarrick. Viganò testified that despite knowing about McCarrick’s predation, which included sexually harassing seminarians and priests, Pope Francis consulted him on the appointments of U.S. bishops, notably Cardinal Joseph Tobin and Cardinal Blase Cupich.

    “Wow! Lord, have mercy!” Hahn tweeted with a link to a National Catholic Register article on Viganò’s testimony.

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    Viganò also said that Cardinal Donald Wuerl’s claims he knew nothing about McCarrick’s actions are “laughable” and that Wuerl “lies shamelessly.”

    Of Viganò’s statement, Joseph Strickland, the bishop of Tyler, Texas, wrote to his diocese, “Let us be clear that they are still allegations but as your shepherd I find them to be credible.”

    “Using this standard the response must be a thorough investigation similar to those conducted any time allegations are deemed to be credible,” Strickland said. “I do not have the authority to launch such an investigation but I will lend my voice in whatever way necessary to call for this investigation and urge that it’s findings demand accountability of all found to be culpable even at the highest levels of the Church.”

    “Thank you, Bishop Strickland…” Hahn wrote on Facebook along with the text of Strickland’s letter.

    Hahn, a convert to Catholicism from Presbyterianism, is the author of dozens of books on the faith.
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Love Scott Hahn. always have; always will.
     
  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t...-host-calls-for-pope-to-resign-in-wake-of-vig

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    Dorothy Cummings McLean Follow Dorothy


    NewsCatholic ChurchMon Aug 27, 2018 - 2:47 pm EST

    Fox News host urges Catholics to call for Pope’s resignation amid Viganò revelations
    carlo vigano, catholic, clergy sex abuse scandal, laura ingraham, pope francis, sex abuse crisis in catholic church, vatican cover-up

    NEW YORK, August 27, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – A leading conservative news host has called for Pope Francis to resign and expressed support for the Vatican whistleblower who says the pontiff knowingly made sexual predator and now ex-Cardinal McCarrick his trusted advisor.

    Laura Ingraham, host of both “The Ingraham Angle” and “The Ingraham Show,” posted a message on Twitter yesterday saying that Pope Francis’s remarks in Ireland about clerical sexual abuse were insufficient.

    “Too little, too late from Pope Francis in Ireland,” she tweeted “I stand with Archbishop Carlo Vigano. Time for the laity to demand a new Shepherd.”
     
  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    This is the guy Former Papal Nunicio Vergano tells us was, 'Chosen', by Pope Francis et al...to put the LGBT case

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/f...-meeting-invite-lgbt-to-be-eucharistic-minist

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    Fr. James Martin tells Vatican meeting: Invite LGBT to be Eucharistic ministers
    catholic, homosexuality, james martin, world meeting of families, world meeting of families 2018

    DUBLIN, Ireland August 23, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Vatican advisor and pro-LGBT Jesuit priest Fr. James Martin told participants at the World Meeting of Families today in Ireland that active homosexuals “should be invited into parish ministries” specifically mentioning them becoming “eucharistic ministers” in order to make them welcomed and accepted in the Catholic Church.

    “As I’ve mentioned, there is a tendency to focus on the sexual morality of L.G.B.T. parishioners, which is wrong, because, first, you often have no idea what their sexual lives are like; and, second, even if they are falling short, they are not the only ones,” he said.

    “As a result, L.G.B.T. people may feel they have to be dishonest about who they are and that they have no place in ministries. Like everyone else in your parish who does not live up to the Gospels—which is everyone—L.G.B.T. people should be invited into parish ministries: eucharistic ministers, music ministers, lectors, bereavement ministry and every ministry,” he added.

    READ: Layman responds to Fr. James Martin: ‘It’s hate not to tell LGBT that gay sex leads to hell’
     
  16. gracia

    gracia Archangels

    So creepy. So wrong.
     
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    padraig Powers

    https://onepeterfive.com/pope-refus...-former-vatican-diplomat-confirms-the-report/

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    Pope Refuses to Answer Questions on Viganò Accusations as Another Former Vatican Diplomat Confirms Report
    [​IMG] Steve Skojec August 27, 2018 One Comment


    It’s an act of hubris so stunning, I can’t say I’ve ever seen anything like it.

    Confronted on the plane back from Ireland by a reporter from CBS News who wanted a simple true-or-false answer about whether the pope could confirm allegations that former apostolic nuncio to the United States Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò had personally told him about McCarrick’s sexual abuse in 2013, Francis dodges the question and redirects it back at the journalist in the most unconvincing, condescending way imaginable.

    “I will respond to your question,” says the pope in a video of the plane presser translated by LifeSiteNews. “But I would prefer that we first speak about the trip, and then other topics[.] … This morning I read that statement. I read it, and I will say sincerely that I must tell you all this – you [CBS] and all of you who are interested: Read the statement carefully yourselves and make your own judgment. I am not going to say a word about this. I believe that the statement speaks for itself, and you all have sufficient journalistic ability to draw conclusions.”

    “It is an act of trust,” he continues. “When a little time goes by, and you have drawn conclusions, perhaps I will speak about it, but I would like your professional maturity to do this work. It will do you all good, really.”

    Stop the tape for a second.

    Did the vicar of Christ just tell journalists asking him a binary question that drawing their own conclusions about an accusation only he can answer is a character-building exercise for them?

    Pressed on when he first heard about the accusations against Cardinal McCarrick, the pope responds again: “This is part of the statement on McCarrick. Study and then I will say something.”

    He then quickly changes the subject.

    Watch the video. The grasping for words. The patronizing smile. There is nothing about this that inspires confidence:

    Meanwhile, the Catholic News Agency (CNA) obtained a brief statement from Monsignor Jean-François Lantheaume, the former first counselor of the nunciature in Washington, whose job it was to inform Cardinal McCarrick of the sanctions imposed on him by Pope Benedict XVI. Lantheaume, who declined to give an interview, merely confirmed the veracity of Viganò’s report.

    “Viganò said the truth. That’s all,” said Lantheaume, in a written response to CNA.

    Meanwhile, papal defenders have closed ranks around the pontiff, attempting to attack the character of Archbishop Viganò – with one writer for a notoriously heterodox “Catholic” publication referring to him as a “disgruntled former employee” who was “always a crackpot.” Cardinal Wuerl is, unsurprisingly, denying allegations that he, too, knew about McCarrick’s activities.

    Fr. Carlos Martins, a priest of the Archdiocese of Detroit, posted some interesting context to his Facebook page today, saying:

    I just spent the last two hours on the phone with a friend in the Vatican Curia. He said that the news of Archbishop Viganò has hit the Curia like an atomic bomb. Two things are universally noted regarding Viganò: 1) He is highly respected as a professional, and 2) His Curial positions gave him clear access to the damning information he reported. In other words, he is not a hack, and he is not relying on rumor. This makes his report absolutely worthy of belief.

    Viganò always had a reputation for being a combatant of internal Vatican corruption. In fact, during the Vatican leaks scandal, whistle-blowing reports that he authored were among the main documents that were leaked. This was an attempt by the persons he outed to pre-empt the report’s impact and suck the energy out of the attempt to investigate their claims. …

    In the words of the Curial official I spoke with this afternoon, what Viganò has reported “makes the Borgia popes look like saints.” The feeling in the Curia right now is that the response of Viganò’s enemies will to try to discredit him personally, both because of the impeccability of Viganò’s character and the impossibility of his having interpreted the facts incorrectly. Their only hope will be to try to take energy away from the perversion and corruption that he uncovered. They will likely state that he is a bitter man who is seeking personal aggrandizement after having been exiled from Rome. When this occurs, don’t buy into it. Viganò is retired. He has nothing personally to gain from this.

    On his own Facebook page, Catholic journalist and author of The Political Pope George Neumayr offered a telling anecdote:

    At the Papal flight presser, Pope Francis gave Archbishop Vigano the back of his hand, saying he won’t even engage his charges. I guess we are supposed to be impressed by this. Of course, it is just guilty posturing. He won’t engage Vigano’s charges because he has no defense against them. During my research for The Political Pope, I came across numerous cases of Bergoglio overlooking the sleaziness of bad priests. He prided himself on his “understanding” and “mercy,” which he regarded as superior to the “rigid” attitudes of his colleagues. One small but obvious indication that Francis knew about McCarrick’s lunges at seminarians is that he would make jokes to McCarrick about his dubious reputation. One time he told “Teddy” that his longevity was due to the fact that Satan needed more time to complete his room in Hell.

    If true, can you even imagine a pope making a joke of this nature?

    Thus far, only two bishops have come out in support of Viganò: Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas.

    “The declarations made by a prelate of the authority of Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò must be totally taken to heart by those responsible in the Church,” said Cardinal Burke in comments to LifeSiteNews. “Each declaration must be subject to investigation, according to the Church’s time-tried procedural law.”

    In a directive to “all priests” of his diocese “to include this notice in the masses on August 26, and post it on their websites and other social media immediately,” Bishop Strickland included the full statement (PDF link) of Archbishop Viganò and wrote, “Let us be clear that they are still allegations but as your shepherd I find them to be credible. Using this standard the response must be a thorough investigation similar to those conducted any time allegations are deemed to be credible. I do not have the authority to launch such an investigation but I will lend my voice in whatever way necessary to call for this investigation and urge that it’s findings demand accountability of all found to be culpable even at the highest levels of the Church.”

    We will see if there are any other bishops with backbones in all of Christendom as the week continues.
     
  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    https://www.dioceseoftyler.org/news/2018/08/bishop-stricklands-public-statement-to-the-diocese/

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    Bishop Strickland’s Public Statement to the Diocese
    Luke Heintschel August 26, 2018 Bishop Strickland, Catholic Life & Culture, General News, Pope Francis, Priests

    Dear Priests, Deacons, Religious and all Holy Faithful of the Diocese of Tyler,
    A letter (see below) by Archbishop Vigano, former Nuncio to the United States, raises grave allegations and calls for the resignation of numerous high ranking prelates including Pope Francis.
    Let us be clear that they are still allegations but as your shepherd I find them to be credible. Using this standard the response must be a thorough investigation similar to those conducted any time allegations are deemed to be credible. I do not have the authority to launch such an investigation but I will lend my voice in whatever way necessary to call for this investigation and urge that it’s findings demand accountability of all found to be culpable even at the highest levels of the Church.
    As this unfolds I urge all in the Diocese of Tyler to pray fervently for Holy Mother Church and beg the Intercession of Our Blessed Mother. We are the flock of Jesus Christ. He is Lord of His Church and His Holy Spirit will guide us through this darkness.
    Almighty God Father, Son and Spirit have mercy on your Church and cleanse her in the fires of your Love.
    Blessed Virgin Mary, Pray for us
    All Sainted Popes & Bishops in Heaven, Pray for us
    All Holy Men and Women, Pray for us
    I direct all priests to include this notice in the masses on August 26, and post it on their websites and other social media immediately.
    Most Reverend Joseph E. Strickland
    Bishop of Tyler
     
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  20. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    image.jpeg THE GREAT SIFTING HAS BEGUN

    The separation of the sheep and the goats.

    Simple as that.
     

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