Pope Francis

Discussion in 'Prayer requests' started by padraig, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    I think you are right.
     
  2. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    They say “demography is destiny.” If that’s the case, the statistics don’t lie. The ONLY segment of the Roman Catholic Church that is growing rapidly and gaining numerous vocations is traditional Catholicism. All other Catholic demographic groups are in rapid decline. At the present rate, the NO will not exist in several decades, to be completely replaced by tradition.
     
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  3. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Yes! This is my experience. At my FSSP parish I'm surrounded by big, happy SWEET families that just LOVE God and our Church. And all 4 of our priests are absolutely wonderful--humble, down to earth, respectful, full of refreshing Truth, and very obviously working hard on dying to self and growing in Virtue. I love them so much.
     
  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    A wonderful priest. Listening to his talk I can see that like Padre Pio before him he has also been cancelled. So sad.
     
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  5. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    Very aptly spoken, I think.
     
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  6. Michael_Pio

    Michael_Pio Archangels

    What? Now they are going after Father Linus Clovis? I am referring to the relevant post by Padraig, which you, dear Mario, quoted. I cannot find Padraig's post anymore.

    I had the honour and pleasure to meet Father Clovis several times when he was visiting New Zealand. Once, he gave a presentation on Fatima. I remember exactly what he said about the Third Secret.

    This wonderful priest, Fr. Clovis, literally oozes holiness. He is a very likable person, too. How dare they persecute him. When will this hostile takeover of the Holy Catholic Church stop?
     
  7. AED

    AED Powers

    How blessed you are.
     
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  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    We all are aware that traditional Eucharistic Miracles that had occurred even for many centuries continue in the Novus Ordo. Simply because something is inferior doesn't imply it is invalid.
     
  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I was only a child when the Novus Ordo was imposed. I use the latter verb very deliberately. My shadowy memory of those events is one of the adults being bewildered. I suppose they were in shock. This incredibly radical change was brought about with a determination and efficiency that, if it was deployed with similar vigour to proselytise (another dirty word, now) the pagans, it would have converted most of the world. I don't think that generation of lay people, as a whole, bear much guilt for 'accepting' this revolution. And most of the 'infantry' class in the clerics were bound by vows of obedience. Like any dead fish (and the exponents of the vandalisation of the Catholic Mass were meant to be fishers of men), the rot began at the very top. Despite Humanae Vitae, the reign of Pope Paul VI approximated the destructiveness of the present pontificate. We will never know how Pope John Paul would have turned out, and God didn't seem keen to leave him the opportunity, but where would we be now if St Pope John Paul II hadn't steadied the ship?
     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    To me every word here speaks truth. Imposed is absolutely the right term. Ruthlessly imposed. And with such glee on the part of the NO "reformers". Had Cardinal Octavianni not intervened we would not have a valid Mass. He insisted on the words of consecration being clearly spoken to the original intent. Thanks be to God. Who will intervene this time around I wonder? When the gleeful "deformers" start hacking away at the Holy Sacrifice in the name of inclusivity.
     
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  11. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Excellent post
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Exactly as I remember it.
    If I am not mistaken, Pope John Paul was going to be a zealous reformer. I will have a look at what Fr Murr says about him.
     
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  13. As long as we have the consecration.
     
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  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The Consecration is Mass. Realistically, all the rest is (at best, when no clowns are involved) window-dressing.

    Personally, with a priest facing towards the altar, like the rest of the plebs, the Roman Canon and Communion on the tongue, I'd be reasonably content; even if aware that even this is second best.
     
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/h...claims-freemason-cardinal-killed-john-paul-i/


    ROME (LifeSiteNews) — The last man to have spoken to Pope John Paul I, soon to be beatified, was a cardinal of the Roman Curia whom the Pope intended to remove from office because of his membership in Freemasonry. Just hours after a heated meeting with the cardinal in the Apostolic Palace, the Pope was found dead.

    On September 25, 1978, a mere three days before the newly elected John Paul I would be found dead, the Holy Father met with Archbishop Edouard Gagnon. Fr. Charles Murr, Gagnon’s secretary, has detailed the circumstances of that meeting in a recent book titled Murder in the 33rd Degree. Murr spoke with LifeSiteNews editor-in-chief John-Henry Westen about what happened then and after.



    At that meeting, Gagnon presented to John Paul I the findings of a three-year investigation of the entire Roman Curia that he had conducted at the command of Pope St. Paul VI. The investigation specifically sought to uncover the presence of any Freemasons within the Vatican offices.

    Two men stood out in this investigation for the positions they enjoyed within the Curia: Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, the architect of the Novus Ordo liturgy, and Cardinal Sebastian Baggio, the head of the Congregation for Bishops, responsible for the nomination of bishops throughout the world. Under Baggio’s 12-year tenure, a retirement age of 75 was imposed upon the episcopacy, allowing him to nominate liberal-leaning bishops the world over. The membership of both Baggio and Bugnini in Freemasonry was confirmed by documentation verified as authentic by special agents of INTERPOL, the International Criminal Police Organization, according Murr’s testimony.

    By 1978, because of involvement in Freemasonry, Bugnini had been sent by Paul VI to Iran as Apostolic Nuncio, where, according to Murr, it was thought he could do the least harm. Baggio, however, still held his Vatican post when John Paul I was elected to the Chair of Peter. His removal was among the foremost subjects of Gagnon’s meeting with John Paul I on September 25, 1978.

    During that meeting, John Paul I agreed to deal with Cardinal Baggio and his membership in the Lodge, according to the testimony of Murr, who drove Gagnon to the meeting and spoke with him immediately after. Three days later, September 28, the Pope telephoned the Cardinal to come meet him that day. After responding that his schedule was busy, Baggio agreed to meet the Holy Father in his study that evening.

    At 8 p.m. on September 28, Cardinal Baggio entered the Papal Apartments. No one else was to be present while two Swiss Guards waited outside the door. The time of day and the absence of others at the meeting were both unusual. The meeting lasted about an hour. The only testimony regarding that papal meeting came a few days later from one of the Swiss Guards on duty: that the angry voice of Baggio had been raised and could be heard through the door, suggesting a heated confrontation with the Pontiff.

    “At 8:00 Baggio went up to the Holy Father’s residence in the Apostolic Palace,” Murr relates, “and was with him for approximately an hour. And there was shouting. Not the pope. The pope was not shouting. Baggio was shouting at the pope. How do we know that? I happen to know it. I happen to know. It was through a Swiss guard who was at the outside of the door. There were two Swiss guards. They reported this shouting. Baggio left. Furious. After an hour.”


    John Paul I was found dead the next morning at 4:45 a.m. The official Vatican report as to the cause of his death changed several times. The last report was that the Pontiff suffered a heart attack during the night around 11 p.m. No autopsy or blood test was ever conducted.

    The last meeting of John Paul I with Cardinal Baggio and the latter’s membership in Freemasonry have been kept hidden by the Vatican for decades. A Time Magazine article telling the story is the only evidence from the time that Fr. Charles Murr was able to recover as outside evidence. “The only place,” Murr says, “that I saw a report of the meeting between the Holy Father, John Paul I and Cardinal Baggio, Sebastian Baggio, was in Time Magazine. I have a copy of it. It cost me dearly to find.”

    Murr alleges that the confrontation between the Pope and the high-ranking Cardinal, a member of both the Roman Curia and the Masonic Lodge, very well may have been what caused John Paul I to suffer a heart attack only hours later. But given the nature of the confrontation, Murr also alleges that the circumstances of the Pontiff’s death would qualify it as a Masonic murder.

    “The Pope, who had a bad heart, is taking blood pressure medicine, I believe, because of that encounter, suffered a heart attack two or three hours later and died. Now you say, well, that’s not really a murder … I asked Cardinal Gagnon: Did he think that the pope was murdered? And he said, ‘You know, Charles. There are many ways of killing a man.’ I believe that’s what happened. I believe that’s the murder. That’s the murder that I’m talking about.
    Murr has called on the Vatican to release the investigative Gagnon report on the presence of Freemasons within the Roman Curia, including the documentation on Bugnini and Baggio. The call is especially pertinent given the upcoming beatification of John Paul I on September 4. The Gagnon report may shed light not only on the death of John Paul I but on the things that have thrown the Church into its current crisis.


    (more at the link)
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    This tallies with the account by Malachi Martin in the 1980's. He was a great admirer of JPI and was convinced he would put an end to the excesses and abuses of VII. But the Pope was taken out before he could do it. :(
     
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  17. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    If the Masons took JPI out, rather than it being a Divine decision, this would paint him in an entirely different light. A recommendation from Malachi Martin, who also died in somewhat suspicious circumstances, carries enormous weight at this point. The present incumbent can make one paranoid.
     
  18. PNF

    PNF Archangels

    I know you didn't mean it with malice, but your statement is not Catholic, DeGaulle. See the Council of Trent Session VII:

    http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch7.htm

    CANON XIII.-If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments, may be contemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed, by every pastor of the churches, into other new ones; let him be anathema.
    The prayers and ceremonies in the traditional Roman Missal are not "window dressing." Please take back what you said.
     
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  19. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Padre Pio was once asked how we should attend Holy Mass, and he cited the example of Our Lady and the pious women on Calvary. I think this points to something that is possible in both the Tridentine rite and the Mass of Paul VI.
     
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  20. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Yikes, no autopsy, or even blood tests. That in itself seems very suspicious. It is possible that John Paul I could have been poisened. :eek:
     

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