Pope Francis

Discussion in 'Prayer requests' started by padraig, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    Our poor Church has been wounded by Pope Francis, but there is no way around it, we must pray for him. Even though it seems as though all is lost, there is a always a chance that he may repent before he leaves this earth.
     
  2. BrianK

    BrianK Powers Staff Member

    Yes, he needs our prayers.

    There’s more to his current health problems than bronchitis, judging by recent photos. This type of facial swelling is not from bronchitis.
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  3. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Poor Pope Francis, the way his frail fist is clenched in that picture... I pray God has mercy and pity on him. I do believe he loves God and Our Lady and didn't mean any true harm, however misled and flawed he may be. I've made too many mistakes in my own life and have had to beg for God's mercy to be in any position to condemn Pope Francis. He needs our prayers and love.
     
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  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    "Lord Jesus Christ, in your infinite mercy, look upon those souls who are currently in danger of eternal damnation. Open their hearts to your love, and grant them the strength to turn away from sin and embrace your grace. We implore you, through the power of your Holy Spirit, to guide them towards true repentance and a life aligned with your will. May they experience the depth of your love and be spared the torment of hell. Amen.".
     
  5. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    If Pope Francis should pass away I would worry greatly about the next appointment -

    But it is all in God's hands.
     
  6. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    At least your mistakes probably harmed few people.

    That Pope Francis stated that taking an experimental injection for covid 'was a moral obligation', his interference in this regard has no doubt cost many lives and injured many people, a fact which is still being suppressed by the mainstream media.
     
  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I continue to pray for his conversion and salvation, but also that the damage he has continued to do be ended and undone. I certainly do not think desirable a full recovery and a return to his unCatholic words and writings. Ideally, I would like a miracle of recovery followed by a complete refutation of these, but I don't think it likely. Maybe the best thing that can be hoped for is his death, accompanied by a 'between the stirrup and the ground' repentance. Followed by a Pope Pius XIII, with the help of God.
     
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  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I don't think that was even the worst of it. That was Pope Francis, in defiance of the teaching of Vatican II, misusing his spiritual authority in prudential matters, as he has done with the issues of immigration and climate change. Bad enough, but these issues only represented a danger to the body.

    His most serious misdeeds were contradicting Christ in that footnote to Amoris laetitia, the Pachamama debacle, particularly on the altar at Mass, and the sodomy document. These latter involved the misuse of his true papal authority: there are well-informed people asking very serious questions of whether he ever possessed that authority in the first place, not to mention the issue that his authority might have been relinquished by the adoption of the afore-mentioned abominations. Anyway, these issues represent a danger to souls. Far worse.

    He is in the Office of the Pope. He has to be held to the highest standards. Sentimentalism is not appropriate.

    There is the risk that being excessively kind to his memory might grant posthumous legitimacy to his errors. 'Error has no rights'.
     
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  9. border collie

    border collie Archangels

    The chattering after mass used to really annoy me until I got an inspiration some time ago to offer all the Godly words of the chatter in thanksgiving to God for the glory of his name and in reparation for all the ungodliness of the chatter's lives. I have observed whole groups of people up and leave while praying like this. Either way I am doing something about it rather than just getting annoyed.
     
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  10. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    Robert is a man after my own heart.

     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Where there is much talk, there is much sin.

    I came across this message to the Hungarian visionary , Elizabeth Kindleman (Flame of Love) the other night:

    Jesus:

    “Be quiet. Do you know who is truly wise? The one who is silent. I prepared by thirty years of silence for just three years of activity. Speak only when I give you the signal. Speak only what I taught you. Few words will produce abundant fruit.” Silence reigned in my soul. He filled my soul with his divine presence. This caused me to tremble. Until now, nothing has been this intense. My body was wiped out and my soul was filled with divine grace. (The Flame of Love, Chapter 2, “The Value of Silence”, pg. 35-36)

    https://slmedia.org/blog/flames-from-heaven

    James 3:1-12
    Taming the Tongue
    3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

    3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

    7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

    9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.


     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    If I were to point my finger on the single huge error of Papa Frankie's Reign it is this:

    That he never stopped talking..

    ...and that he encouraged other people to talk too much.

    Endless, endless, endless chatter.
     
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  13. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    That is why, if this pontificate is not declared null and void in the future, I believe the pentarchy system will be reconsidered in the governance of the Church, and the Orthodox will unite with us because of it. After all, a single man at the helm has caused an entire crisis in the Church with his heterodox or ambiguous statements.
     
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  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Saint Cardinal Henry Newman was prophetic on this a long, long time ago.

    https://www.newmanreader.org/biography/ward/volume2/chapter27.html

    'Newman followed the utterances of the Univers and the Dublin alike with profound and ever-deepening distress. His distress was the greater because of the noble elements in the Ultramontane movement, which were, he considered, being disfigured by exaggeration and party spirit. He had himself ever been an Ultramontane in the sense that Mgr. Sibour and Montalembert were Ultramontanes. He had held that the Pontiff's definitions of faith were infallible. But he felt deeply, as did Mgr. Dupanloup, the unchristian animosity displayed by M. Veuillot in the name of Ultramontanism against such admirable Catholics as Montalembert and his friends of the Correspondant. From W. G. Ward's writings personal animosity was absent. But his extreme theories touched more closely Newman's own field of action in England. And the blending of what Newman felt to be valuable with what he felt to be impossible to hold, in the face of obvious historical facts and recognised theological principles, was even more marked in the case of the English writer. To follow the lead of Pius IX. with loyalty was one thing. To commit Catholic theologians to an entirely new view (as Newman considered) ascribing infallibility to a Pope's public utterances which were not definitions of faith or morals was quite another matter. The immense value, for the effectiveness of Catholicism as a power in the world, of a hearty union of Catholics under the Pope as their general in the war waged by the new age against the Church, had been impressed upon {214} the Catholics of the nineteenth century by de Maistre in his great work 'Du Pape.' The gradual extinction of Gallicanism was the result of a movement which had in it very valuable elements. It was a simple and inspiring programme to listen to the voice of the reigning Pontiff as ever witnessing to the unerring faith of Peter. No one felt all this in his heart more deeply than did Newman. His whole sympathy was ever with obedience and loyalty. But he could not shut his eyes to the terrible revenges which time would bring on an attempt to identify the Catholic faith with views which ignored patent facts of history, including the human defects of Popes themselves, visible at times even in their official pronouncements. He could not forget such Popes as Liberius and Honorius. The action of these Pontiffs could, no doubt, in his opinion, be defended as consistent with Papal Infallibility, but only by those careful distinctions as to what official utterances were and were not infallible which were now branded as 'Liberalism' by Veulliot, as 'minimism' by W. G. Ward. Had the faithful at large felt bound, under pain of mortal sin or disloyalty to the Church, to be guided by the famous official letter of Pope Honorius to the Patriarch Sergius which encouraged the Monothelite heresy, they would have fallen under the censure of Popes Agatho and Leo II., who anathemnatised Pope Honorius for that very letter. Had the letter been accepted as the teaching of the Church, had a critical examination of its exact authority been treated as disloyal, the Catholic Communion might have become largely Monothelite. Even as it was, the letter proved, in the words of a distinguished theologian, 'a tower of strength' to heretics until it had, later on, been authoritatively declared by Rome itself to be no embodiment of her Apostolic tradition [Note 4]. Meanwhile the orthodox had resolutely to oppose the Pope's verdict. 'Though a Pope do all that Honorius did,' Newman had to insist in replying to a letter from Dr. Pusey, in which current Ultramontane excesses were treated as Catholic doctrine, 'he is not speaking infallibly.' All this was practically ignored by M. Veuillot [Note 5]. {215}'
     
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  15. Mmary

    Mmary Archangels

    The Covid "experiment" also instituted, by design, a worldwide method of controlling the masses, by the the 'shadow' one world government. All of our rights are now null and void in the event of another scamdemic. Pursuant to the scam, the UN changed the definition of a pandemic, which is very ambiguous and easily manipulated by the powers that be. My tin hat is firmly in place, but if anyone calls me on that, I consider it a badge of honor.
     
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  16. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    not a fan of pentarchy

    Jesus founded His Church
    “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build My Church.”
     
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  18. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    This existed in the governance of the Early Church and never served to undermine the supreme authority of the Bishop of Rome as the first among equals. Otherwise, it would be a historical testimony against the papacy—just as the first seven ecumenical councils, held outside the walls of Rome, never diminished the authority of the supreme Apostolic See.
     
  19. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    A committee can possess just as many heterodox opinions as one man and conceivably more.
     
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  20. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    I look at his face and see no joy. I look at the face of Saint JP II and see joy.
     
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