Yes, correct. Not a slight. I am sincerely wondering what to do. I am not sure that going along with the flow is going to cut it. Of course, you are not just going along with the flow, when you do intense prayer and fasting. I am speaking in general - I don't know what to do. In some ways, the spiritual chastisement seems worse than the physical one. May Mother Mary protect us.
G.K. Chesterton... "A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." My guess is that anyone on this forum who invokes Our Lady will not "go with the flow" on... Transgenderism Woman's ordination Homosexual unions or simulated "marriages" Abortion "rights" Pachamama worship etc. etc. Our Lady is the destroyer of heresies. Our Lady is the Queen of Apostles. Until we get with her program of conversion, prayer, and fasting nothing will get better in the Church. I am speaking to myself first here, since I fail far to often. Brian K is absolutely correct here. Abandonment to Divine Providence is key. It is God who works in us. We must be willing to get out of his way. According to the teaching of Pope John Paul II every Christian is called to strive for poverty, chastity and obedience according to our state in life. As Teresa of Avila says... “Let us do our part, and God will then do what He wills. This is God’s cause, and all will end well. My hope is in Him; do not be distressed.”
Thank you for posting this. Bishop Schneider explains so clearly that nobody can depose a Pope. I agree with HH that, once the person chosen by a conclave has been accepted as Pope by the universal Church, there's no going back. Francis is the valid Pope and will be until he dies or chooses to retire no matter what Anne Barnhardt or anyone else says. That's the bottom line for me.
Bishop Schneider explains it so clearly, yes. He has the God-given authority. It’s so simple that some people don’t want to accept it.
We have been discussing this very question here on the forum. Bishop Schneider quotes an interpretation statement by a theologian, dating back centuries ago. I actually posted it here, together with a humble and probably poor translation from Latin to English. I was initially quite happy, as I thought this finally settles the Pope question. However, the interpretation statement quoted by Bishop Schneider was overridden by the constitution on how to elect a Pope. The constitution is church law, not just an interpretation statement. It is also much younger, from the 1980ies, as I recall. The constitution clearly says that an election of a Pope can be invalid under certain circumstances - and this makes it questionable whether an invalid election can be healed via general acceptance. PNF was the one who pointed us to the constitution. I do not know why Bishop Schneider, whom I greatly respect, quotes the old interpretation statement but does not seem to discuss the much younger and superior constitution. Moreover, I do not know why Bishop Schneider, Cardinal Burke (whom I highly respect and had the honour to meet), etc. do not seem to want to consider the goings-on around the 2013 "conclave". The circumstances leading to Pope Benedict's resignation, given something like that was foretold 15 years earlier in "Windswept House" by Fr. Malachi Martin, are quite a mystery. Thus, the validity of the 2013 election is the key question. The other question is, whether a Pope who practices heresy retains the papacy. As I recall, this question has been discussed by Doctor of the Church Cardinal Robert Bellarmine. Bishop Schneider says there is no institution to rule on this question. This may be true. But the question of whether Jorge Bergoglio has retained (in case he ever acquired) the papacy is a question of fact. It is independent of whether any institution or court of law exists to decide on this question. As mere laymen, we are most certainly not in a position to judge whether Jorge Bergoglio is the Pope. Bishop Schneider says he is not in a position either, nobody actually is. All I am saying is that the Pope question relates to very real and evidenced questions of fact. How the Holy Catholic Church can get out of the current dilemma, I do not know. God bless!
This is the heart of the matter, and has not yet been addressed by the Church, let alone decided. I wholly expect, when the histories are written, they will properly interpret and abide by the law laid down by St.PJPII and declare the conclave to have been invalid. This is obvious, either due to 1) a coerced or erroneous and therefore invalid resignation on PXVI’s part and/ or 2) the well documented violations of the new conclave constitutions, by the St. Gallen Mafia, working with the documented express consent of Bergolgio. (It will be easier to document and therefore prove the latter IMO.) By nature of these violations he would have been automatically excommunicated and therefore not eligible to become pope. “Universal acclimation” is a moot point in the face of these facts. Eventually “the good guys” like Schneider, Burke et al will have to look at and digest these points. Until they do, unfortunately, their arguments are not sound because they are incomplete.
It was a surprising Word from God that the Jews in exile received from Jeremiah. Did the Lord say, "I haven't forgotten, I'm about to act?" No. Rather: "29:5 Build houses and live in them; plant gardens and eat their produce. 6 Take wives and have sons and daughters; take wives for your sons, and give your daughters in marriage, that they may bear sons and daughters; multiply there, and do not decrease. 7 But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare. Though God does promise: 10 “For thus says the Lord: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place. 11 For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. At this point in the Pontificate of Francis, I leave the timing to God. I will fast and pray for the Pope and Church, but the timing is His; His Perfect Will cannot be undone or even delayed. I frequently meditate now on Isaiah 50: 10 Who among you fears the Lord and obeys the voice of his servant, who walks in darkness and has no light, yet trusts in the name of the Lord and relies upon his God? 11 Behold, all you who kindle a fire,who set brands alight! Walk by the light of your fire, and by the brands which you have kindled! This shall you have from my hand: you shall lie down in torment. I don't want to get ahead of myself, and light my own firebrands. Better to trust God in the darkness. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
This will not be decided on whether PF is or is not a public manifest heretic, but on whether the conclave itself was invalid (for the reasons outlined above) and therefore did not fall under historical “universal acclimation” guidelines. It doesn’t matter whether he can be documented to be a manifest heretic if a person wasn’t pope in the first place .
Cardinal Muller said that even if there were deficiencies, they have been de facto cured by the exercise of the office. Cardinal Burke is a Canon Lawyer. I have never seen anything from Cardinal Burke casting doubt on the validity of the conclave.
I’m with you on this. This is the Catholic Church with Apostolic succession. I’m relying on the traditional prelates.
Vatican Denies Reports of Plans to Reform Conclave Top cardinal canonist slams rumors as 'absolutely false' and a 'pure lie' https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/vatican-denies-conclave-reports
I was just made aware of the link/contrast between the Jeremiah verses based on a recent talk of Scott Hahn given at Steubenville. Thank you Mr. Hahn!
https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/when-vatican-pr-makes-pope-look-bad/ The author is implying that the Vatican Press is covering up Pope Francis's true health status, that he could really be sick, but they don't want to divulge it to the public...
