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garabandal · Aug 24, 2026 at 3:19 PM

AED said: ↑

I actually dont think they are harmless. Fr Ripperger Fr Reehil and Msgr Rossetti all think they are extremely dangerous spiritually.
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I think the difference is the Potter books resonate with occultic undertones whereas Lord of the Rings doesnt.

garabandal · Aug 24, 2026 at 3:23 PM

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It's been a while since I read LOTR (about 20 years, I reckon) so I had a look at Wikipedia to get a sense of what Tolkien had intended him to portray.
As well as noting his probable origin in Old Norse tales and the figure of Odin, among others, there were references to a Christian interpretation that I thought were interesting:

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Further information: Christianity in Middle-earth
The critic Anne C. Petty, writing about "Allegory" in the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia, discusses Gandalf's death and reappearance in Christian terms. She cites Michael W. Maher, S.J.: "who could not think of Gandalf's descent into the pits of Moria and his return clothed in white as a death-resurrection motif?"[15][16] She at once notes, however, that "such a narrow [allegorical] interpretation" limits the reader's imagination by demanding a single meaning for each character and event.[15] Other scholars and theologians have likened Gandalf's return as a "gleaming white" figure to the transfiguration of Christ.[17][18][19]

The philosopher Peter Kreeft, like Tolkien a Roman Catholic, observes that there is no one complete, concrete, visible Christ figure in The Lord of the Rings comparable to Aslan in C. S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia series. However, Kreeft and Jean Chausse have identified reflections of the figure of Jesus Christ in three protagonists of The Lord of the Rings: Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn. While Chausse found "facets of the personality of Jesus" in them, Kreeft wrote that "they exemplify the Old Testament threefold Messianic symbolism of prophet (Gandalf), priest (Frodo), and king (Aragorn)."[20][21][22]
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Tolkein wrote the Lord of the Rings initially as a story for his children.

People read too much into Lord of the Rings.

Tolkein was deeply Catholic so there may well be some resonance of his deep beliefs within the volumes.

His audience was his kids.

garabandal · Aug 24, 2026 at 4:34 PM

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Mario · Aug 24, 2026 at 5:00 PM

Dave Fagan said: ↑

It's been a while since I read LOTR (about 20 years, I reckon) so I had a look at Wikipedia to get a sense of what Tolkien had intended him to portray.
As well as noting his probable origin in Old Norse tales and the figure of Odin, among others, there were references to a Christian interpretation that I thought were interesting:

Christ-figure
edit
Further information: Christianity in Middle-earth
The critic Anne C. Petty, writing about "Allegory" in the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia, discusses Gandalf's death and reappearance in Christian terms. She cites Michael W. Maher, S.J.: "who could not think of Gandalf's descent into the pits of Moria and his return clothed in white as a death-resurrection motif?"[15][16] She at once notes, however, that "such a narrow [allegorical] interpretation" limits the reader's imagination by demanding a single meaning for each character and event.[15] Other scholars and theologians have likened Gandalf's return as a "gleaming white" figure to the transfiguration of Christ.[17][18][19]

The philosopher Peter Kreeft, like Tolkien a Roman Catholic, observes that there is no one complete, concrete, visible Christ figure in The Lord of the Rings comparable to Aslan in C. S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia series. However, Kreeft and Jean Chausse have identified reflections of the figure of Jesus Christ in three protagonists of The Lord of the Rings: Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn. While Chausse found "facets of the personality of Jesus" in them, Kreeft wrote that "they exemplify the Old Testament threefold Messianic symbolism of prophet (Gandalf), priest (Frodo), and king (Aragorn)."[20][21][22]
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A decent summary!

AED · Aug 24, 2026 at 6:21 PM

garabandal said: ↑

I think the difference is the Potter books resonate with occultic undertones whereas Lord of the Rings doesnt.
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Exactly. And right and wrong are not clearly fixed. Harry does bad things to obtain good ends. In the laws of God this is forbidden. You can never do a bad act to obtain a good end.

Marc Gentile · Aug 24, 2026 at 6:41 PM

garabandal said: ↑

Does that logic apply to all fiction?
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If it deals with the occult portrayed as good then yes. If it applies to a story like a fictional boy in a book who grows up to become a firefighter, than no.

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