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Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by themilitantcatholic, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. Basto

    Basto Powers

    These interpretations in the English-speaking world that suggest two papal characters in the revealed part of the Secret of Fátima result from a mistranslation of Sr. Lúcia's manuscript as I explained here:
    https://motheofgod.com/threads/pole-shift-solar-micronova.19938/page-3#post-440195
     
  2. AED

    AED Powers

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  3. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Thanks, Basto, nuances can get lost in translation. I take your point that the word is perhaps best described as a 'pre-sentiment'. I returned to Fr. Z's article to reread it. I still thinks he has a point about the mirror. Why did Lucia use this word? It strongly suggests not one, but two images, otherwise why not simply describe the vision of a pope, without confusing the issue with talk of a 'mirror'? Father Z also has a point when he asks for Our Lady's explanation, something she provided for both of the other secrets.
     
  4. Basto

    Basto Powers

    He is not the first author to make this wrong interpretation, others have already done so. I've heard it from someone in the Fatima Center conference videos, I think it was John Salza but I'm not sure...

    After reading all of Sr. Lúcia's documents, memoirs, letters, etc., we became accustomed to her narrative speech, which is very objective, clear and factual, without ambiguities. And in this sense, this type of interpretation of her writings, although made in charity, is somewhat abusive.

    I'm not saying that Sr. Lúcia didn't write something in some lesser-known part of the secret about two Popes, it's quite likely that she did, but not in the documents that are public today. The text of the Secret of Fátima that the Vatican published is easy to read and refers to a single character called the "Holy Father" in capital letters. The figure of the mirror is often used in common language to express clarity, sharpness or the absence of doubts about something.
     
  5. 1 Corinthians 13:12

    12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood.
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    I think perhaps this is all Lucia is referring to when she says " And we saw in an immense light that is God: something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it,” a bishop dressed in white. “We had the impression that it was the Holy Father.”
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    The Catholic Church has always counseled that apparitions, even approved apparitions like Fatima, have an element of the perception of the recipient affecting how the apparition is perceived and related by the seer. As St. John of the Cross and St Paul explain, we are not God and we can not perceive and/or relate perfectly clearly the things of God.

    Seeing an image in a mirror is a very good analogy for how one perceives the things God presents to us...
    Here is an explanation from EWTN:

    Apparitions
    An apparition, however, is a charismatic gift granted by God for some greater purpose of His than the benefit of the one receiving it. It says nothing necessary about the sanctity of the recipient(s); although God usually chooses simple and good Christians, often children, who will readily accept and do His Will. Generally, it can be understood as an external vision, created by some means of God, to represent the holy person depicted. It would not necessarily have to be the person him or herself. Only Christ and Our Lady (possibly St. Joseph, according to St. Francis de Sales and others who hold that he was taken to heaven body and soul), could actually appear in their bodies. All others, and even they, could appear by some representation accessible to the human senses. In such a way God appeared by means of angels to Abraham and to Moses.
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    The vision of the Bishop in White is an image, just as a reflection in a mirror is an image of the person, not the person himself. I think that is what Lucia was refering to..
     
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  6. DeGaulle

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    Thanks, Basto, for clearing this up in my head. I now see the reason for the mirror image as non sum dignus describes it, in other words as 'through a glass darkly'.

    I suppose Fr Z's interpretation can be taken in the context of our recent concurrent two popes as being an example of 'confirmation bias'.

    I stupidly fell for it. I console myself that stupidity might save countless souls from their errors. As Our Lord said, at the apotheosis of His agony on the Cross, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do".
     
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  7. Pax Prima

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  8. AED

    AED Powers

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  9. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    It's really "strange" that right-wing politicians who stand for the truth about covid, against migration, for the truth about money laundering in Ukraine are assassinated... The media put a target on his forehead, then you know he was good.

    Assassins are always "weirdos" like Oswald who fired 3 perfect shots at JFK with 8 seconds accuracy and another shot had a weird trajectory. the best snipers failed to fire 2 rounds in that time and the one that did was completely inaccurate. Even then, they killed Oswald and the brother of JFK, all in front of the cameras.

    Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was recently assassinated. This was the explanation of the killer who "made" the gun himself.

    Yamagami said he had nothing against Abe's political beliefs, Yamagami killed Abe because he believed the former prime minister was spreading religion in Japan.

    By the way, in Japan, Christianity is at 1%, and the two cities on which the American government dropped atomic bombs, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, were centers of Christianity since the 16th century. Over 2/3 of Christians in the country were killed. Otherwise, those cities were not primary, nor strategic, but supposedly "bad weather" changed the plans.


    It is interesting how good and Christians always "accidentally" suffer.
     
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  10. Pax Prima

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    The weirdest part about those two cities getting bombed, was that a Catholic priest blessed the soldiers before they dropped them, full well knowing what was going to happen. It was also a Catholic pilot who dropped the bombs.
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/nonviolence/blessing-the-bombs

    Servant of God Takashi Negai believed it was the Holocaust of the Catholics in Japan that stopped the war.
     
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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The history of the world is really all about the attack on Christ. Little else.
     
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  12. Pax Prima

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  13. AED

    AED Powers

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  14. DeGaulle

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  15. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    OUT OF TROOPS
    Ukraine warns it has no more reserves as Putin masses half a MILLION fighters on frontline in pivotal moment for West
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27920637/ukraine-reserves-kharkhiv-assault/


    Fatima prophecy unfolding. Everyone has recently seen western politicians suggesting conscription and boots on the ground in Ukraine over the last month. Now we have confirmation as to why.
     
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  16. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    The most interesting thing to me is that two monasteries survived in the very center of both cities.

    One was 1,300 meters from the explosion, one of the few buildings left. The Jesuits survived, the most famous was Hubert Schiffer, and they went out and helped the victims. They survived over 35 years after the explosion and were examined by numerous experts. Even if it were rationally explained that they survived the initial explosion that killed 86% within a few kilometers, no one could explain that they had no radiation effects so many years later, and they were examined by over 200 experts and scientists.
    When Father Shiffer was asked for an explanation, he said:
    "We were living the message of Fatima and we prayed the Rosary every day,"
     
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  17. padraig

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    One of the most corrupt nations on the entire planet, is about to be beaten by another corrupt country Russia.

    Looking on and supporting Ukraine is possibly the most corrupt, evil and dissolute combination of Nations that ever existed on planet Earth NATO, the EU and the USA promising to help them.

    Well I don't support evil so I don't support any of them.

    How about that?
    Evil invading that which is evil , the evil that is being invaded backed by a bunch of other evil nations.
    I care. But why would I think there is anything good about any of this?

    There are very good Christians in all these countries. But they have no say in what's going on.

    Just very bad people doing very bad things.
     
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  18. Pax Prima

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    I hate this too. I hate what has become of the world. Everything we have been given is a gift. Our lives, our goods, our families, our neighbors, our lands, our bodies... all of it. But for some reason humanity isn't generous with each other or God. Personally, I am only looking at this from a prophecy view point. We have the collective aggregate of sin to the point where the cup is overflowing. So now we get war because all war stems from sin. The main reason I keep track of this though is because I am looking forward to the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady.
     
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  19. DeGaulle

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    Russia has demolished NATO, but for myself, when I think of the 'evil empire', the first thing that comes to my mind is not the Russian one. At least Russia fights its own fights, instead of getting other people to do its dying for it. Russia is not the empire that's facilitating genocide in another theatre.
     
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  20. DeGaulle

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    I recently read that the most men on the ground that NATO could muster, if everything went perfectly well, is 100,000. Russia has just wiped the floor with a battle-hardened Ukrainian army of 600,000-700,000 fighting on its own territory, in the process demonstrating the combat inadequacy of Western weaponry. Blinken told Zelensky this week that Russia 'would have to pay' for the reconstruction of the Ukraine. As the West is hardly in a position to make Russia do anything, the logical interpretation is that Russia is going to occupy some or all of the Ukraine, leaving it the only entity likely to rebuild this territory.
     
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